U/18 Carnival

[TigerPower]

Just got back from the game -

Natanui - Has freakish abilities and a massive leap but I must agree with other posters, is pretty poor when the ball hits the ground and can't seem to find enough of it. Shows plently of agression which is a positive and went forward to kick and contribute to a goal but not sold on him being a 1st roader yet, I hope Richmond don't follow the hype.

Lynch - Played a really solid game today that we have come to expect from Lynch. Presented hard and was rewarded and kicked a couple of goals. Takes a good strong mark as well. A solid body player in the same mould as a Jarred Roughead.

Lisle - Didn't play his best game but boy can this kid play. Has Jonathan Brown written all over him. Played throughout the carnival as a CHB which is not his natural position and still got in the bests almost every week. Today, although not his best game, still put his talent on display. Worked off his man well excellently and his decision making was good. One passage of play saw him run off the line after a center bounce, collect the contested ball, run an extra 20 meters and deliver a lace out pass to a leading forward. All for a man who stands at 196cm. Also put on display a number of times his courage when flying into packs. Please get this guy Richmond.

McKernan - Where did all the hype come from? Did not impress me one bit today, but maybe he had an off day. His disposel by foot was poor and i don't remember him hitting a target let alone getting much of the footy aswell. Easily beaten by Natanui in the ruck. Perhaps goes to show the amount of hype you can generate when related to an AFL player.

Watts - Deserves the hype and plays an exceptional brand of football for a 17 year old. Takes strong contested pack marks and kicks truley. Will be a star for years to come. Did look soft at times but he has a light frame and when he pulls down strong pack marks, who cares at his age.

Vickery - Will perhaps go late in the draft but played pretty decent today. Still coming back from a torn ACL last year so can only get better. Showed his potential down forward and was able to take some difficult contested marks, but as a 200cm ruckman, it's probably expected. Awkard kicking style though i noticed and kicked a number of points as a result.

If you got anyone else you want to know about, let me now
JSM

DO NOT GET natanui absolute case of JON MK11 lmao. The ones in bold are the two we should target out of that list. Watts is an absolute freak CHF and great kick, he can compliment steamer in the forward line, imagine that. The same goes for vickery, him or watts for our forward line. FFS VICKERY IS 200cm, and has a great marking ability, and his kicking can be tidyed up. McKernan is an absolute dud, and Natanui and him will crush the clubs who pick them. Hurley and rick I would also recommend but they will go to early.

p.s. this draft is so good that we can still get freakshow player with our first pick.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Pick 1. Naitanui. This guy is awesome. Sportsbet are offering even money about him being number 1 pick. Get on!! He obviously needs to learn more about the game but his athleticism is amazing. Don't take my word for it, the buzz in the stadium every time he got his hands to the ball said it all.Could he outreach Sandilands. Dunno but he would go close and he can only improve. Didn't look out of place when the ball hit the deck either.

Was there free beer at the 'G yesterday or what? You must be kidding. I know you'll argue that "you were there" and I wasn't..but seriously , I don't believe television subtracts that much ability from a player. From what I saw Natanui's only "potential" is to be the single greatest draft mistake of all time.

 

[Heisenberg_]

in all likelyhood Rich or Watts will be gone when its our turn, if not take them obviously, but I would be very happy with Hamish Hartlett

 

[YellowandBlackBlood]

Jordan Lisle.

Could be anything. Will have a massive body with mobility.

Bookmark it.

I'd take him in a heart beat.

 

[cormick]

Okay.
Ive only got a bit of time to write this and I have been removed from modern society in the last few days, so havent seen any reports/scores etc on the matches. I also only caught 10min of the WA vs VIC met game, so cant comment on those players.
But...

SA vs NSW/ACT: Johnstone was BOG for mine. He kicked about 5 (?), but I decided that I still don't want him in our side (I also didn't tend to notice the mids because they were all in big packs etc), because he didn't chase or put in 2nd efforts the times he couldnt get the ball first up.
Someone I would be interested in if still available at a late pick, is Chris Hall. I would definitely have him in the best. Despite his SLIGHT (almost non-existant) frame, he looks all class. Reminiscent of Shane Edwards, but I think he looked even classier and as much if not more smart and skilful than the Richmond counterpart. But hes tiny, possibly putting us off (We need big bodies!!!).
I also looked closely at Jarred Redden, the ruckman. He was good, easilly beating the NSW/ACT ruck combo, both in tap outs and around the ground. Mitch Frail (in name and nature) for NSW did a few nice things, but was mainly up forward, so Redden dominated the ruck! But I'm sure there are better offers around than him.

