Trading Prismall..

[SirRooke]

My apologies I meant Kelly. Corey would prob be third for clearances behind Ablett and Bartel.
But yes, thats what I was getting at - There are inside midfielders and outside midfielders. Prismall does not get many clearances as I think he is an outside midfielder. That is not to say he is soft at a contest... Ablett, Bartel etc are better suited to be under the packs and win the ball while Prismall waits to recieve. You need players you can dish off to once getting the ball who can use it well such as Prismall/Kelly ().

Kelly is great at winning the hard ball.

In fact I remember Kelly getting repeatedly benched or dropped back to the 2nds until he added hard ball gets to his game. Thompson bagged him in the media a few times about it. Now he is great but as for Prismall I don't see a hard edge to his game at all.

Every Geelong player has it, even Varcoe is getting better at it (relative to where he was in the toughness stakes when he started) but Prismall sits at the back of packs or as a link man too much for my liking. He doesn't need to end up as a kamikaze like Rookey but he has to add the 1%ers to his game first, the way that Corey and Kelly did, before I will be convinced we shouldn't capitalise on his overrated currency and trade him... I just don't think Geelong needs outside mids.. i'd rather 22 players with a brutal passion for crashing through anything in their path to get to the ball which is what we have now... it is why we are so good and why we are rarely beaten..

 

[gwAllan]

Corey doesn't win the ball in the packs? I don't have the stats at hand, but I'd say he'd be nearly leading clearances for us. We have few, if any, outside midfielders in the team, as generally our backmen and forwards perform those tasks (Enright, Mackie, Milburn, Wojcinski, Hunt, Stokes).

Clearances per game...

Ablett, G 5.08
Corey, J 4.07
Selwood, J 3.46
Bartel, J 3.00
Kelly, J 2.57
Chapman, P 2.33
Ottens, B 1.80
Ling, C 1.71
Enright, C 1.64
Johnson, S 1.50
Mumford, S 1.33
Varcoe, T 1.33
Rooke, M 1.30
Blake, M 1.00
Byrnes, S 1.00
Wojcinski, D 0.92
Stokes, M 0.83
Prismall, B 0.75
Hunt, J 0.50
Milburn, D 0.50
Hawkins, T 0.40
Mackie, A 0.36
West, T 0.33
Mooney, C 0.31
Taylor, H 0.30
Gamble, R 0.29
Harley, T 0.21
Lonergan, T 0.20
Scarlett, M 0.08
Tenace, K 0.00

 

[cats2rise]

Kelly is great at winning the hard ball.

In fact I remember Kelly getting repeatedly benched or dropped back to the 2nds until he added hard ball gets to his game. Thompson bagged him in the media a few times about it. Now he is great but as for Prismall I don't see a hard edge to his game at all.

I am talking about clearances, not the hard ball. Kelly does not get the clearances like Prismall.. Thats why I was making the comparison mate. Prismall however stated after a game two/three weeks ago that he knew he needed to add 'more strings to the bow' and I am sure thats what he is trying to improve in. Whether that is at Geelong or another club.. I guess we will see.

But yes, his overrated currency is a plus for us (if other AFL teams will be offering the likes of what BigFooty posters would want/offer,)

 

[thejester]

I am talking about clearances, not the hard ball. Kelly does not get the clearances like Prismall.. Thats why I was making the comparison mate. Prismall however stated after a game two/three weeks ago that he knew he needed to add 'more strings to the bow' and I am sure thats what he is trying to improve in. Whether that is at Geelong or another club.. I guess we will see.

But yes, his overrated currency is a plus for us (if other AFL teams will be offering the likes of what BigFooty posters would want/offer,)

Um...did you see the list above? Kelly is averaging nearlly three and a half times the clearances of Prismall.

 

[cats2rise]

Yes, but I wouldnt call Kelly a clearance player, would you?

 

[davey_magik]

You might not but your club does, Moloney was no more highly rated than Prissa is now and you gave us pick 12 for him.

I seriously doubt we'd do it again. Thankfully pick 12 turned out to be Danny Meyer who has been average.

You guys are kidding if you think you'll get a 1st rounder for him. It would be idiotic to give that for a player with 17 games who has been solid but hasn't exactly starred.

