U19 players in 2010

[footyman]

With so many experienced/recycled players taken in the Rookie Draft, it has quite disappiontingly left a number of TAC Cup players from this year without a football home for 2010.

In fact, by my count on Tuesday TAC Cup selections were well down:
PSD - 1 player
Rookie - 13 players

Of those players, the majority were small/medium sized players. Which has left a number of raw, development talls available for another year of TAC Cup footy. Hopefully, AFL Victoria get it right and the right players are given an opportunity.

Start listing names here as they are confirmed...

 

[TradeDraft]

Seemed most of the Young Talls who where in the Rookie Draft did not go in the Draft

 

[Cattastrophy]

Very dissapointing from a Western Jets supporter.. not seeing Kyle Hartigan & Sean Tighe selected in Rookie Draft.. and for that matter Johnny Rayner!!

 

[thejester]

Tom Mackenzie would have to be a chance, surely.

 

[macca69]

I think Western are looking at giving Sneddon, Giles, Halloran and Gray another year as well as a few others whose names escape me at the minute.

Don't think they've offered Rayner a spot though which is a surprise as I thought he's the sort of player the rule is made for. Converted from athletics and missed most of his bottom-age year though injury.

 

[Bachar43]

I think Western are looking at giving Sneddon, Giles, Halloran and Gray another year as well as a few others whose names escape me at the minute.

Don't think they've offered Rayner a spot though which is a surprise as I thought he's the sort of player the rule is made for. Converted from athletics and missed most of his bottom-age year though injury.

Yeah Rayner and a few others were stiff. 19 year olds at the Jets are Sneddon, Giles, Gray, Fortune and Morris.

 

[footyman]

I'd have thought Rayner is the type of player the rule is designed for. There are major flaws in this rule - as I've been saying on here since its inception - there needs to be a set criteria of what constitutes a player being allowed an extra year rather than a seemingly random policy.

It seems they are more intent on putting untried players on display, rather than players with genuine draftability. I don't think they really ask themselves "who would AFL clubs like to see again". For that reason, I think AFL clubs should be consulted as part of the process, give them a list of names and ask for their input.

Keeping on the Jets path, someone like Michael Fogarty is another who played only a few games and was invited to state screening. Somebody liked something about him, so he should've been considered. Mackenzie and Burnage should be frontrunners for a spot - but will the fact they represented Country and Metro respectively cause AFL Victoria to reject their application? It's all too unclear.

The whole VFL 23rd player thing was a disaster as well. It wasn't used anywhere near as well as it was meant to be, and by the end it was fiddled around with so much that nobody knew what was going on.

 

[WatchOut]

Would someone like Rayner (and the majority of top age boys) benefit from another year of TAC though?

Most of them have played 2 years. Wouldn't it be more beneficial for them to play VFL - against bigger stronger players and not 16 / 17 year olds

I am pretty sure a player cannot have a third year. Isn't the 19 year old position usually for someone who only got picked up in the second year?

imo VFL is a step higher than TAC and would be more challenging.

 

[footyman]

I am pretty sure a player cannot have a third year. Isn't the 19 year old position usually for someone who only got picked up in the second year?

That's the issue, it's not clear what the process is. When it was introduced it was specifically meant to be for raw talls from other sports, players who have been injured during their first two years, or missed a lot of TAC Cup due to school footy. But that seems to have gone out the window.

Take Luke McDonald at Eastern - he played 20 games in 2007 (17 year old), 12 games in 2008 (18 year old) and was granted another year. He had already played 32 TAC Cup games over two seasons. (Incidentally, he played a further 19 games in 2009 as a 19 year old).

Rayner played only 4 games in 2008 (17 year old) and 18 games this year (18 year old). So his TAC Cup career only spanned 22 TAC Cup games.

To reject an overage proposal for him based on the fact he's had adequate exposure is a very flimsy argument because a precedent has been set by giving the green light to players who have had much, much more exposure. The policy needs clarity - it's very, very flawed at the moment.

As for your other question about whether a player like Rayner would benefit from another year of TAC, look I would say he'd benefit a lot more in the TAC than he would playing VFL Reserves. The exposure a player receives in the TAC Cup is much better, AFL clubs watch lots of TAC, they don't watch much VFL Reserves. In the TAC Cup they do fitness testing, their stats are provided to clubs, their videos are given to AFL clubs every week. VFL is a step higher, but he'll have to break into the VFL senior side whereever he goes, otherwise he's got next to no chance IMO.

 

[Snoop Dog]

poor showing if Rayner wanted another year and wasnt offered one......my view is that these are the blokes you want to see getting another year

 

[Chandra]

I think Footyman's description of McDonald being given a 3rd year should sway thinking more towards AFL clubs wanting to see players like Rayner succeed at VFL level rather than a precedent for a 3rd year at TAC where they should dominate.

 

[pinion]

remember of course that the gold coast has stockpiled away a few players that would have been eligible for this draft. it was also considered to be a weak draft by most, so it's not all that surprising to see the numbers down

none the less, players who missed out hopefully realise that with two new teams coming in over the new few years they may still get their chance if they stay in the system. with gold coast and west sydney coming in there'll be the need for up to 120 more players on AFL lists or rookie lists by 2013, and they won't all come from the players who are 18 at the 2010 and 2012 drafts

 

[Yoda_]

Would be a better option if they were linked to a VFL club.

Playing under 17s at a club, then moving to under 19s, then reserves if not drafted, and then moving onto seniors if good enough.

That 'transitional' stage would then be taken out as the kids would know and train with the senior guys occasionally, if not all the time. Kids like Kyle Hartigham who is with Essendon now, has probably come through from the under 17s, and then progressed to the seniors.