Votes: 3: Johnstone
2: Hall
1: Jarrad Redden

(Admittedly, I didn't notice Hamish Hartlett, but his wraps are big and on this thread it said he had 24 possies, so he may have been BOG, but i didn't see him)

VIC C Vs TAS: Seeing as it was a 98 point win for the Vics, it was hard to like anything Tas had, but Cornelius looked good! He, like Johnstone (above), also lacked some intensity (2nd efforts, etc), and his hands wern't as sticky (marking wise ) as i would like, but he got between 4 and 6 in a 100 point losing team. Admittedly, he was the ONLY Tasmanian target, and Vic C didn't flood, so it was generally 1-1, but if still available at our 2nd pick (unlikely), I wouldn't mind picking him up!
But my BOG for this, and my new love child , whom I want with our first pick, is Jack Ziebell!!! The kid is class, can kick immaculately on both feet, and is big bodied enough to handle the inside mid that he plays and we need. As someone said on another Richmond-board thread, hes Coughlan's hardness with Cotchin's class. His one down side is that he seems a bit slow, but his footy smarts mean he knows where to go and doesn't need pace. And he gets a shitload of clearances. With precise kicking out of the midfield. Just what we need!!! Think Coughlan's hardness, Tuck's clearance ability and Deledio's kicking!.
He started on the HFF and was defensively tagged (I think), but didn't have much of an impact. Once thrown onto the ball (Halfway through the 2nd quarter), he dominated. I'm telling you, he's what we need.
Anyway, the ineligible John Butcher really impressed me too, in ruck and up forward. His opponent (Daniel Archer FWIW) didn't seem to be the greatest defender and seemed to go along the Setanta O'H school of thought of roughing the opponent up rather than stopping him. And although Butcher looked like a stick and Archer a tank, the few 1-1 contests they were in Butcher managed to win hands down, outmuscling the supposedly bigger-bodied opponent. But, as forementioned, he's ineligible . Ouch!!!
I also liked the look of both Nic Heine, played a good solid, high posession game off the wing, and also Jamie Sheahan in the midfield. Heine is a likely 1st round pick, so may not be around for our first pick, but Sheahan, who, although not as classy as Heine, got the same if not more, numbers than Nic, and was very energetic and dangerous, with (I think), a couple of goals.

As a sidenote, despite looking out for him in the second half, I failed to notice the highly rated Nick Suban , and was also unimpressed with the superlatively-named Steele Sidebottom . He got the ball, but didn't use it too well. Maybe just nerves or something, but I don't want him...

Votes: 3. Ziebell
2. Butcher
3. Sheahan

Spec. mentions to both Heine and Cornelius, who both played good footy on the day.


So theirs my take on the U/18 carnival games that I saw.
My newest first pick is (quite obviously) Ziebell. He'll be a superstar!!!

 

[Goldfrog]

Free beer!! At Telstra!! Yeah, right.
I confess, I like players with the "X" factor and this guy has it. Reminds me a very tanned Carl Ditterich. Different hairstyle too. Sure, he has plenty to learn, but I have never seen a more dominant display of ruckwork anywhere. When he learns how to position himself, and becomes more adept at marking in a pack, he could be anything.
I think there were only two players that I saw who could have an impact, at present, in the seniors, he, due to his spring and Rich, who has a big body, and although not on song in that game, has obvious talent.
Mistakes I rate as JON, Alex Gilmour, Fiora, and possibly Tambling as high as number 4. This dude ain't a mistake.

Was there free beer at the 'G yesterday or what? You must be kidding. I know you'll argue that "you were there" and I wasn't..but seriously , I don't believe television subtracts that much ability from a player. From what I saw Natanui's only "potential" is to be the single greatest draft mistake of all time.

