Trump - Harris Presidential Election 2024

[Antz]

Several posters here have expressed their doubt that Trump is a fascist, or that he represents a genuine threat to US democracy.

A number of popular comedians, such as Jon Stewart, promote the idea that Trump is just a moron, a ridiculous figure who poses no significant threat.

Likewise Walz referred to the Republican fascists - who follow Trump as if he were a cult figure - simply as "weird". When you refer to something as "weird", the connotation is bizarre, strange, but not dangerous.

However, anyone who listens to the content of Musk's recent interview with Trump on X, and thinks about it critically, will start to realise that Democrats and their media supporters are seeking to disarm the voting population about the genuine threat to democracy that Trump represents.

Fascist billionaires Trump and Musk express hatred of working class and fear of Marxism in interview on X

For over two hours, the two billionaires used the global communications platform to spread their neo-Nazi ideology and politics.

www.wsws.org

You're being brainwashed, mate. I'm a bit iffy about Trump, but I agree with most of his policies. Kamala will be a total disaster for the US and the world. She hasn't given one interview since she was nominated for the Presidency. We are in a lot of trouble if the Democrats remain in power.

 

[IlovethePies]

You're being brainwashed, mate. I'm a bit iffy about Trump, but I agree with most of his policies. Kamala will be a total disaster for the US and the world. She hasn't given one interview since she was nominated for the Presidency. We are in a lot of trouble if the Democrats remain in power.

We are in alot of trouble mate whoever wins the election.

(By the way, I'm not the one being brainwashed. )

 

[IlovethePies]

The Socialist Equality Party rejects the claim that the growth of the extreme right can be countered by supporting the Democratic Party. Even if Trump is defeated in the November election—and fails to carry out another coup d’état—the objective economic and social contradictions of American imperialism drive the ruling elites, with or without Trump, to dictatorship.

The 2024 US elections and the tasks of the Socialist Equality Party

We are publishing here the main resolution adopted by the Eighth National Congress of the Socialist Equality Party (US), held from August 4 to August 9, 2024.

www.wsws.org

 

[Antz]

We are in alot of trouble mate whoever wins the election.

(By the way, I'm not the one being brainwashed. )

Trump isn't a threat to democracy. He has a big mouth, which doesn't serve him well. If Kamala wins, which I think she will at this stage, we are in a lot of trouble.

 

[IlovethePies]

Trump isn't a threat to democracy. He has a big mouth, which doesn't serve him well. If Kamala wins, which I think she will at this stage, we are in a lot of trouble.

Well Antz,here is a summary of what Trump has said recently:

Trump has said that if he returns to power, he will act as a dictator on “day one,” and that if he is re-elected, “you won’t have to [vote] anymore.” He has placed at the center of his election campaign a fascistic attack on immigrants, who he has said are “poisoning the blood of our country,” a fascist phrase pulled directly from Hitler’s Mein Kampf. He has pledged to mobilize the National Guard to carry out mass arrests, build “vast holding facilities” to detain millions of immigrants, and end birthright citizenship, which would make tens of thousands of children born in the United States stateless people.

If you are open minded, you will click on the links I have posted above and read for yourself.

 

[IlovethePies]

He is a liar

With cognitive decline, and his aggressive traits, he could easily call upon violence if he loses again

If he wins, autocracy is a risk

I think the US holds, albeit hollowed, if he wins

Detest the clown

Yes, absolutely. If he wins, autocracy is a risk.
But even if he doesn't, it is still a risk.
He is a nonsensical clown
But behind the clown face, there is the face of fascism.

 

[Antz]

Well Antz,here is a summary of what Trump has said recently:

Trump has said that if he returns to power, he will act as a dictator on “day one,” and that if he is re-elected, “you won’t have to [vote] anymore.” He has placed at the center of his election campaign a fascistic attack on immigrants, who he has said are “poisoning the blood of our country,” a fascist phrase pulled directly from Hitler’s Mein Kampf. He has pledged to mobilize the National Guard to carry out mass arrests, build “vast holding facilities” to detain millions of immigrants, and end birthright citizenship, which would make tens of thousands of children born in the United States stateless people.

