Roast Umpiring: Corruption or Incompetence, or both

[JakeNeadeFan]

Watching Esava getting scragged all night reminded of Talia's various efforts on Schulz over the years.

If his name was Curnow he would've been paid 10 free kicks

 

[Scodges]

Umps need to be called out behind the scenes.


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[scotty13]

Umps need to be called out behind the scenes.


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Call them out publicly!

 

[RossFC]

I reckon it's time for the AFL to scrap the 50m pen rule, and go with the SANFL's 25m pen.

It's too harsh a rule that umpires abuse to screw over teams with.

 

[Butters and Pepper]

Was talking to a Sturt player a year or 2 ago. who said that in the SANFL, our Reserves players are often very vocal with the umpires. He said Frampton when he was at the club was pretty bad, plus 1 or 2 others who I can't remember now.....I think another one may have been Hayes (not necessarily agreeing with him that it's any sort of justification for the raw deal we get at both SANFL and AFL levels , just mentioning what I had heard).

Makes me wonder though whether a culture of frustration and back-chattiing umpires has seeped into the club, and the umpires are responding to the players' apparent attitude and overlooking frees because of some smart arse comments and possible abuse, directed towards them.

 

[SC_Power]

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A good way of hiding umpiring bias overall.
It doesn’t necessarily mean that you getting a good run at home, it’s also that you’re getting a crap run away.

Adelaide -8 overall +17 home, -25 away
Geelong -34 overall -1 home, -33 away
Port Adelaide -17 overall -5 home -12 away
Richmond -77 overall -28 home -49 away
West Coast -3 overall +9 home -13 away

Home ground umpiring? Really?

Carlton not on the list. Because they get a good run home AND away. +30 overall
Brisbane not on the list. Because they get a good run home AND away. +48 overall
GWS not on the list. Because they get a crap run home AND away. -52 overall.

And the gold standard?
Essendon +67 overall. +35 home +32 away

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

And the gold standard?
Essendon +67 overall. +35 home +32 away

Brad Scott's couple of years as AFL GM Football Operations, he might have learnt how to get on their good side and told his players how to rub them up - the right way.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Free kicks 2024 Finals series. Year to Date 7,636 frees paid in 213 games = 35.85 / game

Week 1
PA v Gee... 8 v 18.. = 26
WB v Haw.. 13 v 22 = 35
Syd v GWS 21 v 18 = 39
Bris v Carl. 15 v 14 = 29

SF
PA v Haw... 25 v 23 = 48
GWS v Bris 19 v 16 = 35

1/4 by 1/4 frees Friday night;
Qtr Us v Them
1st 9 v 5 = 14
2nd 6 v 9 = 15
3rd 6 v 5 = 11
4th 4 v 4 = 8 put the whistle away
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Tot 25 v 23 = 48

1/4 by 1/4 frees QF v Geelong
Qtr Us v Them
1st 2 v 3 = 5
2nd 2 v 3 = 5
3rd 2 v 6 = 8
4th 2 v 6 = 8
----------------
Tot 8 v 18 = 26

Free kicks 2023 Finals series. Full year 7549 frees paid in 216 games = 34.94 / game

Week 1
Coll v Mel. 14 v 20 = 34
Carl v Syd 19 v 19 = 38
StK v GWS 17 v 16 = 33
Bris v Port 21 v 24 = 45

SF
Mel v Carl 19 v 26 = 45
PA v GWS 14 v 19 = 33

PF
Coll v GWS 12 v 12 = 24 put the whistle away
Bris v Carl 17 v 15 = 32

GF
Coll v Bris 16 v 22 = 38

1/4 by 1/4 frees QF;
Qtr PA v Bris
1st 7 v 3 = 10
2nd 5 v 5 = 10
3rd 7 v 6 = 13
4th 5 v 7 = 12
--------------
Tot 24 v 21 = 45


1/4 by 1/4 frees SF;
Qtr PA v GWS
1st 5 v 4 = 9
2nd 3 v 5 = 8
3rd 3 v 6 = 9
4th 3 v 4 = 7
--------------
Tot 14 v 19 = 33

 

[Lighthouse End]

I don't know what you guys think, I'm on a bit of a limb here but I have had a sneaking suspicion for many years - since the time that South Melbourne got pushed up to Sydney, to be precise - that the entire competition is totally compromised, or if you like, completely rigged.
I have been involved in football nearly all my life, since starting in under 11s at Queenscliff in 1978 and playing just shy of 100 games at Werribee in the pre - VFL days, and I have never played in , nor witnessed, a competition where there are so many upset results in one round, let alone a season, so many momentum swings within games, and indeed quarters, so many weird and completely nonsensical umpiring decisions, so many so called highly paid professionals fluffing easy shots in front of goal ( Westhoff vs Gold Coast in 2011 I am sure you'll all recall ) and so on and so on. The semi against Hawthorn just underpins this suspicion as the officiating was so blatantly biased.