 

[nut]

Free beer!! At Telstra!! Yeah, right.
I confess, I like players with the "X" factor and this guy has it. Reminds me a very tanned Carl Ditterich. Different hairstyle too. Sure, he has plenty to learn, but I have never seen a more dominant display of ruckwork anywhere. When he learns how to position himself, and becomes more adept at marking in a pack, he could be anything.
I think there were only two players that I saw who could have an impact, at present, in the seniors, he, due to his spring and Rich, who has a big body, and although not on song in that game, has obvious talent.
Mistakes I rate as JON, Alex Gilmour, Fiora, and possibly Tambling as high as number 4. This dude ain't a mistake.

He plays small and tall... I think the fijian will be a great player.

 

[Richo is God]

are foxsports replaying the games at all or will i have to download the torrents to watch the games?

 

[Goldfrog]

Another good judge. We aren't going to get him, so it doesn't really matter, but I'll be really surprised if he doesn't turn out a real gun. Better than Kreuzer.

He plays small and tall... I think the fijian will be a great player.

 

[beaver fever]

So many mixed reports on Natanui. Some rate him very high while others think he is overrated. Something that everyone agrees with is that he is a work in progress. That to me seems to mean that he is not worth a top 5 pick, because he is too much of an unknown.

 

[Goldfrog]

You're right,he is a work in progress, but any "project" player is. Comparing him to say Watts and Vickery, who would go top few, I can't believe he wouldn't be picked in front of them. They both look good, but both would need plenty of work before taking on senior roles. Same with the Fijian except at this stage, I think he's lots better.
No doubt the Richmond of old would pick up McKernan or some 4' 8" squirrel instead of him, but I think we are SLOWLY getting better at this drafting caper.

20]So many mixed reports on Natanui. Some rate him very high while others think he is overrated. Something that everyone agrees with is that he is a work in progress. That to me seems to mean that he is not worth a top 5 pick, because he is too much of an unknown.[/quote]

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Forget McKernan, Lisle is the best big man (non ruckman) in the draft. He moves well, kicks well, marks well and has a frame that screams "future Jonathan Brown". I think he stands at 196cm and is still growing (probably).

He is very gettable, as I suspect Watts and Hurley will go earlier than we could hope for.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Last thing we need is another "project player" from a high draft pick..for a start, it's not worth ########s like Sausage Troll coming here in 3 years time saying delist NAT in every ####in' post ...

Besides that...he looks like a liability when the ball hits the ground...and he can't hit the side of a barn with his kicks...maybe he can be turned into a champion , but not by us...we're flat out making the likes of Deledio a consistant matchwinner after 4 years....we've got no hope with this big bungling lummox...not under our current regime anyway...

 

[Goldfrog]

If you are talking about the Fijian as a big bungling lummox, it's like saying that Shane Edwards is a body builder. Wrong!!!
This guy is as athletic as they come. The only query, as it is with any player defined as an "athlete" instead of a "footballer",is whether they will develop the footy smarts required. Who knows, but if you are gunna pick an 'athlete" pick the best one. And, also, unless we were watching a different player, he was pretty mobile when the ball hit the deck, especially compared to a couple of our big guys.
Anyway, irrelevant to Richmond, even at pick 4 ( if we get our tanking right), he will have been picked up.
quote=Mario Speedwagon;11671137]Last thing we need is another "project player" from a high draft pick..for a start, it's not worth ########s like Sausage Troll coming here in 3 years time saying delist NAT in every ####in' post ...

Besides that...he looks like a liability when the ball hits the ground...and he can't hit the side of a barn with his kicks...maybe he can be turned into a champion , but not by us...we're flat out making the likes of Deledio a consistant matchwinner after 4 years....we've got no hope with this big bungling lummox...not under our current regime anyway...[/quote]

 

[TigersForever]

Forget McKernan, Lisle is the best big man (non ruckman) in the draft. He moves well, kicks well, marks well and has a frame that screams "future Jonathan Brown". I think he stands at 196cm and is still growing (probably).

He is very gettable, as I suspect Watts and Hurley will go earlier than we could hope for.

Well spotted AT. We should be making him priority Number 1.

He will be the next big thing!

 

[jockey-sized midfielder]

Well spotted AT. We should be making him priority Number 1.

He will be the next big thing!

Completely agree. He is the best "footballer" type in the draft, let alone KPP player. With his build, you will be amazed at how well he moves around the ground.

