UFC 71 - May 26th - Chuck v Rampage

[Deej]

Card isn't officially settled as yet but i got this off ufc junkie as the rumoured card:

* Champion Chuck Liddell vs. Quinton Jackson (for light heavyweight championship)
* Josh Burkman vs. Karo Parisyan
* Keith Jardine vs. Houston Alexander
* Chris Leben vs. Kalib Starnes
* Jeremy Stephens vs. Din Thomas
* James Irvin vs. Thiago Silva
* Terry Martin vs. Ivan Salaverry
* Sean Salmon vs. Eric Schaffer
* Wilson Gouveia vs. Carmelo Marrero


My mouth is salivating and i want to see iceman cannon him right on the button to knock his arse tfo. If chuck can win convincingly then it more or less eliminates the major influencing legend of how Pride was so much superior to UFC.

lots of good fighters on the undercard and some i admit i never heard of, but thats cool cause i like seeing fresh fish because they are unpredictable and i feel excited that they could be the next big thing aka gonzaga the human cannon.

 

[Presti_is_god]

My mouth is salivating and i want to see iceman cannon him right on the button to knock his arse tfo. If chuck can win convincingly then it more or less eliminates the major influencing legend of how Pride was so much superior to UFC.

Yes because when Rampage left Pride he was totally dominant....

People seriously need to get over the whole Pride/UFC thing. its about fighters not companies.

 

[Deej]

Yes because when Rampage left Pride he was totally dominant....

People seriously need to get over the whole Pride/UFC thing. its about fighters not companies.

I think you misunderstood me, I agree it's about fighters not orgs. I guess that chip on my shoulder is born from resentment at pride fanboys who always used to spruik Pride being so superior to UFC largely on the back of that defeat of Liddell by Jackson in 2003. The fact Jackson wasn't the best in Pride meant the huggers would use their MMA maths to deduce Silva was far superior to Liddell because he was better than Jackson and Jackson had beat Chuck, thus Pride had better fighters than the UFC.

Just look at the ranking still to this day on mmaweekly, Fedor Nog Barnett Crocop were 1,2,3,4 then Randy Sylvia Arlovski next, well we just saw Mirko get ktfo by Gonzaga so what's to say Fedor wouldn't get his head caved in by Gonzaga too? Lindland nearly had Fedor in trouble early and Randy would school Lindland no sweat.

I think this bickering will die down after 6-12 months but it's hard to forget so quickly all the pride huggers so arrogant and assumptive that pride was just point blank clearly better than UFC.

 

[drew_j]

Rampage to KO chuck in the first 20 seconds.

Only because that is the most unlikely result I can think of.

 

[WA ROO]

so what's to say Fedor wouldn't get his head caved in by Gonzaga too?

Fedor has never been ko'ed in MMA competition.Not by Hunt,Crocop,Nog,Randleman etc
Right as of now Fedor is the best not just in HW but p4p
I would say that Gonzaga would not KO Fedor

 

[Magnum]

Just look at the ranking still to this day on mmaweekly, Fedor Nog Barnett Crocop were 1,2,3,4 then Randy Sylvia Arlovski next, well we just saw Mirko get ktfo by Gonzaga so what's to say Fedor wouldn't get his head caved in by Gonzaga too? Lindland nearly had Fedor in trouble early and Randy would school Lindland no sweat.

What fight were you watching? Fedor dominated Lindland

I think this bickering will die down after 6-12 months but it's hard to forget so quickly all the pride huggers so arrogant and assumptive that pride was just point blank clearly better than UFC.

Don't worry about all that. Anyone's entitled to agree or disagree with all that Pride v UFC stuff. 6 months ago I would have said overall Pride had better fighters than the UFC, today, I'd say the UFC has better fighters than Pride. In the end it's just opinion. If you don't agree, its no biggie

 

[Buddhy]

I don't really like Chuck, I don't know why though. Who's going in as favourite this time?

To Deej- Do you really think Gonzago would be able to do that against Fedor?