If you are open minded, you will click on the links I have posted above and read for yourself.

I hear you, but Trump's words are taken out of context. Don't believe everything you read. Trump clarified his statement, "You won't have to [vote] anymore." It was taken out of context. Do some more research.

 

[IlovethePies]

I hear you, but Trump's words are taken out of context. Don't believe everything you read. Trump clarified his statement, "You won't have to [vote] anymore." It was taken out of context. Do some more research.

He is a presidential candidate. Whatever the context, if he says: "You won't have to vote anymore" that is a threat to democracy.

"Debuting a new fascist term, an excited Trump agreed and claimed that other countries were sending their “non-productive people.” across the US/Mexico border.

"They don't want to work or whatever, and these countries are getting rid of non-productive people in the caravans in many cases, and they are also getting rid of their murderees and their drug dealers..."

Trump’s use of the term “non-productive” is a resurrection of the Nazis’ eugenicist ideology, which empowered Nazi medical officials to kill anyone deemed to be living a “life unworthy of living.” The T-4 (Tiergartenstrasse) Program was initiated by Adolf Hitler in 1939 and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, paving the way for the Holocaust."

(from wsws.org)

What context do you want??

 

[Antz]

He is a presidential candidate. Whatever the context, if he says: "You won't have to vote anymore" that is a threat to democracy.

"Debuting a new fascist term, an excited Trump agreed and claimed that other countries were sending their “non-productive people.” across the US/Mexico border.

"They don't want to work or whatever, and these countries are getting rid of non-productive people in the caravans in many cases, and they are also getting rid of their murderees and their drug dealers..."

Trump’s use of the term “non-productive” is a resurrection of the Nazis’ eugenicist ideology, which empowered Nazi medical officials to kill anyone deemed to be living a “life unworthy of living.” The T-4 (Tiergartenstrasse) Program was initiated by Adolf Hitler in 1939 and led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, paving the way for the Holocaust."

(from wsws.org)

What context do you want??

All I can say is that you are influenced by fake news. All the best, mate. No more replies by me.

 

[IlovethePies]

All I can say is that you are influenced by fake news. All the best, mate. No more replies by me.

All good Antz, though sad for you that you have decided to close your mind.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

"Trump is a threat to deomcracy".... says the party that forced a sitting president to pull out of the election race and 'installed' a new candidate - without following their own deomocratic processes. Apparently the president is too impaired to run again, but well enough to continue leading the country.... you can't make this stuff up!

Harris hasn't done a single interview since being 'installed' as the new Democrat candidate but apparently Trump is too scared to debate her!

Trump show a lot of narcessistic tendancies so I doubt he's too scared to debate her. I suspect that he is either biding his time so that he destroys her - like he did Biden - and it's too late for the DNC to swap her out; or, Harris is being persuaded to avoid the debate and the narrative is the opposite.

 

[Kirby]

"Trump is a threat to deomcracy".... says the party that forced a sitting president to pull out of the election race and 'installed' a new candidate - without following their own deomocratic processes. Apparently the president is too impaired to run again, but well enough to continue leading the country.... you can't make this stuff up!

Harris hasn't done a single interview since being 'installed' as the new Democrat candidate but apparently Trump is too scared to debate her!

Trump show a lot of narcessistic tendancies so I doubt he's too scared to debate her. I suspect that he is either biding his time so that he destroys her - like he did Biden - and it's too late for the DNC to swap her out; or, Harris is being persuaded to avoid the debate and the narrative is the opposite.

Regardless of what you think about Harris, one thing is almost certain, she will wipe the floor with Trump in a proper debate.

Trump is an extremely poor debater and was lucky recently that he came up against a senile Biden.