I see he still has a year left on his contract, but with the way your midfield is going it doesn't look like he'll get a regular gig in there for some time and surely he wants consistent AFL footy by now.

I have seen how highly some people on this board rate Prismall, but the bottom line is unless you are trading with Freo no club will give you a 1st rounder for him.

 

[cat_fanatic]

Yes, but I wouldnt call Kelly a clearance player, would you?

Even our outside players have an inside game when required; i wouldn't read into those stats. Kelly is a great outside player with a massive defensive side that makes him look like an inside mid - he occasionally gets the odd clearance but C2R is correct.

 

[cat_fanatic]

I seriously doubt we'd do it again. Thankfully pick 12 turned out to be Danny Meyer who has been average.

You guys are kidding if you think you'll get a 1st rounder for him. It would be idiotic to give that for a player with 17 games who has been solid but hasn't exactly starred.

I see he still has a year left on his contract, but with the way your midfield is going it doesn't look like he'll get a regular gig in there for some time and surely he wants consistent AFL footy by now.

I have seen how highly some people on this board rate Prismall, but the bottom line is unless you are trading with Freo no club will give you a 1st rounder for him.

And a first round pick has starred, at AFL level?

Drafting and trading comes down to percentages; who will be the best for the longest. Why would you go for a player in the draft that is unproven and may turn out to be a dud over a young player that has shown he can handle AFL and perform well? I would draft pris with a first round pick if he was in the draft, so why would trading a first rounder be out of the question?

 

[thejester]

Yes, but I wouldnt call Kelly a clearance player, would you?

When he gets a chance, yes, actually. I've been impressed for a while with his ability in close.

And I don't agree with this outside/inside mid stuff. The reason we are the best team in the competition (well, one of them) is the efficiency of our ball use. All our inside mids can use it well (though there are differing standards in this). The Dogs have been succesful this year for the same reason - they've (finally) combined extraordinarily good disposal with the ability to win contested footy.

 

[table tennis]

And a first round pick has starred, at AFL level?

Drafting and trading comes down to percentages; who will be the best for the longest. Why would you go for a player in the draft that is unproven and may turn out to be a dud over a young player that has shown he can handle AFL and perform well? I would draft pris with a first round pick if he was in the draft, so why would trading a first rounder be out of the question?

Geelong are dreaming if they are thinking of a first round pick for him. A few reasons.

No one is going to give up first rounders for 21 year old players other than the top sides (that wouldnt need him) unless it was for a Judd etc.

Bottom sides are not going to give up first rounders because of the impending GC17 and West Sydney.

Geelong would settle on a second or 3rd Rounder, as Other clubs will throw $$$ and opportunities at him which he will be crazy not to take.

Geelong doesnt have the opportunities or $$$ in salary cap to compete.

Prismall will walk at the end of the year if he doesnt get a game. And who can blame him. Geelong would rather get something for him at the trade table, rather than watch him go to Melbourne, Freo or WCE for free in the Pre-Season Draft.

Collingwood, Sydney, Essendon, Melbourne, Freo, WCE & Richmond will all be looking at him. All have room for him in the side and in the cap......

Geelong fans, unless a cruel injury to your many A graders, Prismall will be at an opposition camp next year.

 

[geelong16]

What would it take to get this guy at Melbourne??

Seriously, I heard SEN talking bout him being a target, and is really exactly what Melbourne needs, a ball magnet with some poise..next to a Key forward..

You cant keep all these players, eventually some will go to get a go at anyother club and make a career move..

Bear in mind, we are really not going to part lightly with draft picks, so dont go asking for pick 1 or 2...

What do you guys think it would take??

Maybe an older player to add some more cream, not that you really need it..

A young player..

What about Prismall for Bruce??? he'd star in your side, can play anywhere..

What about our priority pick 17 or 18??

Prismal for Bruce, nah no way, no way we are going to take one of your players, draft picks only. Bruce wouldnt fit into our side honestly, a nice draft pick would do well though.

 

[themuddy#3]

just putting it out there, but is there a better 17 game player in the competition than prismall?

cant be many, priddis might have an edge on him, but he must be the most underused player in the comp

 

[a.f.k.a.y.o.p.]

