God forbid someone making a thread about an incident during a game...
Triple MMM Commentary - The Ballantyne decision
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God forbid someone making a thread about an incident during a game...
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Can't believe the crap written by the majority of u guys. Ballantyne done nothing wrong in that whole 1st quarter. Was playing on the edge. Bumping into players @ stoppages is not dirty. He was getting under the skin. It is a contest, footy getting to soft. The umpires should umpire it as they see it. Not go out looking for stuff that's not there.
Then sweet Jesus, why oh why are so many freo supporters acting like this umpiring only came into existence with this one incident last week?
It was there when you started watching the game, and surprise, surprise, it still is.
Im struggling most of all to see how any rational human being can suggest that they can actually tell what happened judging from that replay. Does the OP have super powers?
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We know it's been in existence for years, the problem is it shouldn't be. This is the first evidence of umpires being directed to pay frees against certain Freo players. His hit off the ball was less worse than Pyke cleaning up Fyfe, or the Eagles player tackling the North player on the mark by the head on Saturday night. Neither of the latter were paid, it was against Ballantyne, because the umpires are instructed to pay frees against him.
How is this equitable? Ballantyne gets frees paid against him, perpetuating that he is a niggling dirty player, thereby getting more frees paid against him. Meanwhile other players whack blokes and get away with it, because they don't have the reputation.
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With three umpires and 36 players on a huge field they simply can’t see everything, so it’s policed like anything is – focus on where there’s most likely to be trouble in the hope of preventing it.
2am next Sunday – where will the cops be watching hardest? King Street, or a quiet suburban cul-de-sac in Toorak?
Ballantyne for his part was more than happy to oblige them.
I expect they’d lose interest pretty quickly if he was able to refrain from niggling for say, the first 10 or 15 minutes. But he can’t.
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Some Dockers (and all the others on the Stevic bandwagon) here need to build a bridge. Seriously, its really starting to come across as pretty pathetic.
Huff and puff after the game, fine, we all do it, adrenaline is running. But 3 or 4 days later? Thats some serious issues.
Im a big fan of Balla, I like the players who are expert shit-stirrers, but unfortunately scrutiny comes with the territory. It is what it is.
How do we know exactly what he did in this instance though? If the footage was there, you could hang the ump out to dry on this.
Franklin was umpired terribly at Hawthorn, no one said boo from other clubs.
It's not great in professional sport, but human beings tend to naturally treat everyone differently. I don't believe there would be a Ballantine directive, but he would certainly garner the wrong attention I'd say.
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Watch the start of the game and Ballantine was making an aggro little pest of himself from the very start. You can understand why they were keeping a close eye on him. His MO is usually to try and antagonise opposition players into giving away a free.
Whilst I jumped up and down at the time, I can see that the decision is correct. He looked at and then ran directly at the Hawthorn player (Smith or Suckling ??). Even though it was not a hard bump and the "victim" put a fair bit of mayo on it, it was against the rules - too bad so sad for Ballantine got caught. Undisciplined.
The other umpire speaking in the audio would have been he emergency umpire sitting near the interchange, not some nuffie off the street sitting upstairs, as JB would like to think. That umpire would have been watching for off the ball incidents and would have seen Ballantine in action earlier in the game. As a result he would mention to the umpires on the field to keep an eye on him possibly infringing. Happens all the time and exactly what the other 2 umpires are supposed to be looking for.
Whilst I jumped up and down at the time, I can see that the decision is correct. He looked at and then ran directly at the Hawthorn player (Smith or Suckling ??). Even though it was not a hard bump and the "victim" put a fair bit of mayo on it, it was against the rules - too bad so sad for Ballantine got caught. Undisciplined.
The other umpire speaking in the audio would have been he emergency umpire sitting near the interchange, not some nuffie off the street sitting upstairs, as JB would like to think. That umpire would have been watching for off the ball incidents and would have seen Ballantine in action earlier in the game. As a result he would mention to the umpires on the field to keep an eye on him possibly infringing. Happens all the time and exactly what the other 2 umpires are supposed to be looking for.