 

[drew_j]

What happens if Rampage schools Chuck? Do you then bow down and admit you're wrong about PRIDE dominance? Seriously dude, why risk making your self look like an arse?

 

[Deej]

To Deej- Do you really think Gonzago would be able to do that against Fedor?

Put it this way, I don't think Fedor would be the monty champion in the UFC like everyone makes out. I wouldn't be confident betting either way in that fight.

Fedor is this giant aura of a guy, created by pride fans who also created the aura of pride being so much superior to ufc on virtually every level. Diaz wupped Gomi who was supposedly the best at 160 and Diaz wasn't the top of the tree in UFC. I just think the aura thing was a myth and it may ring true about Fedor too. What if, all along, Fedor wasn't any better than just a contender level fighter at the UFC? I'm not saying that's 100% the case, but it may not be any more crazy to say than there being 5 Pride hw's better than anyone in the UFC either.

 

[Deej]

What happens if Rampage schools Chuck? Do you then bow down and admit you're wrong about PRIDE dominance? Seriously dude, why risk making your self look like an arse?

It won't happen, not like the way Gonzaga ko'd CC. I'll be surprised if Rampage wins but then i've never said UFC is far superior. All i'm saying is i dont think pride is or ever was.

 

[drew_j]

It won't happen, not like the way Gonzaga ko'd CC. I'll be surprised if Rampage wins but then i've never said UFC is far superior. All i'm saying is i dont think pride is or ever was.

That's what everyone said about Mat Serra and GSP but look what happend. It's not isolated to pride.

PRIDE was better. The UFC just picked up their game. Intoduced TUF, lifted their profile in the US, started to make some money and be able to put up for some good contracts. Don't worry about Crocop, he'll be back and he'll crack some skull. I have no doubt he'll win the UFC heavy weight title if he stays with the UFC. Nothing could be surer

 

[Deej]

That's what everyone said about Mat Serra and GSP but look what happend. It's not isolated to pride.

PRIDE was better. The UFC just picked up their game. Intoduced TUF, lifted their profile in the US, started to make some money and be able to put up for some good contracts. Don't worry about Crocop, he'll be back and he'll crack some skull. I have no doubt he'll win the UFC heavy weight title if he stays with the UFC. Nothing could be surer

Wouldn't write him off but he'd need to make some serious improvement to do it. Plus now he's behind Gonzaga and Sylvia minimum for a title shot. What fight next for CC? Arlovski? That'd be a decent fight i reckon.

So are you tipping Rampage then?

 

[drew_j]

Wouldn't write him off but he'd need to make some serious improvement to do it. Plus now he's behind Gonzaga and Sylvia minimum for a title shot. What fight next for CC? Arlovski? That'd be a decent fight i reckon.

So are you tipping Rampage then?

No, Chuck is a machine so I think he'll win. It depends which Jackson turns up on the night. The killer or the kitten. Either way I think Chucks got him, though it's been a while since he's stood toe to toe with an out and out brawler. Chucks biggest tests over the last few years have been wrestlers. Liddell by TKO in the 5th.

I think Crocops next fight should be against Sylvia while Gonzaga has a crack at Randy for a title shot. Then the winner of CC v Sylvia gets a shot at the Champ. Randy needs to defend in his title in the next UFC I think.

 

[Presti_is_god]

I'd like to see that same scenario at HW. Arlovski doesnt deserve to be anywhere near a title shot after his performance. Maybe give Andrei Heath Herring in the mean time and the winner of that can fight the loser of Randy/Gonzaga. While Werdum gets the loser of Cro Cop/Sylvia.

 

[Magnum]

No, Chuck is a machine so I think he'll win. It depends which Jackson turns up on the night. The killer or the kitten. Either way I think Chucks got him, though it's been a while since he's stood toe to toe with an out and out brawler. Chucks biggest tests over the last few years have been wrestlers. Liddell by TKO in the 5th.

I think Crocops next fight should be against Sylvia while Gonzaga has a crack at Randy for a title shot. Then the winner of CC v Sylvia gets a shot at the Champ. Randy needs to defend in his title in the next UFC I think.

