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[stefcep]

Where did I suggest this?

Source plz.

It was one suggestion which I thought might be effective and a better look than locking them up.

 

[faible]

The posts overnight resemble a cut snake, flailing, aimless, venomous. More lies and misinformation spewed about why this is a terrible moment for the world or the American people, frightening racism and classism shown by some, a lack of economic understanding, a lack of political understanding. Overwhelmingly the evenings discussion is reminiscent of talking to an AI LLM trained on CNN sound bites.

The talk of cutting off friends and family are worse. You should know that you are the minority. For every handful of people who actively and vocally support Trump in your life, there are 100% more who do so silently. You think right leaning and centrist individuals are the minority - but they are merely silent. Not looking to offend you or your delicate introspective position. Know that you are the odd one out.

Again, it's okay. You are forgiving for your ignorance, your hatred, your disrespect to others. Take some time, let the result breathe. Embrace your friends and family as people and walk forward.

Trump isn't centrist.

US politics isn't centrist in any meaningful way, by most of the western worlds standards US politics is quite far right.

 

[faible]

It was one suggestion which I thought might be effective and a better look than locking them up.

Where did I suggest this?

Source plz.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

All well and good when people are prepared to pay more for that product.

Society has become so used to getting the product for the cheapest amount. And the only way this occurs is by businesses producing said products in areas of the world where the cost is lower.

If you wish to buy the local product, it has to be reasonably priced. Otherwise, the company will suffer a hit to its bottom line, and it will try to ensure that the workers do not get the deserved wage.

I don't think that's true at all.

Tech haven't developed anything groundbreaking in years and people still pay the same price for the new phone that is 0.5%, 1% better.

People pay for brand more than product these days.

 

[stefcep]

Council rates, fees and charges are not taxes.


Land tax applies for investment properties only.

Taxes are a mandatory contribution levied on corporations or individuals to finance government activities and public services

 

[Wce17]

Let’s be honest nothing will really change for the large percentage of Americans. Trump might say he’s drained the swamp that’s been around for years but it’s just going to get filled back up with more people who want the same power & wealth. It won’t be any different.

In 4 years time Americans will still be dissatisfied with the government & will think the new one will be better. It’s the same thing that always happens.

 

[YeoGabbaGabba]

I like to typically refrain from politics on here especially given the tension there seems to be here and the assumptions that can be made supporting a side (I’d never support anyone blindly or agree with everything they say). What I do absolutely agree with Kamala on actually is we have more in common then what separates us - and hopefully in the future (regardless of what you think) we may not be so divisive as it feels like now. Personally I was wanting Trump to win, but I’d never hate anyone with a different opinion or ever base my own thoughts of the hatred of something else or throw away a relationship with somebody because we may have a few different perspectives and world view.

We’re all human at the end of the day

 

[faible]

I don't think that's true at all.

Tech haven't developed anything groundbreaking in years and people still pay the same price for the new phone that is 0.5%, 1% better.

People pay for brand more than product these days.

Don't think what's true?

Nothing in your post was a reply to what he wrote

 

[Zidane98]

Taxes are a mandatory contribution levied on corporations or individuals to finance government activities and public services

There you go, you answered your own question.


Renters dont pay council rates. Owner occupiers don't pay land tax.


Every single person who earns over the min income threshold must pay income tax. Eevery single person must pay GST on eligible goods and services that attract 10% GST.


GST and income tax are the only mandatory taxes in Australia.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

All well and good when people are prepared to pay more for that product.

Society has become so used to getting the product for the cheapest amount. And the only way this occurs is by businesses producing said products in areas of the world where the cost is lower.

If you wish to buy the local product, it has to be reasonably priced. Otherwise, the company will suffer a hit to its bottom line, and it will try to ensure that the workers do not get the deserved wage.

A massive falsehood exists that China is like 10x cheaper or 2x cheaper. Its not always the case

Ive done some work in importing stuff from China for a few places where the price to import from China is more expensive then making it locally (shipping costs) but because of the inability to source enough of the product locally (no manufacturing here) you go to China instead to get it to get the required stock.

Clothing is a good example of that. Medical supplies another example too. Main issue comes with technology. That is something even Biden admitted and was actually doing some good work in turning the tide against. Both Biden/Trump shared the same philsophies on this so suspect the crunch against the Chinese tech manufcaturing will just continue as is

 

[ElectricG]

The posts overnight resemble a cut snake, flailing, aimless, venomous. More lies and misinformation spewed about why this is a terrible moment for the world or the American people, frightening racism and classism shown by some, a lack of economic understanding, a lack of political understanding. Overwhelmingly the evenings discussion is reminiscent of talking to an AI LLM trained on CNN sound bites.

