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[KinderSmock]

Best 22 for 2023:

FB: Howe, Frampton, Quaynor
HB: Hoskin-Elliott, Moore, Maynard
C: J. Daicos, Crisp, Sidebottom
HF: Elliott, Mihocek, Lipinski
FF: Hill, McStay, Ginnivan
FOL: Cameron, Mitchell, De Goey
INT: N. Daicos, Pendlebury, Adams, McCreery
SUB: Carmichael

 

[jonbe54]

I get the two way running thing, and clearly he's athletic (but that alone doesn't make him a good footballer) I'm not a hater - I do admit that I struggle to appreciate his value to the team - my frustration with him is that he's so often a nearly player: nearly takes the floating mark in front or goal, nearly makes the spoil in the defensive goal square - I appreciate those posters who point out the things he does on the field as I must admit, some of it is lost on me.

If a player makes an opposition player cover huge kilometres that is a contribution - not sure of where it fits exactly in the game plan but he has been a regular under two administrations.
He is appreciated for his efforts by people who see a lot more than fans do.
Not everyone can be a Nick or even a Tay but many can play a role and if the coaching staff deem that role fulfilled then who am I to deny it.

 

[RobJD]

If a player makes an opposition player cover huge kilometres that is a contribution - not sure of where it fits exactly in the game plan but he has been a regular under two administrations.
He is appreciated for his efforts by people who see a lot more than fans do.
Not everyone can be a Nick or even a Tay but many can play a role and if the coaching staff deem that role fulfilled then who am I to deny it.

Cool, so he basically runs away from the ball to prevent his opponent from running to it - any wonder I don't notice what he does.

 

[jonbe54]

Cool, so he basically runs away from the ball to prevent his opponent from running to it - any wonder I don't notice what he does.

Happens in every single game in every side it's called running patterns and you aren't supposed to notice it - the opposition is supposed to notice it.

I'm not saying it's effective or ineffective but the coaches are so there you have it.

In today's football EVERY player must be accounted for and how that is achieved is for the coaching panel to instigate and judge not a bunch of armchair critics like us.

 

[RobJD]

Happens in every single game in every side it's called running patterns and you aren't supposed to notice it - the opposition is supposed to notice it.

I'm not saying it's effective or ineffective but the coaches are so there you have it.

In today's football EVERY player must be accounted for and how that is achieved is for the coaching panel to instigate and judge not a bunch of armchair critics like us.

I'm not criticizing or judging - just learning. I sought an understanding into why I didn't appreciate the WHE role and I've got it - thanks to those who responded.

 

[Buckleys_Chance]

I get the two way running thing, and clearly he's athletic (but that alone doesn't make him a good footballer) I'm not a hater - I do admit that I struggle to appreciate his value to the team - my frustration with him is that he's so often a nearly player: nearly takes the floating mark in front or goal, nearly makes the spoil in the defensive goal square - I appreciate those posters who point out the things he does on the field as I must admit, some of it is lost on me.

I must admit there were periods last year where I wondered how WHE got games throughout 2022 but on reflection I think its his versatility that makes him unique and a piece that can be moved to most parts of the ground. He can play tall contesting for marks in the back half but also has the wheels and goal sense to be dangerous in the forward half. Clearly the coaching staff value him that more than I do, but I’ll defer obviously to them.


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[Wearmouth]

My facts were better


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Let’s stop the malarkey. WHE got his 24/25 games because there were way more holes to fill last season than we had top end talent. FFS Bianco was getting consistent games in the AFL team. So it leads to the thought that WHE was a shoe in under those circumstances.

However, the Coaches have seen the need to bring in players and depth that will inevitably see the back end of players of the ilk of WHE. Just as Thomas and Mayne were sent on their way, WHE is in the bottom 2 or 3 of our best 22 and sits more in that 22-30 range of players. With a downward spiral. Yes he can fill roles over the year if their are injuries and players needing a rest. A good bit part player.

So unfortunately for all the WHE love festers, if we are to succeed to the ultimate prize this year. WHE will need to only play up to 5 games this year. As that would mean we have had a quantum shift forward on all our lines and others have taken the roles. And that’s our best outcome.


