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Here is US Politics - Pt 1
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Her father (and her) trace their ancestry directly from the Black racial groups of Africa.
Her father is an Afro Jamaican (a Jamacain man, who has ancestry from Africa). Kamila (who has the same ancestry from Africa, but who was born and raised in the USA) is thus 'African-American.'
It's like how my own ancestry traces back to the British isles (mostly). The people of the British isles are a combination of multiple ethnic groups (Celts, Angles, Normans, Saxons, Jutes etc) with the modern terms for the admixed ethnic groups of Britain usually one of either 'English', 'Welsh' 'Cornish' or 'Scottish' or even just 'British'.
The accepted term for my ethnicity is 'Anglo-Australian'.
All of this simply highlights the absurdity of 'race' as some kind of biological construct (it's not). Literally every person on earth is an admixture of multiple races and ethnic groups (many of which are now extinct), all of whom originated in a single ethnic group which spread out from Africa around 100,000 years ago.
Race is a social construct. Kamila is Black and Asian, and identifies (and is accepted as) both an African American and an Asian American (having ancestry that traces back directly to those continents).
What a strange little man you areNo the MSM brought race into by celebrating she might be the first black woman President.
Certainly she wasn't raised with any African influence.Apparently they are not on speaking terms?
Thanks for the lecture but that's not how it's framed in the US.
No, for being so triggered by it.What for pointing out the obvious.
No, for being so triggered by it.
MSM outlets make banal factually correct statement - stop the press! Are they not allowed to mention it or something? Would it be ok if they just noted she could be the first woman POTUS, is it just the 'black' part thats annoying you? Are they allowed to mention it if she wins, or still nah? Just trying to get the rules straight here
Meanwhile Trump, the GOP and their dutiful little parrots (even on a footy website on the other side of the world) are literally saying she isn't black, just lol
You look at this and somehow decide its MSM outlets that are the problem here. Absolutely incredible
Her idea of reparations might differ from the commonly held meaning of the word in america.https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/...escendant-of-an-irish-slave-owner-in-jamaica/
That said, I dont know either way. She probably acknowledges it, but doesnt identify as Irish, in the same way I do with my Aboriginal ancestry.
In comparison to Harris/the media? Thats correctThe campaigner that brought race into it was Trump remember.
Black =/= African American.FFS, just looking at her and it's obvious she's of black ancestry.
Is she misrepresenting her lineage?
Why do you bend the knee to Hamas when they’d kill you in an instant?How was the Mossad orientation day?
Are you trying to tell me President Obama does not consider himself to be (and is not accepted as) an African American?
Why do you bend the knee to Hamas when they’d kill you in an instant?
He's not. His father is Kenyan and his mother is a white American.
Zero ties to the black American culture that traces its history to the history of slaves in the US.
The reason the term African American is a thing is because people didn't know from which parts of Africa their ancestors came from.
Obama knows exactly from what nations his family comes from.
Irish or Italian Americans don't call themselves European Americans do they?
You bend the knee and so much moreThat sounds like something Mossad would say.
Being against apartheid and genocide doesn't mean bending a knee to Hamas.
You bend the knee and so much more
He's not. His father is Kenyan and his mother is a white American.
Zero ties to the black American culture that traces its history to the history of slaves in the US.
That has nothing to do with being African American.
If you are an American, and descend from one of the black ethnic groups in Africa, you're an African American.
You don't need a slave ancestor for ****s sake.
You pushing the nonsense that only black people are African now?
What? Africa is home to thousands of ethnic groups. Most of them have dark skin ('black Africans') but many do not (Arabian and Semitic peoples, White south Africans, Afrikaners etc).
I'm saying that the term 'African American' as an ethnic group is taken to mean an American, with descent from one of the dark skinned peoples of Africa (for example one of the hundreds of Bantu ethnic groups).
An American with a (white) Afrikaner parent or grandparent (such as Charlize Theron) would not be considered to be an African American, and would not be accepted as such by other African Americans.
Yes she's African, and yes she's American, but the context for 'African American' and how it's used requires a 'black' parent or grandparent.
I'm not saying any of the above is logical, or makes sense by the way. Race (and ethnicity) is a social construct. It comes with entirely arbitrary rules that generally lack consistency and vary between (and within) ethnic groups.
Of course it's not logical. It's been co-opted by left wing twats.
If something can't stand up to scrutiny when a scenario is reversed elsewhere then it's a load of nonsense.
But is he 'black' though?He's not. His father is Kenyan and his mother is a white American.
Zero ties to the black American culture that traces its history to the history of slaves in the US.
The reason the term African American is a thing is because people didn't know from which parts of Africa their ancestors came from.
Obama knows exactly from what nations his family comes from.
Irish or Italian Americans don't call themselves European Americans do they?
You think 'left wing twats' are responsible for how humanity have always defined ethnic groups?
You think White Nationalists and the KKK are 'left wing twats' do you?
I actually agree. Ethnic groups are a load of nonsense. 'White' 'Black' 'Germanic' etc, They're all social constructs.
That said, they exist as social constructs and we're stuck with what he have.
Again, look at how the KKK and similar groups define a 'white person'. It's usually worded in such a way as to exclude Slavic and Semitic peoples (who are often whiter than Western Europeans) by having some kind of arbitrary geographical boundaries imposed.
Or look at how Native Americans classify Native Americans ('1/4 blood to qualify') as opposed to Aboriginal Australians (all you need is some descent, self identification, and mutual acceptance). Or look at how Jewish people count membership (blood is not important at all, you just need to convert to the religion).
The lines of demarcation separating ethnic groups are arbitrary, and differ from group to group.
That said, you're a fool if you're blaming 'der left' for the above nonsense. 'Lefties' didn't invent ethnic groups or how we count membership in them now matter how you want to spruike it.
You think 'left wing twats' are responsible for how humanity have always defined ethnic groups?
You think White Nationalists and the KKK are 'left wing twats' do you?
I actually agree. Ethnic groups are a load of nonsense. 'White' 'Black' 'Germanic' etc, They're all social constructs.
That said, they exist as social constructs and we're stuck with what he have.
Again, look at how the KKK and similar groups define a 'white person'. It's usually worded in such a way as to exclude Slavic and Semitic peoples (who are often whiter than Western Europeans) by having some kind of arbitrary geographical boundaries imposed.
Or look at how Native Americans classify Native Americans ('1/4 blood to qualify') as opposed to Aboriginal Australians (all you need is some descent, self identification, and mutual acceptance). Or look at how Jewish people count membership (blood is not important at all, you just need to convert to the religion).
The lines of demarcation separating ethnic groups are arbitrary, and differ from group to group.
That said, you're a fool if you're blaming 'der left' for the above nonsense. 'Lefties' didn't invent ethnic groups or how we count membership in them now matter how you want to spruike it.