The talk of cutting off friends and family are worse. You should know that you are the minority. For every handful of people who actively and vocally support Trump in your life, there are 100% more who do so silently. You think right leaning and centrist individuals are the minority - but they are merely silent. Not looking to offend you or your delicate introspective position. Know that you are the odd one out.

Again, it's okay. You are forgiven for your ignorance, your hatred, your disrespect to others. Take some time, let the result breathe. Embrace your friends and family as people and walk forward.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying about ending friendships over this etc. But do you acknowledge that Trump is not a smart, decent, or honest person in any capacity whatsoever?

 

[stefcep]

Where did I suggest this?

Source plz.

The point is the only way your wishes will come true is if a party that wants you want is voted in and that is the hard left. And voting for that party won't be enough to overcome those who will vote otherwise. SO you either supress their vote or lock them up, which has actual precedent under the hard left.

 

[samFFC]

The other demographics didn't change much but Latinos did massively .

Fair, but there were more white voters this time. Perhaps 5m more than last time. When you are 2/3 of the electorate, your voting pattern matters a lot.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

At least you accept inflation happened under Trump?

It happened under both but in the end Trump had 3 months to fix it and Biden had 4 years. Biden gotta wear most of the blame in that one

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Don't think what's true?

Nothing in your post was a reply to what he wrote

I wasn't responding to you. I have you on ignore.

Were you quoted. If so it was a glitch.

I was responding about people wanting to pay the least for products when that clearly isn't true.

 

[black is White]

You got any facts or studies to support any of these claims?

I do:

Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate

An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and...

nij.ojp.gov

Undocumented Immigrants commit fewer crimes than Documented Immigrants, who commit fewer crimes than US Born Citizens.

If your best argument is 'oh they committed a crime via entering' then that doesn't at all support the rest of your post.

Well I guess the human and drug trafficking is a non issue for you and empowering the cartels is perfectly fine and we should all just have open borders, hell lets just all unlock our own doors and let anyone/everyone in without any questions.

Exclusive | How Aurora, Colo., became a migrant gang war zone after Tren de Aragua took over apartment complexes in quiet suburb

One Aurora native described fleeing her apartment with her family after gangs moved in. “We were scared to stay there and we knew it was gonna get worse,” Jessica Montenegro said.

nypost.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/26/us/jocelyn-nungaray-killing-houston

Afghan Arrested in Election Day Terror Plot Entered U.S. under Biden-Harris Parole Program | FAIRUS.org

An Afghan national released in the United States on immigration parole reportedly expected to die in an Election Day terrorist attack and planned to carry it out in support of ISIS.

www.fairus.org

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/01/nyregion/5-year-old-r*ped-long-island-immigration.html

There are plenty of cases world wide of some extreme actions from illegal immigrants from rape on trains in France to a famous beheading in England in broad daylight.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Bizarre.

Her policies were far more defined than Trump's and if you read them, offered more potential wins for the working class. And attacking (democrats, immigrants) was all Trump did, along with his usual detail-free promises of "I will fix it".

Its vibes, as others have said its not about policy anymore in the US, its personalities. And probably timing more than anything else, whoever was in power during the covid recovery years when prices just went up no matter what goverments did were always a good chance to get turfed, especially so when you're as underwhelming and vanilla as the Democrats. The 2 elections he's one have been against women too, simply can't discount that as a factor in the US.

I asked you multiple times what her best policies were and you gave me non answers. Dont lie

 

[faible]

Let’s be honest nothing will really change for the large percentage of Americans. Trump might say he’s drained the swamp that’s been around for years but it’s just going to get filled back up with more people who want the same power & wealth. It won’t be any different.

In 4 years time Americans will still be dissatisfied with the government & will think the new one will be better. It’s the same thing that always happens.

My favourite QAnon fan friend on social media is convinced Trump is going to release the Diddy list and send Epstein's mates to jail.

Never mind that Epstein was killed during Trump's last Presidency and that didn't happen. THIS TIME IT WILL.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

My favourite QAnon fan friend on social media is convinced Trump is going to release the Diddy list and send Epstein's mates to jail.