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[Kappa]

I must admit there were periods last year where I wondered how WHE got games throughout 2022 but on reflection I think its his versatility that makes him unique and a piece that can be moved to most parts of the ground. He can play tall contesting for marks in the back half but also has the wheels and goal sense to be dangerous in the forward half. Clearly the coaching staff value him that more than I do, but I’ll defer obviously to them.


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He's bottom 5 picked every week but there was never serious young talent to replace him. His only real competition was people like Bianco Poulter Macrae ect who didnt set the world on fire.

 

[jonbe54]

I'm not criticizing or judging - just learning. I sought an understanding into why I didn't appreciate the WHE role and I've got it - thanks to those who responded.

Welcome Rob doubt we ever find out the reasoning behind strategy and team selection but it's interesting to speculate.

 

[Daicos Torpedo]

I just got a cramp in my calf from the 3rd glass of wine...
If you want to talk about running patterns...

 

[JuniorB]

I just got a cramp in my calf from the 3rd glass of wine...
If you want to talk about running patterns...

Why are you running with a glass of wine?
It could lead to disaster.
You might spill some.

 

[Copeland]

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Who’s that with Cameron and the next two?

 

[sideswipe]

Let’s stop the malarkey. WHE got his 24/25 games because there were way more holes to fill last season than we had top end talent. FFS Bianco was getting consistent games in the AFL team. So it leads to the thought that WHE was a shoe in under those circumstances.

However, the Coaches have seen the need to bring in players and depth that will inevitably see the back end of players of the ilk of WHE. Just as Thomas and Mayne were sent on their way, WHE is in the bottom 2 or 3 of our best 22 and sits more in that 22-30 range of players. With a downward spiral. Yes he can fill roles over the year if their are injuries and players needing a rest. A good bit part player.

So unfortunately for all the WHE love festers, if we are to succeed to the ultimate prize this year. WHE will need to only play up to 5 games this year. As that would mean we have had a quantum shift forward on all our lines and others have taken the roles. And that’s our best outcome.


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Come back to me at the end of this season Ron. Did you play much footy?


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[noideaatall]

Let’s stop the malarkey. WHE got his 24/25 games because there were way more holes to fill last season than we had top end talent. FFS Bianco was getting consistent games in the AFL team. So it leads to the thought that WHE was a shoe in under those circumstances.

However, the Coaches have seen the need to bring in players and depth that will inevitably see the back end of players of the ilk of WHE. Just as Thomas and Mayne were sent on their way, WHE is in the bottom 2 or 3 of our best 22 and sits more in that 22-30 range of players. With a downward spiral. Yes he can fill roles over the year if their are injuries and players needing a rest. A good bit part player.

So unfortunately for all the WHE love festers, if we are to succeed to the ultimate prize this year. WHE will need to only play up to 5 games this year. As that would mean we have had a quantum shift forward on all our lines and others have taken the roles. And that’s our best outcome.


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You tell 'em. Nothing worse than supporters viewing players through rose colored glasses. We made it to top three with WHE certainly not the last picked, no way we can win a gf with him in the team though

 

[Jen2310]

Who’s that with Cameron and the next two?

Draper

 

[neilk]

Has great skills, would be good if we could get him more ball. Coaches call though, part of it will be development.

WHE is one of our best marks, pound for pound, probably behind only Howe and maybe Jamie. Did I forget anyone? Probably.

 

[vinnievavoom]

WHE is one of our best marks, pound for pound, probably behind only Howe and maybe Jamie. Did I forget anyone? Probably.

Moore?

 

[Jen2310]

anyone live near Geelong? They are doing match sim @ 10am at Deakin Uni

 

[P Dazza]

anyone live near Geelong? They are doing match sim @ 10am at Deakin Uni

Ur a legend Jen, much appreciated

 

[Wearmouth]

Come back to me at the end of this season Ron. Did you play much footy?


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Not really…….

Growing up in Australia, We never got exposed to playing sport…….

And, the climate wasn’t really conducive to it.


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[Scodog10]

Truth lies in the middle on WHE, IMO.

He’s played regular senior footy for a long time now and is experienced which means that he’s going to execute the instructions of the coach more often than not. The catch is his output has been on a slow decline over the past few years which triggers calls for him to be outside our best 22. I get those calls, but while we’re winning you back the coach in.

