TW on SEN last night

[Captain_Brown_7]

Caught the last bit of TW on SEN last night. Thing mentioned were:

*TW has spoken to 4 players regarding the Captaincy role next season, but wasn't willing to give an inch on who those 4 were

*Was extremely pleased with the draft, as he has being saying since saturday

Thats about all i got fella's seeing as i only caught the last 3 minutes.

Just for arguements sake, the 4 players IMO would have to be out of Coughlan, Richo, Johnson, Brown.








P.S. BLING BLING!!!!!!!!

 

[mellowyellow]

Cant see terry giving richo a lookin, my guess would be johno & Bowden as a possible smokie.

 

[Heisenberg_]

I cant see Brown getting it hasnt played enough games for us to be captain IMO. i reckon it just might be Bowden

 

[Bentleigh]

You'd have to give it to Johnson.

Cogs needs the vice captaincy, ie. Judd.

 

[hoshmen1985]

You'd have to give it to Johnson.

Cogs needs the vice captaincy, ie. Judd.

That was my thoughts exactly. Johnno is a good leader and is still young so he could aptain for many years to come as were all saying we ahve to keep the group tight. No point in appointing Richo captain, he only has about 4 years left in him, he'll be 30 next year..

 

[astro_toby]

i think johnson is nearly over the line IMO. The 4 i think would have been Kane, Bowden, Gaspar, Coughlan. Dont discount Gaspar, just because he had a poor++++ year. He lead the way and took a pay cut, and Miller has been very impressed, and seems to mention that every chance he gets. I dont wanna hear anyone give Gas a hard time next year.

 

[hoshmen1985]

i think johnson is nearly over the line IMO. The 4 i think would have been Kane, Bowden, Gaspar, Coughlan. Dont discount Gaspar, just because he had a poor++++ year. He lead the way and took a pay cut, and Miller has been very impressed, and seems to mention that every chance he gets. I dont wanna hear anyone give Gas a hard time next year.

I've always liked Gasper and all of last season I just thought that if he had a full pre-season, Gasper will be ack to one of the most dominate defenders in the league. he has always been a hard working defender.

 

[Captain_Brown_7]

That was my thoughts exactly. Johnno is a good leader and is still young so he could aptain for many years to come as were all saying we ahve to keep the group tight. No point in appointing Richo captain, he only has about 4 years left in him, he'll be 30 next year..

Might be perfect.

No doubt about it, Richo is both loved by all at the club and the supporters too. I think he'd thrive on being Captain and I would not be suprised in the slightest if he was appointed.

That way, when he hangs up the boots, Cogs will be ready and waiting.

 

[oxx]

he has always been a hard working defender.

whose skills let him down attrociously.


Bowden is a smoky ?

I know he won the clubs b&f but I dont believe 16 good games in 2 years
warrants the captaincy.
If Joel is to someday captain the club he needs a stellar 2005.

Let's see if he can continue the form he showed last b4 calling him capt material.

Johnson for a year.

 

[mellowyellow]

He lead the way and took a pay cut, and Miller has been very impressed, and seems to mention that every chance he gets. I dont wanna hear anyone give Gas a hard time next year.

A pay cut long overdue despite his poor form. A shocking year only compounded his need to review the generous payments made to him.

He gets no brownie points for doing what others have been calling for, for more then a season or 2 .

 

[astro_toby]

A pay cut long overdue despite his poor form. A shocking year only compounded his need to review the generous payments made to him.



He gets no brownie points for doing what others have been calling for, for more then a season or 2 .

we offered to him, our own fault. he didnt have to take it. Im glad he did because now he wont be remembered as another leach to suck from the RFC. Gasper before his knee injury was worth alot. he was all australian, and always among the top 3-4 FB in the league. After he did he's knee, thats when the wheels really fell off our season, and shows y he is so important to our club. lets hope everyone gets of his back, and he can perform near his best again

bowden doesnt deserve the captaincy. no doubt about that. richo cant be captain, he isnt mature enough - sorry but its true. johnson all the way i think, a tiger supporter before he was drafted by the crows and a great consistent player who has never had poor body language like bowden and richo. bowden and coughlan as vice

 

[Tambo]

imo richo should never be captain. he attitude is shocking.... the young guns will have no idea... imo johnno is the best for the possie with either cogs or bowden as vice.... preferably cogs as i would asume he will be our next captain!

 

[mellowyellow]

Bowden is a smoky ?

I know he won the clubs b&f but I dont believe 16 good games in 2 years
warrants the captaincy.
If Joel is to someday captain the club he needs a stellar 2005.