 

[Bojangles17]

Forget McKernan, Lisle is the best big man (non ruckman) in the draft. He moves well, kicks well, marks well and has a frame that screams "future Jonathan Brown". I think he stands at 196cm and is still growing (probably).

He is very gettable, as I suspect Watts and Hurley will go earlier than we could hope for.

be very careful drafting key backman, they generally dont know how to find the footy, we have rance covering CHB in the future, Lets focus on a key forward FFS

 

[getthefooty]

I thought Lisle was a key forward?

 

[aaronm46]

bit of a utility it seems, played CHF the match before the final and had 8 marks 4 of which were contested, ithink he'd be good fit at Richmond

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

Just wanted to enter into the discussion re -athlete versus the footballer when considering draft prospects.
RFC have been fortunate enough to have the only real long term star in the game who was regarded highly as an athlete when drafted.
Players drafted upon their atheletic ability generally have a huge amount of flair yet are downhill skiers.
The best way to equate a atheletes ability, influence, on a football field is to consider the greats Ablett x 2, Hird, Carey, Mathews, Brereton, Voss, all were footballers not necessarily great athletes and can't think of any players in Geelong's all conquering 2007 that would be cosidered more for their athletic ability than their football ability.
Stay way from those that lack football ability,
Cotchin is proof true football ability = a true footballer.

 

[King_Mallee]

Jordan Lisle.

Could be anything. Will have a massive body with mobility.

Bookmark it.

I'd take him in a heart beat.

highly highly over rated in my opinion.




I think that Vickery did his ACL recovery at Richmond. Any relation to the Richmond boxing coach?

I agree we should look at ruckman or key forwards. Why look at key backman when we have Moore and Thursfield who can hold their own and Rance coming through. Why not target Watts or mcKernan?

 

[jockey-sized midfielder]

be very careful drafting key backman, they generally dont know how to find the footy, we have rance covering CHB in the future, Lets focus on a key forward FFS

Lisle is a genuine CHF, only there to fill the void left by Vic Metro's injured starting CHB. He is as good as a Key forward as you will find in this years draft

 

[peggles]

So theirs my take on the U/18 carnival games that I saw.
My newest first pick is (quite obviously) Ziebell. He'll be a superstar!!!

i've been hearing some nice things about ziebell too recently.....i'm starting to lean towards picking him for the 1st round pick...should definitely be available ....

and if vickery remains on the board come our 2nd round pick..pick him up..(i know he got high wraps after the Vic metro vs WA game) but surely recruiters don't base everything on 1 game....the rest of the TAC cup is important too.....i'm by no means bagging him...i quite like him and would love for us to pick him up....family connection with RFC too....hence i'm hoping his stocks don't rise as high and we'd be able to pick him up...
know that clubs dont' really invest high picks on ruckmen unless absolute freaks like naitanui , kreuzer or luenberger...i think we have a hope

 

[cormick]

i've been hearing some nice things about ziebell too recently.....i'm starting to lean towards picking him for the 1st round pick...should definitely be available ....

and if vickery remains on the board come our 2nd round pick..pick him up..(i know he got high wraps after the Vic metro vs WA game) but surely recruiters don't base everything on 1 game....the rest of the TAC cup is important too.....i'm by no means bagging him...i quite like him and would love for us to pick him up....family connection with RFC too....hence i'm hoping his stocks don't rise as high and we'd be able to pick him up...
know that clubs dont' really invest high picks on ruckmen unless absolute freaks like naitanui , kreuzer or luenberger...i think we have a hope

That'd be perfect, wouldn't it?
An inside mid and the 2nd or 3rd best ruckman, with our first 2 picks. Plus hopefully we can get Prismall with either a late 3rd or 4th round pick or PSD pick .
Then we'd be rolling!!!
And Ziebell'l be ready to play next year too .

5 years time: Foll: Vickery Ziebell Cotchin

 

[Richo for PM]

highly highly over rated in my opinion.




I think that Vickery did his ACL recovery at Richmond. Any relation to the Richmond boxing coach?

I agree we should look at ruckman or key forwards. Why look at key backman when we have Moore and Thursfield who can hold their own and Rance coming through. Why not target Watts or mcKernan?

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