Just my opinion. Think that AFL Victoria should heavily invest into doing this.

 

[TradeDraft]

Would be a better option if they were linked to a VFL club.

Playing under 17s at a club, then moving to under 19s, then reserves if not drafted, and then moving onto seniors if good enough.

That 'transitional' stage would then be taken out as the kids would know and train with the senior guys occasionally, if not all the time. Kids like Kyle Hartigham who is with Essendon now, has probably come through from the under 17s, and then progressed to the seniors.

Just my opinion. Think that AFL Victoria should heavily invest into doing this.

Pies did this with a Few Murray Players in Sheanen, Mahony and Bosnevski

Link Here:
http://www.collingwoodfc.com.au/vfl players/tabid/11452/default.aspx

I am hoping the Pies VFL Side get Ceglar and Lorrane from the Bushrangers

 

[footyman]

Seems Mitchell Fisher and Tom Mackenzie will be going around with the Falcons again in 2010. Which is great, IMO they are the sort of player who should get another chance. Well done Falcons and Leon Harris for getting it right.

Anton Grhack is probably out there approving some more 175cm who have no chance for the Metro teams.

 

[footyfan97]

tim lincoln-northern knights

 

[macca69]

tim lincoln-northern knights

Is Tom Hill the other 19 year old for Northern? He's the type of player this rule was introduced for given he's a 200cm kid whose missed a lot of footy through injury.

 

[dasha25]

Is Tom Hill the other 19 year old for Northern? He's the type of player this rule was introduced for given he's a 200cm kid whose missed a lot of footy through injury.

you would think so but i think afl vic might reject it because of tom attending draft camp 2 years in a row

 

[footyfan97]

how/why did tom hill not get picked up?

 

[foj1]

My understanding is that Rayner decided if he wasnt drafted or rookied he would go to the VFL. I am not sure where he has landed as of yet however I think St Kilda's aligned club would be one guess as he did train with the saints and Shane Sextons has a strong in at the club. Essendon have been aggressively pursuing TAC players to try and strengthen Bendigo. Footy Vic have stymied them a little by apparently stating that VFL clubs can only recruit 2 players from non-aligned TAC clubs. My understanding is Essendon were keen to secure Hartigan from the Jets and also rayner as their alloted two. Essendon had as many as 8 Cannons on their wish list. However there plans were shelved early- Hunter was rookied by the pies and I do not know which 2 Cannons they will focus on. I suspect that Lucin and Ezard may be the two although Temel may have come right into calculations as dodoro apparently did speak to him and family before the rookie draft and he has some X factor about him.
My understanding is the Cannons have 3 19 year olds training with them. Ned daniher who played approximately 12 games is raw but has tested really well. He needs another year at the very least! However he is 201cm and super athletic. Shane Corbett is the second 19 year old who is approx 196cm and played about 4 games this year. He comes from a basketball background and struggled with injuries. He is another strong tall athlete who needs to learn how to play. They have also plucked one more 19 year old from local footy who is apparently a 190 cm player- I havent seen him train as of yet.

 

[Clyde's mullet]

I have been told that Ceglar and Myors have been asked to go around as 19yo's for the Bushies.

 

[footyman]

Essendon have been aggressively pursuing TAC players to try and strengthen Bendigo.

Players need to be very, very wary of going to Bendigo. They have dropped their VFL Reserves team, so they will basically be like Collingwood and Geelong who play all their AFL listed players first, then rely on their own players as top ups.

Nice they want to go actively recruiting, but Temel could spend 12 weeks of the season playing EDFL cos there's no spot for him in the Bendigo senior team. Players are more under the eye of AFL clubs playing VFL Reserves than they are local footy if they have draft aspirations.

 

[its game on]

I have been told that Ceglar and Myors have been asked to go around as 19yo's for the Bushies.

I'd like to see that, as they fit the bill.

They'd be the first 19yo's at Murray since 2007 when Hebbard and Saker were the 2 overage players and IMO were really just strenghtening the backline.

 

[WatchOut]

My understanding is Essendon were keen to secure Hartigan from the Jets and also rayner as their alloted two. Essendon had as many as 8 Cannons on their wish list. However there plans were shelved early- Hunter was rookied by the pies and I do not know which 2 Cannons they will focus on. I suspect that Lucin and Ezard may be the two although Temel may have come right into calculations as dodoro apparently did speak to him and family before the rookie draft and he has some X factor about him.
My understanding is the Cannons have 3 19 year olds training with them. .

Jacob Thompson and James Lawton were offered contracts with Bendigo. Lucin and McCallum were invited down but have decided to take offers elsewhere. McCallum to Williamstown and Lucin to Coburg which IMO is a good choice considering most of Coburgs midfield have all up and gone to south Australia. More of a chance for Lucin to work his way into the firsts. Coburg have also signed Ezard and Duhau. Temel has not yet returned to football.

I have heard a whisper that Rayner has decided to concentrate on his athletics - does anyone on here know any more.

 

[WatchOut]

Players need to be very, very wary of going to Bendigo. They have dropped their VFL Reserves team, so they will basically be like Collingwood and Geelong who play all their AFL listed players first, then rely on their own players as top ups.

Nice they want to go actively recruiting, but Temel could spend 12 weeks of the season playing EDFL cos there's no spot for him in the Bendigo senior team. Players are more under the eye of AFL clubs playing VFL Reserves than they are local footy if they have draft aspirations.

This is why McCallum and Lucin went elsewhere. They were told if they didn't get a game they would have to play that week for their local club.