Umpiring

[smurfin]

I think it was necessary to bring in the "protect the head" rules. Including the concussion protocols and the medical sub.
AFL trying to avoid legal action down the track - Shane Tuck

Shane Tuck

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42

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23.4

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11.4

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12.0

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4.5

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3.7

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5.0

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14.8

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9.2

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5.6

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1.4

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, Danny Frawley, Greg Williams, etc.
This creates a tricky umpire interpretation for "ducking" as first priority needs to be protect the head.
Also tricky for what constitutes a "dangerous tackle". What was formerly a perfect technique of pinning an arm and spinning a player into the ground can now get you suspended.
Those were necessary rule changes and came with their fair share of inconsistencies - eg player receiving a free when they barrel head first into a stationary player. But they seem to be generally accepted now, even if players like Selwood can exploit them.

I don't see any of the other rule changes being necessary - should only be made if they are going to make things simpler so decisions are more consistent.

 

[db26]

We have gone from Hocking to Scott even worse in my view. Scott had a mouth on him and stood up what he believed previously , you can see his a yes man now controlled by the afl blind Freddy can see that.

Screw the afl they don't own the game the fans do little do they know they want to control everything the media , players , clubs , fans , tribunal you name it it's a pity we don't have enough people in footy who have the balls to call them out.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

This graph shows us absolutely nothing. The top graph shows free kicks for are about 17.5 - 20.5 per team and the bottom one shows the same. In fact if you put the same scale on the top one as the bottom then the difference would be more stark on frees against.

You are spot on about the scale. But what the graphs do show is that over the period measured(not provided?) Richmond are both the most penalised and the least infringed team in the AFL.

 

[smasha]

Still cotton balls stuffed in media's mouths over the O'Gorman rort.

Unreal ,AFL have gaffa taped them.

20 more frees 5 frees is a certain goal if not more so you do the maths.

MEDIA open ya lips and cut the AFL puppet strings!!!!

 

[Jack5]

Dimma's presser - "we need our players to get better at extracting frees". This sport is ****ed.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Dimma's presser - "we need our players to get better at extracting frees". This sport is f’ed.

Essentially says we aren’t getting paid the same frees as other teams and confirmed what a lot of us have been saying

 

[Ctl]

Interesting to hear Dimma say pretty much the same thing pendleburry said about the "arms out" and blaming a media over reaction, directive from the AFL?

 

[Mr Magic]

Dimma's presser - "we need our players to get better at extracting frees". This sport is f’ed.

The fans are pissed, club needs to concentrate on draft picks

They get up the fans yelling at Adam Goodes, they are about to see when some fans are really pissed I think

 

[Mr Magic]

It would be funny if fans rolled up to the G in groups with signs and other messages, "F the AFL rules body!!!"

"The game has been ruined by AFL HQ!!"

 

[db26]

Interesting to hear Dimma say pretty much the same thing pendleburry said about the "arms out" and blaming a media over reaction, directive from the AFL?

The afl owns 90% of the media and control it.

 

[smasha]

Dimma's presser - "we need our players to get better at extracting frees". This sport is f’ed.

Love that comment,the reverse troll by Dimma.

 

[Boston tiger]

Dimma's presser - "we need our players to get better at extracting frees". This sport is f’ed.

That adds up. We don’t **** about and in finals when umpires don’t **** about we seem to do ok.

 

[Punt rd end]

Essentially says we aren’t getting paid the same frees as other teams and confirmed what a lot of us have been saying

I'm not sure of the accuracy but not hard to agree with it

 

[SplintWhisky]

I'm not sure of the accuracy but not hard to agree with it

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When I took a look at this last year (around the Brisbane game) I decided to do a deep dive into the frees for the season for all clubs. I tried to go into it to prove that Richmond wasn't getting a raw deal (the null hypothesis approach as the scientists here would know).

When going through the data I decided the main arguments that most fans levy about lopsided frees for us
1. We play a style that gives away frees
2. A free kick count doesn't need to be close to even if they are all there.

To argue against those two questions I decided that the tally's were useless figures and it was the frequencies that mattered i.e. how many free kicks does a side usually give away and how many did they give away against the tigers. For example if Brisbane gave away 20 frees a game, how many did they give away when playing the tigers.

From memory I found that a majority of teams that we played gave away less free kicks than in 80% of their other matches.

In technical terms when a side played us they would on average give away 1 standard deviation less frees than their average.

To me this just highlighted a clear bias as we were one of the few teams that this consistently balled to.

 

[Not Important]

Interesting to hear Dimma say pretty much the same thing pendleburry said about the "arms out" and blaming a media over reaction, directive from the AFL?

and hasn't there been a media pile on. how dare anyone criticise these entitled jerks. robinson almost had a conniption.

 

[Not Important]

The afl owns 90% of the media and control it.

wut!!!!!!!

 

[dusty1234!]

Anyone wanna rant instead for me?
This umpire dissent or whatever pissant rule they've pulled out their backwards arse

I cannot believe what I am watching. Is this really what our game has come to?

 

[Thrasher97]

Anyone wanna rant instead for me?
This umpire dissent or whatever pissant rule they've pulled out their backwards arse

I cannot believe what I am watching. Is this really what our game has come to?

Frustrating, didn't watch till 4th quarter but saw "that 50".