Just putting it out there?
Roll on the Prismall "love in"..............

 

[forrrestGump]

Geelong are dreaming if they are thinking of a first round pick for him. A few reasons.

No one is going to give up first rounders for 21 year old players other than the top sides (that wouldnt need him) unless it was for a Judd etc.

Bottom sides are not going to give up first rounders because of the impending GC17 and West Sydney.

Geelong would settle on a second or 3rd Rounder, as Other clubs will throw $$$ and opportunities at him which he will be crazy not to take.

Geelong doesnt have the opportunities or $$$ in salary cap to compete.

Prismall will walk at the end of the year if he doesnt get a game. And who can blame him. Geelong would rather get something for him at the trade table, rather than watch him go to Melbourne, Freo or WCE for free in the Pre-Season Draft.

Collingwood, Sydney, Essendon, Melbourne, Freo, WCE & Richmond will all be looking at him. All have room for him in the side and in the cap......

Geelong fans, unless a cruel injury to your many A graders, Prismall will be at an opposition camp next year.

considering he is under contract
he will go when told, not the other way

there are enough problems in ALBINO park for you to sort out, leave these to cook & co

 

[cat_fanatic]

Geelong are dreaming if they are thinking of a first round pick for him. A few reasons.

No one is going to give up first rounders for 21 year old players other than the top sides (that wouldnt need him) unless it was for a Judd etc.

Bottom sides are not going to give up first rounders because of the impending GC17 and West Sydney.

Geelong would settle on a second or 3rd Rounder, as Other clubs will throw $$$ and opportunities at him which he will be crazy not to take.

Geelong doesnt have the opportunities or $$$ in salary cap to compete.

Prismall will walk at the end of the year if he doesnt get a game. And who can blame him. Geelong would rather get something for him at the trade table, rather than watch him go to Melbourne, Freo or WCE for free in the Pre-Season Draft.

Collingwood, Sydney, Essendon, Melbourne, Freo, WCE & Richmond will all be looking at him. All have room for him in the side and in the cap......

Geelong fans, unless a cruel injury to your many A graders, Prismall will be at an opposition camp next year.

He is under contract until the end of next year mate (would have thought you'd know that).

What do players in the first round in this years draft have that Prismall doesn't?

I think all the teams you have mentioned would be crazy not to go for him rather than a draft pick because he has already spent time in the system, is ready made and has shown huge potential.

People are talking up first round draft picks like they are some sort of assurance to future success - look at St. Kilda; heaps of good picks but a mediocre team.

Also, on top of the fact that he is contracted, there will be at least ten clubs in line to try and secure Pris in this years trade week if he wants to leave. We are holding all the cards and wont be giving him up for anything less than a first round pick. He'd be a great fit for the bombers, you need a mid with some skill... perhaps your first rounder for Pris and our first rounder would do the trick?

 

[cats2rise]

The reason we are the best team in the competition (well, one of them) is the efficiency of our ball use.

Don't be modest.. We are the best.

 

[catempire]

I was under the impression Prismall's contract expires at the end of this season...

 

[cat_fanatic]

I was under the impression Prismall's contract expires at the end of this season...

That's actually what i thought, but i have read in a few different places that he signed a two year deal that ends next year.

 

[thejester]

Don't be modest.. We are the best.

I meant one of the reasons we are the best

 

[Barrystoneham]

Geelong are dreaming if they are thinking of a first round pick for him. A few reasons.

No one is going to give up first rounders for 21 year old players other than the top sides (that wouldnt need him) unless it was for a Judd etc.

Bottom sides are not going to give up first rounders because of the impending GC17 and West Sydney.

Geelong would settle on a second or 3rd Rounder, as Other clubs will throw $$$ and opportunities at him which he will be crazy not to take.

Geelong doesnt have the opportunities or $$$ in salary cap to compete.

Prismall will walk at the end of the year if he doesnt get a game. And who can blame him. Geelong would rather get something for him at the trade table, rather than watch him go to Melbourne, Freo or WCE for free in the Pre-Season Draft.