I'm not au fait with all the modern expressions ( is it tin foil hat theory? ) that people use to laugh this sort of thing off, and I do appreciate that it may sound a bit far fetched, however, there are a number of individual events over the years that set off red flags, a few involving Port.
I don't buy this hogwash about ' even competition ' and ' draft equalisation ' for a minute. Draft equalisations have been going on in regional competitions for years now and have not resulted in any evening up of competitions and in fact have resulted in poorly performing clubs going further backwards ( eg Newcomb in Bellarine league.)

It strikes me as heavily suss for one thing that the main source of revenue for the AFL these days is the TV rights, and the base of all the TV and cable networks is in Sydney. Lo and behold, the two Sydney teams are consistently in the top echelons and Sydney in particular gets a very good ride with both fixturing and officiating.

Something I've theorised about for a while. So I definitely lean towards the corruption angle.

 

[Relativity]

I don't know what you guys think, I'm on a bit of a limb here but I have had a sneaking suspicion for many years - since the time that South Melbourne got pushed up to Sydney, to be precise - that the entire competition is totally compromised, or if you like, completely rigged.
I have been involved in football nearly all my life, since starting in under 11s at Queenscliff in 1978 and playing just shy of 100 games at Werribee in the pre - VFL days, and I have never played in , nor witnessed, a competition where there are so many upset results in one round, let alone a season, so many momentum swings within games, and indeed quarters, so many weird and completely nonsensical umpiring decisions, so many so called highly paid professionals fluffing easy shots in front of goal ( Westhoff vs Gold Coast in 2011 I am sure you'll all recall ) and so on and so on. The semi against Hawthorn just underpins this suspicion as the officiating was so blatantly biased.

I'm not au fait with all the modern expressions ( is it tin foil hat theory? ) that people use to laugh this sort of thing off, and I do appreciate that it may sound a bit far fetched, however, there are a number of individual events over the years that set off red flags, a few involving Port.
I don't buy this hogwash about ' even competition ' and ' draft equalisation ' for a minute. Draft equalisations have been going on in regional competitions for years now and have not resulted in any evening up of competitions and in fact have resulted in poorly performing clubs going further backwards ( eg Newcomb in Bellarine league.)

It strikes me as heavily suss for one thing that the main source of revenue for the AFL these days is the TV rights, and the base of all the TV and cable networks is in Sydney. Lo and behold, the two Sydney teams are consistently in the top echelons and Sydney in particular gets a very good ride with both fixturing and officiating.

Something I've theorised about for a while. So I definitely lean towards the corruption angle.

An umpire was caught revealing Brownlow votes to mates 3 or 4 years ago. Not that many would remember. There was more talk about Hinkley airplaning last Friday. Funny/not funny what the media choose to shine the spotlight on and what gets side stepped.
It is a billion dollar industry with a lot of teat suckers. The media is the biggest teat sucker followed by the gambling industry which is an incestuous relationship in itself. Yes there is corruption. To what extent we mere plebs can only guess, but I expect it is more extensive than anyone in the know would be game enough to reveal.

 

[Lighthouse End]

An umpire was caught revealing Brownlow votes to mates 3 or 4 years ago. Not that many would remember. There was more talk about Hinkley airplaning last Friday. Funny/not funny what the media choose to shine the spotlight on and what gets side stepped.
It is a billion dollar industry with a lot of teat suckers. The media is the biggest teat sucker followed by the gambling industry which is an incestuous relationship in itself. Yes there is corruption. To what extent we mere plebs can only guess, but I expect it is more extensive than anyone in the know would be game enough to reveal.

One particular example I remember clearly was the week before the Port / Collingwood QF in 2002. I was living in Melbourne at the time and there was an enormous hullabaloo about the potential for a non Vic week should Port and Brisbane both win their QF's and earn the right to host prelims. Both SA & Qld State Premiers were ready with legal advice against the AFL should that scenario ensue. Then Buckley was ruled out of the game with injury early in the week, and there was an interview on Fox Footy with Paul Licuria during which it was stated that winning against Port in Adelaide without Buckley was almost impossible, but Licuria's body language showed several deceit gestures. I'm no body language expert, but I've read enough Allan Pease books to be alert to recognising gesture clusters. On the basis of that 10 minute interview, I was convinced Collingwood would win, The rest, as they say, is history....

Watch and listen closely enough, there are several subversive clues to what's going on.

 

[snozulu]

There's been match fixing in cricket so it's definitely a possibility with all of the other dodgy shit that comes out of VFL house and the conflict of interest with gambling companies etc.

 

[Vagabond0]

What happened to umpires putting the whistle away in finals.

Let them play ffs

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

The 4 drongoes who umpired the Hawks SF. All finals at this link.

Umpire Appointments - AFL / AFLW - AFLUA

Competition Toyota AFL Premiership NAB AFLW

aflua.com.au

8 - Brett Rosebury 11 - Curtis Deboy 12 - Andrew Stephens 16 - Brendan Hosking
Boundary umps Jordan Russell

Jordan Russell

Age

38

Ht

188cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.1

4star

K

8.3

3star

HB

6.9

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.4

3star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.4

5star

, Damien Main, Josh Mather, Ben MacDonald, couple of them were gutless.