 

[jathanas]

Regardless of what you think about Harris, one thing is almost certain, she will wipe the floor with Trump in a proper debate.

Trump is an extremely poor debater and was lucky recently that he came up against a senile Biden.

"Kamabla" would indeed wipe the floor with Trump in any debate, but Americans will be voting.

The below article analyses the 2016 election. I remember feeling confident Hillary would win because "who in their right mind would vote for Trump?".

I hope the Dems aren't underestimating the power of his appeal to certain demographics.

An examination of the 2016 electorate, based on validated voters

One of the biggest challenges facing those who seek to understand U.S. elections is establishing an accurate portrait of the American electorate and the

www.pewresearch.org

 

[JB1975]

"Trump is a threat to deomcracy".... says the party that forced a sitting president to pull out of the election race and 'installed' a new candidate - without following their own deomocratic processes. Apparently the president is too impaired to run again, but well enough to continue leading the country.... you can't make this stuff up!

Harris hasn't done a single interview since being 'installed' as the new Democrat candidate but apparently Trump is too scared to debate her!

Trump show a lot of narcessistic tendancies so I doubt he's too scared to debate her. I suspect that he is either biding his time so that he destroys her - like he did Biden - and it's too late for the DNC to swap her out; or, Harris is being persuaded to avoid the debate and the narrative is the opposite.

It's too hard for Trumpists to understand the concept of degeneration. Biden can see out his term, but he's showing signs of an impairment which will worsen over time and render him unfit.

So is Don, which is why he saw Joe as his ideal opponent.

I don't like Kamala Harris very much. I'm not sure I like her at all. Maybe that'll change. But as much as I would've liked the Dems to throw the leadership open, there's nothing undemocratic about investing it with the VP.

The people will vote.

Trump is a narcissist, but that doesn't preclude an instinct for self-preservation and the awareness of threat.

There is no doubt in my mind that he hasn't recovered equilibrium since Biden's fateful decision. He is a bloated old man lumped with the VP candidate who makes America's skin crawl, and he knows that a debate with Harris would be an embarrassment which illuminates his dimness.

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No one in US political history has refused to accept the people's will more than Don, and only Don has sought support to overturn an election.

The US system is corrupt and hopelessly subject to the influence of money. It is unhealthy.

There is reason to believe that the Trump candidacy will ensure the situation becomes terminal.

 

[jathanas]

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No one in US political history has refused to accept the people's will more than Don, and only Don has sought support to overturn an election.

The US system is corrupt and hopelessly subject to the influence of money. It is unhealthy.

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Quoted for emphasis.

Trump and/or his supporters preaching democracy is akin to sr36 waxing lyrical about generous dinner servings after he served up a 3 prawn risotto.

 

[sr36]

Quoted for emphasis.

Trump and/or his supporters preaching democracy is akin to sr36 waxing lyrical about generous dinner servings after he served up a 3 prawn risotto.

It's more akin to chucking a wobbly over pizza topping selections that you don't like.

 

[Abdul_The_Bull]

It's too hard for Trumpists to understand the concept of degeneration. Biden can see out his term, but he's showing signs of an impairment which will worsen over time and render him unfit.

So is Don, which is why he saw Joe as his ideal opponent.

I don't like Kamala Harris very much. I'm not sure I like her at all. Maybe that'll change. But as much as I would've liked the Dems to throw the leadership open, there's nothing undemocratic about investing it with the VP.

The people will vote.

Trump is a narcissist, but that doesn't preclude an instinct for self-preservation and the awareness of threat.

There is no doubt in my mind that he hasn't recovered equilibrium since Biden's fateful decision. He is a bloated old man lumped with the VP candidate who makes America's skin crawl, and he knows that a debate with Harris would be an embarrassment which illuminates his dimness.

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No one in US political history has refused to accept the people's will more than Don, and only Don has sought support to overturn an election.