Let's see if he can continue the form he showed last b4 calling him capt material.

Johnson for a year.

A fair assessment oxx and that coupled with the personal qualities that make for good leaders, will probably rule him out. But i only included him because apart from johnson,sadly no others are a standout. A really poor reflection on frawley and co and how an environmnent can be left so starved of future leaders.

 

[tigertime]

Bowden is the best choice for the captaincy.

1) Has been at the club the longest. Loyalty.
2) Lead from the front last year with inspiring performances and great leadership in a wooden spoon club under a mediocre coach. No one else lifted.
3) Embodies what is great about the richmond football club.
"we will fight and fight and win" He never gave up.
4) Versatile, plays well in defence, the middle or up forward. You need a captain who can go anywhere to inspire the troops.
5) He is a better choice than the other options.
6) Smacked Mr. Piggy chaffey in the chops.. You have to give him credit for that.

Problems with other captains:
1) Brown - Hasnt been at the club long enough. Has a party attitude aka. Shane Crawford.
2) Johnson - Mediocre year and struggles with injuries. Poor skills when under pressure and lacking leadership qualities. When our midfield starts losing, they fall apart. Johnson makes no difference there. He was a good 4th midfielder at the crows in his prime where there was little pressure.
3) Gaspar.. He should try beating at least one opponent this year. Take your meds for this ridiculous suggestion.
4) Coughlan - Too young & injury prone
5) Richo - Two words - "Temper Tantrums". Despite all of his good work, richo is a match loser as often as he is a match winner. He is a great player, but lets face it. He is unstable at the best of times. He is also pretty old now.

 

[Bentleigh]

Bowden shouldnt be captain.

He was great last year... after he was our worst player for game after game.

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[Tiger_Of_Old]

Bowden is the best choice for the captaincy.

1) Has been at the club the longest. Loyalty.

On That basis Richo has equal claim.

Bowden is the best choice for the captaincy.


2) Lead from the front last year with inspiring performances and great leadership in a wooden spoon club under a mediocre coach. No one else lifted.

After he was dropped to coburg for performance,s that equalled his past 3yrs at the club

Bowden is the best choice for the captaincy.


3) Embodies what is great about the richmond football club.
"we will fight and fight and win" He never gave up.

Considering the ball was down in the back half a good percentage of the time its hardly suprising he got the ball more often than not.Playing a sweeper role means less responsabilty which fits Bowden to a tee.

Bowden is the best choice for the captaincy.


4) Versatile, plays well in defence, the middle or up forward. You need a captain who can go anywhere to inspire the troops.

Inspiring?would love to know joel,s hardball get stats.

Problems with other captains:
1) Brown - Hasnt been at the club long enough. Has a party attitude aka. Shane Crawford.

Agreed

2) Johnson - Mediocre year and struggles with injuries. Poor skills when under pressure and lacking leadership qualities. When our midfield starts losing, they fall apart. Johnson makes no difference there. He was a good 4th midfielder at the crows in his prime where there was little pressure.

Jonno knows what a hardball get is.Not sure where you got the idea he is lacking leadership qualities.he,s been there done that.knows what is required to be succesful.

3) Gaspar.. He should try beating at least one opponent this year. Take your meds for this ridiculous suggestion.

compared to Joel,s 11 good games over the past 3yrs.id hardly start having ago at Gasper.

4) Coughlan - Too young & injury prone

Agreed.



cheers!

 

[cairo tiger]

i just cannnot fathom why people rate gasper, he had one ok year gets all australian and asks for and gets a 600000 slaray that nearly bankrupts us...ok he took a cut....if he is team leader then what example are we setting? tw will not put up with over paid fats cats....last year for sure or terry will get a rocket up him

 

[tigertime]

I agree totally cairo tiger...

Regarding the posts about Johnson. The midfield has been consistently thrashed and drops away dramatically when put under pressure. A good leader would have made this midfield competitive. Yet fleming who has no skills had more impact and was more noticeable. Johnson's stats are great yet he has no impact on a game of footy. He like campbell can have 30 possessions and it will make no difference.