Other SF
2 - Nick Foot 20 - Jamie Broadbent 21 - Simon Meredith 26 - Craig Fleer
Boundary umps Nicholas Phillips Michael Marantelli Joshua Furman Ian Burrows

PF's Our vs Sydney, can't believe only Rosebury got the chop
9 - Matt Stevic 11 - Curtis Deboy 12 - Andrew Stephens 16 - Brendan Hosking
Boundary umps Matthew Konetschka, Damien Main, Michael Barlow, Daniel Field-Read

Other PF Gee v Bris
2 - Nick Foot 21 - Simon Meredith 22 - Nathan Williamson 26 - Craig Fleer
Boundary Umps Matthew Tomkins, Nicholas Phillips, Ben MacDonald, Ian Burrows

GF umps
2 - Nick Foot 9 - Matt Stevic 21 - Simon Meredith 26 - Craig Fleer
Boundary umps Matthew Tomkins, Matthew Konetschka, Michael Barlow, Daniel Field-Read


So none of the 4 drongoes who umpired our SF v Hawks, or the 4 boundary umpires from the game got a GF gig. So it wasn't just Port fans who knew that they were incompetent and corrupt, but their bosses as well.

 

[GremioPower]

The 4 drongoes who umpired the Hawks SF. All finals at this link.

Umpire Appointments - AFL / AFLW - AFLUA

Competition Toyota AFL Premiership NAB AFLW

aflua.com.au

8 - Brett Rosebury 11 - Curtis Deboy 12 - Andrew Stephens 16 - Brendan Hosking
Boundary umps Jordan Russell, Damien Main, Josh Mather, Ben MacDonald, couple of them were gutless.

Other SF
2 - Nick Foot 20 - Jamie Broadbent 21 - Simon Meredith 26 - Craig Fleer
Boundary umps Nicholas Phillips Michael Marantelli Joshua Furman Ian Burrows

PF's Our vs Sydney, can't believe only Rosebury got the chop
9 - Matt Stevic 11 - Curtis Deboy 12 - Andrew Stephens 16 - Brendan Hosking
Boundary umps Matthew Konetschka, Damien Main, Michael Barlow, Daniel Field-Read

Other PF Gee v Bris
2 - Nick Foot 21 - Simon Meredith 22 - Nathan Williamson 26 - Craig Fleer
Boundary Umps Matthew Tomkins, Nicholas Phillips, Ben MacDonald, Ian Burrows

GF umps
2 - Nick Foot 9 - Matt Stevic 21 - Simon Meredith 26 - Craig Fleer
Boundary umps Matthew Tomkins, Matthew Konetschka, Michael Barlow, Daniel Field-Read


So none of the 4 drongoes who umpired our SF v Hawks, or the 4 boundary umpires from the game got a GF gig. So it wasn't just Port fans who knew that they were incompetent and corrupt, but their bosses as well.

They've used only 10 field umpires for the last 5 matches (20 spots):

2. Nick Foot: 3 (SF, Lions/PF, Lions/GF)
21. Simon Meredith: 3 (SF, Lions/PF, Lions/GF)
26. Craig Fleer: 3 (SF, Lions/PF, Lions/GF)
9. Matt Stevic: 2 (---/PF, Port/GF)
11. Curtis Deboy: 2 (SF, Port/PF, Port/---)
12. Andrew Stephens: 2 (SF, Port/PF, Port/---)
16. Brendan Hosking: 2 (SF, Port/PF, Port/---)
22. Nathan Williamson: 1 (---/PF, Lions/---)
8. Brett Rosebury: 1 (SF, Port/---/---)
20. Jamie Broadbent: 1 (SF, Lions/---/---)

Three of them umpired all 3 matches of the Lions.

Boundary umpires were a bit better distributed. There were 12 of them. None got 3 matches:

Daniel Field-Read: 2 (---/PF, Port/GF)
Matthew Konetschka: 2 (---/PF, Port/GF)
Michael Barlow: 2 (---/PF, Port/GF)
Matthew Tomkins: 2 (---/PF, Lions/GF)
Damien Main: 2 (SF, Port/PF, Port/---)
Ben MacDonald: 2 (SF, Port/PF, Lions/---)
Ian Burrows: 2 (SF, Lions/PF, Lions/---)
Nicholas Phillips: 2 (SF, Lions/PF, Lions/---)
Jordan Russell: 1 (SF, Port/---/---)
Josh Mather: 1 (SF, Port/---/---)
Joshua Furman: 1 (SF, Lions/---/---)
Michael Marantelli: 1 (SF, Lions/---/---)

I am all in favour of crews, but why not use them in games with different teams?!

 

[ibd77]

I am a firm believer that field umpires should stay in small teams of 5-6 for the entire season so they can work together on standardizing their interpretations and provide a more consistent performance.

 

[GremioPower]

I am a firm believer that field umpires should stay in small teams of 5-6 for the entire season so they can work together on standardizing their interpretations and provide a more consistent performance.

I have been saying the same thing for years.