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This is the shit that is annoying me about these threads. Momentum lol. The momentum changes 20 or 30 times a quarter and the Balla free was in the first quarter.
All you're doing is showing your inability to objectively look at football.
It's a final FFS. Umpiring should be minimal and a bit of physical stuff should be mandatory, not outlawed.
You clearly have NFI if you think "momentum changes 20 or 30 times a quarter".
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Umpiring shouldn't change regardless of weather it's finals or not.
Every game should be umpired that way.
This is very simple. Rule 15.4.5 states that "A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player where they are satisfied that the Player has made Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player. A Player makes Prohibited Contact with an opposition Player if the Player:
(e) pushes, bumps, holds or blocks an opposition Player when the football is further than 5 metres away from the opposition Player or is out of play;".
Easy call for the umpire and 100% right. Players away from the ball should be permitted to move freely around the ground.
(e) pushes, bumps, holds or blocks an opposition Player when the football is further than 5 metres away from the opposition Player or is out of play;".
Easy call for the umpire and 100% right. Players away from the ball should be permitted to move freely around the ground.
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Personally I think the word momentum is over used. It is a convenient way of using a debatable umpire decision as an excuse.
Every little contest can swing the game and therefore 'momentum'.
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What universe do you live in? There's absolutely no way it was a freekick. Just acknowledge that. Why are hawks supporters here defending the decision?most here agree that it did not affect the end result and hawks were the better side any way.
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Which is complete crap, because they never pay it against forwards who provide blocks for others to allow them an easier run to mark the ball inside 50. IT seems this rule is situational in it's interpretation rather than universally implemented.
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The AFL has said it was the correct decision. Twice.
Don't like it? then I suggest you go watch another sport with different rules.
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My issue is the treatment of Ballantyne full stop.
He has worked extremely hard in the last few years to cut out the crap that Harvey actively encouraged him to do.
While he always be antagonistic (you are allowed to sledge) he has cleaned his act up considerably in the last few years, especially when it comes to off the ball hits.
Yet the umpires continually treat him as though he slept with their mum and their sister.
I can probably stomach the questionable free kick on Friday as it was clumsy.
Though I am sure if the role was reversed Smith would have recieved a free kick for Ballantyne diving.
What really shits me though is the free kicks he misses.
Not just talking Friday night here but all season. The umpires seem to have a different set of laws for Hayden, The Ballantyne Rules.
I just wish our club would come out and say something like every other club does when they get shafted by the umps.
He has worked extremely hard in the last few years to cut out the crap that Harvey actively encouraged him to do.
While he always be antagonistic (you are allowed to sledge) he has cleaned his act up considerably in the last few years, especially when it comes to off the ball hits.
Yet the umpires continually treat him as though he slept with their mum and their sister.
I can probably stomach the questionable free kick on Friday as it was clumsy.
Though I am sure if the role was reversed Smith would have recieved a free kick for Ballantyne diving.
What really shits me though is the free kicks he misses.
Not just talking Friday night here but all season. The umpires seem to have a different set of laws for Hayden, The Ballantyne Rules.
I just wish our club would come out and say something like every other club does when they get shafted by the umps.
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like many rules in the AFL.
Just because other kids got away with stealing mars bars, doesn't mean you're allowed to steal mars bars does it?
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It is soft. But to the letter of the law. Would you rather umpires disregard the law or?
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Well they did with other decisions that night, so why not this one?
It was a free kick. Soft yeah but it's easy to knock someone over mid stride if they don't see or expect it.
Also what if Ballantyne received the ball since he didn't have a player near him and Fremantle were able to capitalise on that, get the ball down the other end and score a goal? Would that be fair when he illegal took out an opposition player?
Ballantyne should know better than to risk a reversal right in front of Hawthorn's goal.
Also what if Ballantyne received the ball since he didn't have a player near him and Fremantle were able to capitalise on that, get the ball down the other end and score a goal? Would that be fair when he illegal took out an opposition player?
Ballantyne should know better than to risk a reversal right in front of Hawthorn's goal.