 

[Thrasher97]

Don't like this campaigner but he speaks the truth, he'll get a fine or a please explain from the AFL machine

 

[max250295]

Anyone wanna rant instead for me?
This umpire dissent or whatever pissant rule they've pulled out their backwards arse

I cannot believe what I am watching. Is this really what our game has come to?

Past that point, have stopped watching

 

[RJK Tiger]

RJK Tiger The reality is we are either being reamed by the umpiring - or the coaching is shithouse. Any team that constantly gives away 30-80% more free's than their opponent must be ill coached.

Stuck record. Another I’ll informed ridiculous post.

33-13 free kick count is not about the 33.
The problem is the 13 we get. Nothing to do with us.
Think about the issue and lob your “Hardwick is a shit coach” when you actually understand what genuine footy people are talking about.

You are totally missing the point.

Its either

a) The umpiring directive is to be bias against us

or

b) Dimma is a shit coach as the team constantly plays with a lack of discipline that leads to them giving away almost always more free kicks in the same game.

the 33-13 is definitely the issue. 33 is a huge number. 13 is a very small number. Generally if you give away 33 you are playing with a lack of care. If you only get 13, it generally means you are 2nd to the ball, not playing in front etc. 8x50's in a game is a huge number too.

If we are getting far less than these within the same game with the same umpire interpretation of the rules, & this is happening fare more often than not - there needs to be explanation & these 2 options are pretty much the only one's i see that are viable. What is the 3rd?

I hear a lot of people saying "yo crazy", but not a lot of people actually trying to explain why its happening

In 2017 for example, we had quite a poor record of free kicks and 50s. This had a lot to do with our style of play. We were giving away a lot of professional free kicks, or holding onto the opponents after free kicks in a deliberate attempt to hold up our opponent to slow down the play, & set up our defensive system behind the ball. It was a deliberate strategy from us - but it was worth the pain as our system was so great. Effectively we knew that even though we will give away free kicks and 50's - the extra time that allows us to set up our system aids our gameplan. The reward outweighed the penalty. Kinda like big businesses committing Tax crimes, often the saved money is more impressive than the overall fine.

In 2018 you may recall they changed the rule to be "hotter" on those 50's and we saw a similar growth in those types of 50s, especially earlier in the season. It made sense at that point as the AFL caught onto what we were doing & made a directive to "cut it out". Again, the pain was worth the result as our system is working great.

The issue we have now is its 3-4 years later and the AFL has amped up all these things another 300%, effectively stamping it out completely. Our system is no longer working great, we are losing & yet our stats in these area's are actually worse, they are not aiding our chances of winning at all, if anything is is severely hurting them

Basically, (from memory) we have had the worst free kick differential for 6 years straight, as well as the worst 50m penalty record. For the first few years this was explained as it was quite literally built into our gameplan and contributed to a winning system. But, we are now well into our 2nd year where our system is not contributing to winning & these statistics are blowing out to new highs across the board, especially when weighed against the "league average"

Therefore the reason for the discrepancy needs to be placed at the feet of Dimma & his inability to have a plan B or un-train the playing group to stop using these tactics....or.... he had done this but the AFL is showing a strong bias towards paying these free's against us, or not for us. Most of us are watching multiple games per week & most of us feel the games get umpired quite differently pending who is playing. So, whats the answer?

 

[Do the Dew]

When I took a look at this last year (around the Brisbane game) I decided to do a deep dive into the frees for the season for all clubs. I tried to go into it to prove that Richmond wasn't getting a raw deal (the null hypothesis approach as the scientists here would know).

When going through the data I decided the main arguments that most fans levy about lopsided frees for us
1. We play a style that gives away frees
2. A free kick count doesn't need to be close to even if they are all there.

To argue against those two questions I decided that the tally's were useless figures and it was the frequencies that mattered i.e. how many free kicks does a side usually give away and how many did they give away against the tigers. For example if Brisbane gave away 20 frees a game, how many did they give away when playing the tigers.

From memory I found that a majority of teams that we played gave away less free kicks than in 80% of their other matches.

In technical terms when a side played us they would on average give away 1 standard deviation less frees than their average.

To me this just highlighted a clear bias as we were one of the few teams that this consistently balled to.

I remember reading your full post as you dived into the stats. That was my recollection too - that when a team plays against us, they somehow give away far less free kicks than they ordinarily would. As others have been saying, I don't mind if we give a few extra away based on our gamestyle / attack on the man. But the fact we get **** all in return is alarming.

 

[Maybenextyear]

Last nights umpiring was an absolute mess. When you watch a game where you don’t care who wins and the umpiring stands out there is a real problem.

The stand out of the night was when a Saints player was given a 50 against after he pointed to the ground saying the ball hit the ground before it was marked . It resulted in a goal. I just find footy frustrating to watch along with the media puppets that cheer this crap on.

 

[smasha]

The AFL and Shocking studied us to change the rules,that's the 100 percent truth.
Has any sporting league in the history of World Sport,changed the rules because of one team dominating?

 

[This Is Anfield]

Last nights umpiring was an absolute mess. When you watch a game where you don’t care who wins and the umpiring stands out there is a real problem.

The stand out of the night was when a Saints player was given a 50 against after he pointed to the ground saying the ball hit the ground before it was marked . It resulted in a goal. I just find footy frustrating to watch along with the media puppets that cheer this crap on.

Have just watched a clip of that fifty!
It’s impossible to justify on any level.
Do they want the game to be played without any passion or emotion at all?