Collingwood, Sydney, Essendon, Melbourne, Freo, WCE & Richmond will all be looking at him. All have room for him in the side and in the cap......

Geelong fans, unless a cruel injury to your many A graders, Prismall will be at an opposition camp next year.

Are you trying to say 21 is too old for a team like Melbourne, because if you are that would be one of the silliest things i have ever read. People have an idea that draft picks will be definite stars, but none of them are ever sure things whereas Prismall has played a few very good games at AFL level and i would have thought has proven he could be very good.

 

[table tennis]

He is under contract until the end of next year mate (would have thought you'd know that).

What do players in the first round in this years draft have that Prismall doesn't?

I think all the teams you have mentioned would be crazy not to go for him rather than a draft pick because he has already spent time in the system, is ready made and has shown huge potential.

People are talking up first round draft picks like they are some sort of assurance to future success - look at St. Kilda; heaps of good picks but a mediocre team.

Also, on top of the fact that he is contracted, there will be at least ten clubs in line to try and secure Pris in this years trade week if he wants to leave. We are holding all the cards and wont be giving him up for anything less than a first round pick. He'd be a great fit for the bombers, you need a mid with some skill... perhaps your first rounder for Pris and our first rounder would do the trick?

Contracts can be broken........

If geelong doesnt do him any favours, then why would he do them any favours.

Geelong wont want to keep a player that doesnt want to be there. they will be happy to offload him, As previously stated.

Why would they want to fork out big dollars for someone that has only played 17 games at the club.

He will get the money, the opportunities presented to him, and geelong will cut him a deal, will be worth to both sides.

He does have a current deal that goes next year.

22 by the time he would pull on a Demons jumper.

NO SIDE DOWN THE VERY BOTTOM WILL LOOK FOR MATURE AGE PLAYERS - MARK THIS DOWN.

Draft picks this year are more vital than ever. Melbourne especially would have learnt from Brent Maloney. (he was a ready made player too.......)

Melbourne will get the pick of the bunch. So they will get two good players. and by the time they even think of Pris, it will be the third round of the draft.

I hope for his sake that he doesnt end up at Melbourne, as the club is in turmoil and he deserves better than that.

 

[cat_fanatic]

Contracts can be broken........

If geelong doesnt do him any favours, then why would he do them any favours.

Geelong wont want to keep a player that doesnt want to be there. they will be happy to offload him, As previously stated.

Why would they want to fork out big dollars for someone that has only played 17 games at the club.

He will get the money, the opportunities presented to him, and geelong will cut him a deal, will be worth to both sides.

He does have a current deal that goes next year.

22 by the time he would pull on a Demons jumper.

NO SIDE DOWN THE VERY BOTTOM WILL LOOK FOR MATURE AGE PLAYERS - MARK THIS DOWN.

Draft picks this year are more vital than ever. Melbourne especially would have learnt from Brent Maloney. (he was a ready made player too.......)

Melbourne will get the pick of the bunch. So they will get two good players. and by the time they even think of Pris, it will be the third round of the draft.

I hope for his sake that he doesnt end up at Melbourne, as the club is in turmoil and he deserves better than that.

MARKED!

Except of course that a mature age player would generally be considered as someone 26 years old and over. Again, you fail to acknowledge the fact that trading for Prismall is a better percentage option than drafting a youngin. Prismall will be, at worst, a solid midfielder for the next ten years, whereas the future of an 18 year old draft pick can be speculated only.

Moloney is a great player. He was the only decent player when we played them last year - kicked three goals playing in the midfield. He has just been hammered by injury so to say Melbourne would have "learnt from Moloney" for the reasons your suggesting is wrong.

 

[TheTimeCometh]

er, wasn't h.taylor considered mature aged?

 

[TheTimeCometh]

this ones goes out to the messiah...

You drove me crazy but I don't know baby
You're thinking that it's me you're fooling
Where's the right in, all of our fighting?
Look at what you're doing
Where's the love
It's not enough
It makes the world go 'round and 'round and...
Where's the love
Give it up
It makes the world go 'round and 'round and 'round

 

[Pivo]

er, wasn't h.taylor considered mature aged?

I'd say yes - as were Egan and Stokes. They turned out to be "alright" players