The US system is corrupt and hopelessly subject to the influence of money. It is unhealthy.

There is reason to believe that the Trump candidacy will ensure the situation becomes terminal.

If the Dems wanted to provide a real alternate for their supporters to the Don then they would have opened up the DNC to the likes of Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr, but they don't fit the mould so it was an automatic 'selection' for Harris.
If she is truly the best option, she would easily 'walk' through the DNC process. However, I suspect Gabbard, at least, would destroy her in a debate.

 

[Maggie5]

If the Dems wanted to provide a real alternate for their supporters to the Don then they would have opened up the DNC to the likes of Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr, but they don't fit the mould so it was an automatic 'selection' for Harris.
If she is truly the best option, she would easily 'walk' through the DNC process. However, I suspect Gabbard, at least, would destroy her in a debate.

Gabbard was a closet Republican and RFK is a nutter. Dems smart to stay away from both of them,

 

[Kirby]

RFK Jnr???

FMD

 

[leon123]

RFK Jnr???

FMD

RFK Jnr would consider your statement as consent.

 

[jathanas]

RFK Jnr would consider your statement as consent.

RFK is like a blind javelin thrower.

Will never win a thing but keeps the crowd on their toes.

 

[IlovethePies]

RFK is a political monstrosity: anti-vaccine, anti-China war monger, and anti Semite, entirely in the mould of Trump himself.

Yet the Democrats feel so threatened by any kind of candidate independent of the two main parties, that they have organised a legal successful legal challenge to prevent RFK from appearing on the NY State ballot in the November election.

The Democrats have set up a specific committee (the Clear Choice PAC (Political Action Committee)-courteousy of billionaire backers ), whose sole purpose is to remove third party, independent candidates from the ballot.

This committee has already mounted a legal challenge to block Cornel West and Jill Stein.

The Democrats have no commitment to democracy. They are desperate to keep the entire framework of US politics wedged within the two party system, where the two mainstream parties: the Democrats and the Republicans, both represent sections of the financial oligarchy and corporate elite.

No other, non-controlled voice can be tolerated by Harris and Walz, and their Democrat backers. They believe that by blocking all third parties, they will maximise their chances of winning the election.

New York judge rules Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. off state ballot

A Democratic Party super PAC argued that Kennedy should not appear on the ballot on the grounds that the address on his petitions was a “sham.”

www.wsws.org

 

[Black_White]

"Trump is a threat to deomcracy".... says the party that forced a sitting president to pull out of the election race and 'installed' a new candidate - without following their own deomocratic processes. Apparently the president is too impaired to run again, but well enough to continue leading the country.... you can't make this stuff up!

Harris hasn't done a single interview since being 'installed' as the new Democrat candidate but apparently Trump is too scared to debate her!

Trump show a lot of narcessistic tendancies so I doubt he's too scared to debate her. I suspect that he is either biding his time so that he destroys her - like he did Biden - and it's too late for the DNC to swap her out; or, Harris is being persuaded to avoid the debate and the narrative is the opposite.

You do know that there is a Trump/Harris debate scheduled for 10th September?

 

[IlovethePies]

Will be a fascinating debate...
The law and order prosecuter Harris will attempt to outflank Trump from the right on immigration.
But Trump will blindside her with Hitlerite rhetoric about sub human immigrants written for him by Stephen Miller.
Both will agree that the genocide in Gaza has to continue (or more likely, will fail to even mention it)
Harris will declare that the war in Ukraine against Russia must continue in the name of "democracy and freedom" , even if it risks provoking a nuclear war.
Trump will actually attempt to exploit this by pretending that he is opposed to war in Ukraine. (He thinks American military and repressive resources should be directed above all else against the threat of oppostion within the US itself)

The only thing that is certain is that mass confusion will be the aim of both candidates, and of the entire US political framework as a whole.

Above all else,the US ruling class does not want the American population to understand what is at stake.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Good times before Immigration deported Sidey’s boat boys