Bowden is also a couple of years younger and could captain the club for the next 3-5 years. Johnson is in decline and would be a short term candidate at best. Bowden did have a few ordinary years before that. But he showed great character last year. Thats a sign of a great leader. To succeed in an adverse environment. Bowden won plenty of the hard ball last year. The only real criticism of Bowden has been that he doesnt try. Well he showed us what he can do when he tried last year. There is no reason to think he wont lift another notch this year when his efforts will lead to team success.

i just cannnot fathom why people rate gasper, he had one ok year gets all australian and asks for and gets a 600000 slaray that nearly bankrupts us...ok he took a cut....if he is team leader then what example are we setting? tw will not put up with over paid fats cats....last year for sure or terry will get a rocket up him

 

[Harvey Leadpipe]

Gaspar shouldn't be considered for any leadership role. His body language last year was as bad as Richo's at his worst, but at least Richo keeps trying. Added to that he was paid a kings ransome, and yes he took a cut, but will still be one of the highest paid defenders in the game. I'll continue to bag him.

Make Deledio and Tambling captain/vice.

 

[Crumden]

2) Johnson - Mediocre year and struggles with injuries. Poor skills when under pressure and lacking leadership qualities. When our midfield starts losing, they fall apart. Johnson makes no difference there. He was a good 4th midfielder at the crows in his prime where there was little pressure.

What the???? Crows supporters believed Johnson was a future leader for them before he left. Michael Voss couldn't have made our midfield competitive this year with the poor tactics and lack of depth. To say Fleming had more impact is ludicrous. Fleming was only more noticeable because he turned the ball over nearly every time he got his hands on it.

For Bowden to get the captaincy it would be a big elevation as he wasn't in the leadership 8 this year. Although with a new broom, and the fall from form of the likes of Kellaway, Gaspar and Chaffey last season, and the loss of Ottens, that group will bear little resemblence to the group of leaders this year. I think Bowden has been overly maligned by supporters in the past, but he still needs to show a bit more to get the captaincy.

I think Johnson will get it, but mainly by default.

 

[Dean3]

It's a pity that Coughlan is injured. If he'd had another Jack Dyer medal year, he'd be my "shoo-in" for captain, despite being young.

We need a hard nut skipper.

 

[Darth_Tiger]

i cant believe people are touting richos name as captain.
dont you people remember last year when he was captain for a handfull of games? it was the worst i have EVER seen him play. he was woeful. the captaincy is not something richo needs. let him play his natural game without the burden of leadership. he tries too hard and ends up playing worse because of it. the role is just not for him.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Regarding the posts about Johnson. The midfield has been consistently thrashed and drops away dramatically when put under pressure. A good leader would have made this midfield competitive. Yet fleming who has no skills had more impact and was more noticeable. Johnson's stats are great yet he has no impact on a game of footy. He like campbell can have 30 possessions and it will make no difference.

Laughs your kidding?Who gets the ball out to the likes of Tivendale etc?
to say fleming had more impact sums it up.
On one hand you say Bowden will make a great leader yet you say one fault he has he dosent try.yep great example to the Pups.

cheers!

 

[tigertime]

Johnson didnt get the ball out to tivendale last year. Hence tivendale always getting tackled.. Fleming went in a lot harder than johnson. He just had no skills.

Your comments about Bowdens efforts were out of context. Who are you trying to fool??? Everyone else here can read my post. Try being honest.

Bowden was coasting just like the footy club. Then he decided he would try irrespective of the dud coach and captain.

16 great games in a row later.. Find me another richmond player who has done that in recent years. Certainly not johnson.

Laughs your kidding?Who gets the ball out to the likes of Tivendale etc?
to say fleming had more impact sums it up.
On one hand you say Bowden will make a great leader yet you say one fault he has he dosent try.yep great example to the Pups.

cheers!

 

[jezza]

Gaspar is a very good leader around the club, everyone I've talked to gives him huge raps for the work he does with the kids at the club. But he needs to concentrate on his footy and getting some confidence up.

Bowden lifted this year, is a great clubman and increased his media profile greatly, but being our best player for 2/3 of one season isn't enough in my book. A vice captain role would be good for him right now I think until he shows he can perform at that level over a greater period of time.

Richo just isn't captain material, he tried before and failed. Another who needs to just concentrate on his footy. Still has a lot to offer the kids, especially showing them what passion for Richmond is all about.

Coughlan is too young and too inured to even remotely be considered in my opinion, another who needs to concentrate on other things. He also needs to mature a bit, especially given he has spent a lot of time with Zantuck. His time will come, let's not jeopordise his form by burdening him with the captaincy.

Johnno is the obvious choice. He's only been at the club a short time, but is a lifelong tiger fan and was desperate to be playing here. He works harder than anyone during games and training. His short-comings are that he isn't overly vocal on field, he leads more by example, and he doesn't have much of a media profile, but that's something that can be easily fixed, especially with Wallace on board.