At some point over the next two years that decline will reach a tipping point that coincides with guys underneath lifting their game and building enough experience to take his role from him. My guess is that tipping point has been reached (or is very close) in the high half forward role with the addition of Hill, progression of Carmichael and belief in McInnes (which isn’t justified just yet IMO) hence a potential switch to the HBF where Howe could be lost at any moment (at 33 in June any injury could spell trouble). If he can execute the coaching group’s instructions he’ll be safe in that role until it clicks for the likes of Ruscoe and Ryan.

 

[Wearmouth]

You tell 'em. Nothing worse than supporters viewing players through rose colored glasses. We made it to top three with WHE certainly not the last picked, no way we can win a gf with him in the team though

Well we already tried it in 2018. You can’t take too many NQR players into a GF and expect a good outcome.

And instead of treating the deficiencies. We kept on going forward with the like. Eventually costing Buckley his job.

Even last season……We are all ecstatic about the season we had. I won’t take that away from anything. But our finals games showed exactly why we miss out on the big prize. Not from a lack of endeavor. Just from a lack of quality on the park. The new coaching team have seen the problems and have gone a long way to rectify them. Not totally….baby steps.

I have no hatred for WHE. He is just not someone I’d pick on a regular basis. He has his positives. But they are outweighed by his glaring deficiencies for me. Especially coming into this season. I can see guys like Carmichael and Ryan and others, going past him quickly this year. At a rate of knots. And there are only 22/23 spots to play. And with Mitchell, McStay, Frampton and possibly Hill coming in. Someone must give way. And all I see him as is a bit part player this year.

I’m looking forward to the year ahead. My expectations are tempered though. As each new season brings with it it’s own new challenges. The past only serves to learn from and be nostalgic.

I’d gladly eat humble Pie if WHE is walking around the G, late September, carrying the Premiership Cup with a medal around his neck.


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[cityslick1]

I get the two way running thing, and clearly he's athletic (but that alone doesn't make him a good footballer) I'm not a hater - I do admit that I struggle to appreciate his value to the team - my frustration with him is that he's so often a nearly player: nearly takes the floating mark in front or goal, nearly makes the spoil in the defensive goal square - I appreciate those posters who point out the things he does on the field as I must admit, some of it is lost on me.

This.
Im also not a hater, I just want our side to dominate, with no weaknesses in any position. And this is an area we can improve in.
Imo Will has only retained his first 22 position in recent years due to lack of depth… which we now have. Evidenced by his average stats and BnF results.
And I’m sure the hope was for someone like T Brown to force players like this out of the side by now… but his skills and smarts just didn’t progress enough.
Someone like Holmes from Geelong was already a better player than Will in his second season, in the same position. And we need to find / develop / introduce the same type of player.

Yep, he runs all day and is quick and a reliable kick, plus a good mark.
But… what good is running all day if you don’t get the pill OR apply high levels of defensive pressure? Unless his job is to play decoy the whole game. Which I’m sure it isn’t.
That, I’m afraid, is a low impact player. And i guarantee he’ll still only get 15 touches when he goes back to VFL, for people to only then realise that the excuses don’t hold up.

No player is soft, that is true, but there are varying levels of hardness, and Will is towards the bottom. He lacks confidence (handpass in goal square, drops marks) and just can’t stick tackles, or apply physical pressure, so doesn’t make us a stronger or high pressure team. And pressure is what’s it’s all about in the big games…
Love it when he takes a mark and kicks a classy goal, but I love the broad amount of skills that Carmy brings to the table, and the pressure / impact of McCreery even more. And even the potential of Richards and Harrison in the short term… think they will surprise white a few this year and demand selection

 

[cityslick1]

Best 22 for 2023:

FB: Howe, Frampton, Quaynor
HB: Hoskin-Elliott, Moore, Maynard
C: J. Daicos, Crisp, Sidebottom
HF: Elliott, Mihocek, Lipinski
FF: Hill, McStay, Ginnivan
FOL: Cameron, Mitchell, De Goey
INT: N. Daicos, Pendlebury, Adams, McCreery
SUB: Carmichael

Good, but Noble won’t make way for WHE. His contested possessions and ability to clean up in the backline are underrated. The closest thing we have to a Heath replacement in this regard…

 

[jonbe54]

Good, but Noble won’t make way for WHE. His contested possessions and ability to clean up in the backline are underrated. The closest thing we have to a Heath replacement in this regard…

Agreed on Nobes some people can't let go of his early career performances.