I agree with that. I'd like to see Sylvia vs Cro Cop.

With Chuck/Rampage, I also agree that it will depend on which Rampage turns up. Chuck is by far the more consistent fighter, but I believe if both are at their best, Rampage is slightly superior. A rampage who is on-song is devestating.

I also wonder when Nog will fight. I think he'll be very good as HW in the UFC with his style of JJ and the cage. I can easily see him being HW champ.

 

[Smokin]

Jackson looked so ordinary is his last fight, it is hard to see him stepping up to the level required to beat chuck in such a short time. Im hanging to see chuck in there with a good striker...Id love CC to make the rumoured move to 205.

 

[drew_j]

Jackson looked so ordinary is his last fight, it is hard to see him stepping up to the level required to beat chuck in such a short time. Im hanging to see chuck in there with a good striker...Id love CC to make the rumoured move to 205.

I don't think he was ever the same fighter after the two ko's v Wandi.

 

[haywood jablome]

Rampage will beat Chuck.

I want to see Big Nog vs Couture.

 

[Smokin]

I don't think he was ever the same fighter after the two ko's v Wandi.

Yep, they were brutal.

he will be up for this fight tho, but he just looked so rusty and flat last time out that I think he needed more fights before taking on Chuck. Which is probably precisely the reason Dana has forced him to fight Chuck now.

 

[drew_j]

Yep, they were brutal.

he will be up for this fight tho, but he just looked so rusty and flat last time out that I think he needed more fights before taking on Chuck. Which is probably precisely the reason Dana has forced him to fight Chuck now.

What's your tip? I think I can figure it's a chuck win, what about round, method?

 

[Magnum]

Yep, they were brutal.

he will be up for this fight tho, but he just looked so rusty and flat last time out that I think he needed more fights before taking on Chuck. Which is probably precisely the reason Dana has forced him to fight Chuck now.

Yeah I agree with that. After Dana was on special comments last time as Chuck was being schooled by Jackson at Final Conflict '03, he seemed embarressed that Chuck was getting a caning. Obviously he's rooting for Chuck this time, hence why he'd be pushing for Jackson fight earlier, regardless if he's underdone or not.

 

[WA ROO]

Put it this way, I don't think Fedor would be the monty champion in the UFC like everyone makes out. I wouldn't be confident betting either way in that fight. I just think the aura thing was a myth and it may ring true about Fedor too. What if, all along, Fedor wasn't any better than just a contender level fighter at the UFC? I'm not saying that's 100% the case, but it may not be any more crazy to say than there being 5 Pride hw's better than anyone in the UFC either.

I think you might want to watch some of Fedor's fights
Sorry but at the moment no one (Pride or UFC) has a HW to beat Fedor

 

[Smokin]

What's your tip? I think I can figure it's a chuck win, what about round, method?

Chuck by knee bar in the 3rd!

Seriously, Chuck by KO probably in the first, going by how Jackson looked last time out. Looked horrible on his feet.

I am expecting a much better Jackson tho, and at his best he can definitely win the fight as he has proved in the past. Im hoping Rampage, but cant see it.

He may be shot.

 

[Magnum]

Chuck by knee bar in the 3rd!

Seriously, Chuck by KO probably in the first, going by how Jackson looked last time out. Looked horrible on his feet.

I am expecting a much better Jackson tho, and at his best he can definitely win the fight as he has proved in the past. Im hoping Rampage, but cant see it.

He may be shot.

yeah, I reckon Chuck by a KO or TKO, but probably in the 2nd or 3rd. Jackson can take a decent beating.

I reckon a fit jackson would be easily a match for Liddell though, so lets hope he shows way more than he did vs Marvin Eastman.

Shogun needs to come to the UFC and show the 205's who's boss

 

[Deej]

Sunday May 27th 12pm on Main Event.

Big John McCarthy - "Chuck are you ready? (yeah) Quinton are you ready? (nod) - (look down and clap) LETS GET IT ON!!!"