Never mind that Epstein was killed during Trump's last Presidency and that didn't happen. THIS TIME IT WILL.

I dont think Trump will release it.

RFK jnr will.

Trump isnt that stupid.

 

[faible]

The point is the only way your wishes will come true is if a party that wants you want is voted in and that is the hard left. And voting for that party won't be enough to overcome those who will vote otherwise. SO you either supress their vote or lock them up, which has actual precedent under the hard left.

Government should be secular.

Not sure how you've taken this to mean people that follow a religion should be locked up or unable to vote.

 

[stefcep]

There you go, you answered your own question.


Renters dont pay council rates. Owner occupiers don't pay land tax.


Every single person who earns over the min income threshold must pay income tax. Eevery single person must pay GST on eligible goods and services that attract 10% GST.


GST and income tax are the only mandatory taxes in Australia.

Mandatory doesn't mean mandatory for everyone, all the time. If you are a landlord, if you are a home owner, if you buy property, if you use certain government services it is mandatory to pay the tax associated with it.

And you're analogy falls down comepletely with the GST- If someone never uses or buys a GST-item, they never pay GST Yet GST is a tax nevertheless.

 

[faible]

Well I guess the human and drug trafficking is a non issue for you and empowering the cartels is perfectly fine and we should all just have open borders, hell lets just all unlock our own doors and let anyone/everyone in without any questions.

Exclusive | How Aurora, Colo., became a migrant gang war zone after Tren de Aragua took over apartment complexes in quiet suburb

One Aurora native described fleeing her apartment with her family after gangs moved in. “We were scared to stay there and we knew it was gonna get worse,” Jessica Montenegro said.

nypost.com

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/06/26/us/jocelyn-nungaray-killing-houston

Afghan Arrested in Election Day Terror Plot Entered U.S. under Biden-Harris Parole Program | FAIRUS.org

An Afghan national released in the United States on immigration parole reportedly expected to die in an Election Day terrorist attack and planned to carry it out in support of ISIS.

www.fairus.org

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/01/nyregion/5-year-old-r*ped-long-island-immigration.html

There are plenty of cases world wide of some extreme actions from illegal immigrants from rape on trains in France to a famous beheading in England in broad daylight.

Sounds like you're relying on anecdotal evidence.

Some illegal immigrants do commit crimes. Most don't. They commit crimes at a lesser rate than both legal immigrants and American born citizens.

So there's simply not an illegal immigrant crime epidemic.

 

[stefcep]

Government should be secular.

Not sure how you've taken this to mean people that follow a religion should be locked up or unable to vote.

You say government should be secular. Others don't agree with you. You can vote on that issue and see how it goes.

 

[smelly cat]

Difficult to achieve but no harm in trying, something needs to be done though and no head burying.

Agree not only there but here too. In USA start with billionaires.

Don't really understand this one.

Tariffs separate to taxation and is more complicated than increasing with countries and throwing agreements out as will directly affect us. A shaky China which will impact their economy will affect our exports. Example is the Soy beans farmers, China retaliated which then Trump had to give grants ($7.3B) to affected farmers. He needs to be careful as China can find alternative countries. Brazil is China's No.1 exporter of Soy Beans, USA second biggest.

That is why countries have agreements, don't like them, renegotiate not ad hoc increases just because.

I find if I read something and doesn't ring true or right, I tend to research more about it and try to read pros and cons then make up my own mind.

I disagree with the mindset of fixing the tax system by "starting with the billionaires."
We shouldn't be "targeting" anyone who hasn't broken a law. They've just been incredibly successful and good on them.

Serious question: is there justification for targeting them besides the fact they have a lot of money?

I also think it would be a futile exercise. Even allowing for a successful windfall from billionaires, you've just kicked the debt can down the road. You can't tax your way to prosperity.

I see the real issue as being government waste and expenditure.

Also interested in your thoughts on tariffs.
I don't think it is a predictable as you may think. Remember when China put a ban on our coal import (not a tariff of course, but still a directive that altered a major trade pathway) and the doomsayers thought it would be a disaster? Our coal was snapped up by other countries and onsold to China for a premium! Like anything else, tariffs and can be managed well or poorly. The devil is in the detail.

 

[faible]

I dont think Trump will release it.

RFK jnr will.

Trump isnt that stupid.

Doubt RFK Jnr will be doing much at all. Whatever he once stood for or believed in, is not what he is today.