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Gia77 said:
Two key notes/issues/queries with this will be, finals game qualification and promotion/relegation. Happy to hear everyone thoughts on this, perhaps if I'm able, I'll draft my own proposed teams for 2022 in the divisions. I think promotion relegation should be partly nominated this season, ie D1 teams can argue all 3 top teams should go up.

As for games qualified, that's an interesting one. Seniors minimum 6 games, reserves minimum 3 (with no more than 6 in senior team). That's my guess but Im sure others will think differently.
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still think a 2 up 2 down system into play via GF - prem is where it'll be interesting

for qualification I think they scrap the ressie side and go the if you've played more games in seniors you can't play lower rule.
 
HedgeFund said:
We were all pretty bummed when we went into Lockdown 5. Managed to reach zero positive cases with community exposure about 10 days afterwards (which seemed great). So we opened up for 8 days.

THEN we found two more clusters crop up from nowhere and Lockdown 6 began.

I can’t imagine we will be getting out of LD6 anywhere nears as quickly as we got out of LD5 because:

1. there are more cases in the community whilst infectious; and
2. Opening up swiftly from LD5 proved premature.

so I’d be astonished if there were any game of footy played before mid September (which means realistically no more games at all) 🥴
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Ordinarily I'd be inclined to agree with this. However with news just being released that regional Victoria is coming out of lockdown and community sport is back from this weekend, I think they will do something similar with Metro (once safe and all cases in iso). I just dont think it'll be for another 2 or so weeks but in time for when finals would have begun anyway (or close enough).
 

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Gia77 said:
Ordinarily I'd be inclined to agree with this. However with news just being released that regional Victoria is coming out of lockdown and community sport is back from this weekend, I think they will do something similar with Metro (once safe and all cases in iso). I just dont think it'll be for another 2 or so weeks but in time for when finals would have begun anyway (or close enough).
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Sincerely hope you’re proven correct.
 
pazza said:
Tipping should games go ahead, straight into finals and potentially only the grand finals having any crowds. There has been no real discussion on finals venues.
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I see it happening as follows:

1: Get out of lock down this weekend. Finish the last two games, then finals.
2: Get out of lock down next Thursday night, season ends, two week of training and straight into finals. Which could see finals start a week earlier.

Either way need to be very careful around health and well being of players. Clubs need to be taking pressure off teams/players/coaches, especially those teams who had high expectations for 2021 and fall at the last hurdle. Shite happens. Just be happy that the pig skin is being kicked around and oval.

I still believe 2 up and 2 down.

There isnt many teams who are 9th that are going to be unlucky to be relegated coz they didnt play all games.

Max "there is some sun out there somewhere" Leader
 
Navyblues09 said:
Looks good, 1 up 1 down would be harsh in some instances, especially Div 1 where just 3% separates first and second and they are yet to and unlikely to play each other.

Yet in Premier C there seems to be a clear bottom 2. In that case 2 up, 2 down would be fair. Maybe it’s something that should be done on a division by division basis? Then if there is disagreement a challenge system would be great.

But the problem is, has anything the VAFA ever done not been what’s best for Premier and stuff the rest?

It’s hard as well when clubs are peaking and they’ve already lost one season they could have been up, to lose another could really set some clubs back when they could be finally growing to compete up higher.
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A modified scenario: -

Opinion appears to be relatively unanimous amongst the Faithful regarding imbalanced placement finishes. There are, however, some anomalies, such as in Premier C and Division 1. Thus, Navy Blue’s suggestion of a Division by Division basis could slip in here.

As time is short, perhaps HandGrenade House abolishes the remainder of this season, starting ASAP with a final 6.

The bottom four clubs to play for the bottom two spots.

Then all clubs will have the opportunity of completing the season where they should have finished after a regular season.

Allow the Reserves to play out the season. Top wins flag - for discussion.

Just another possible pathway.
 
HedgeFund said:
We were all pretty bummed when we went into Lockdown 5. Managed to reach zero positive cases with community exposure about 10 days afterwards (which seemed great). So we opened up for 8 days.

THEN we found two more clusters crop up from nowhere and Lockdown 6 began.

I can’t imagine we will be getting out of LD6 anywhere nears as quickly as we got out of LD5 because:

1. there are more cases in the community whilst infectious; and
2. Opening up swiftly from LD5 proved premature.

so I’d be astonished if there were any game of footy played before mid September (which means realistically no more games at all) 🥴
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Well said Mr HedgeFund,
Realistically the ladders as they currently stand should see the bottom two relegated and finals commence immediately we are let out of the asylum, we need to finish the season asap and be done with it. Consign this season to history but we cannot lose two seasons in a row so we MUST maintain the relegation and promotion component IMO.
 
Mr Gold said:
Well said Mr HedgeFund,
Realistically the ladders as they currently stand should see the bottom two relegated and finals commence immediately we are let out of the asylum, we need to finish the season asap and be done with it. Consign this season to history but we cannot lose two seasons in a row so we MUST maintain the relegation and promotion component IMO.
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Finals no crowd season over as far as I am concerned.Who is going to police that one.
 
Voice of the G said:
So are you suggesting a grand final with no crowd rule that both teams supporters will do the right thing and stay away.lol
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Depends where they play it, but we had a few people ‘walking their dogs’ last time there was no crowds, so what? Rules are stupid. You can have 300 people together outdoors but zero if there is a game of footy on? WTF???
 

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Jascave said:
In hindsight, it was always going to be difficult for the VAFA to get the season completed on time, because there was a strong possibilty that Victoria would go into a lockdown or two during the course of the year, especially in the winter periods (June-August), seeing how Coronavirus really takes hold in that timeframe, taking last year into account.
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Surely Jas, there must be some good VAFA finals games from yesteryear on you-tube we could watch now the olympics are over.
 
Gia77 said:
D1 teams can argue all 3 top teams should go up.
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It is interesting you say that the top 3 teams can argue to go up. It does seem by briefly looking at the results this is the closest fought division. However; I think Old Mentonians would argue they should not be relegated.
I also think that if no more games are played even finals, then there will be no promotion or relegation. Look at D1, Old Geelong are sitting above Ormond currently on the ladder but they have played UHS twice where Ormond hasn’t played them at all. Meaning you can’t automatically put the top two up on the current standings.
if they get to play a finals series and only a top 4, Mazenod would feel hard done by missing out by a few percentage points.
 
RednWhite said:
It is interesting you say that the top 3 teams can argue to go up. It does seem by briefly looking at the results this is the closest fought division. However; I think Old Mentonians would argue they should not be relegated.
I also think that if no more games are played even finals, then there will be no promotion or relegation. Look at D1, Old Geelong are sitting above Ormond currently on the ladder but they have played UHS twice where Ormond hasn’t played them at all. Meaning you can’t automatically put the top two up on the current standings.
if they get to play a finals series and only a top 4, Mazenod would feel hard done by missing out by a few percentage points.
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The OI can argue that it hasn’t played Preston twice and Old Mentone once. Based on this, OI would be third. Swings and round abouts.

Max “can’t think of any thing to put in the middle of my name coz it’s too bloody early” Leader
 
Max Leader said:
I see it happening as follows:

1: Get out of lock down this weekend. Finish the last two games, then finals.
2: Get out of lock down next Thursday night, season ends, two week of training and straight into finals. Which could see finals start a week earlier.

Either way need to be very careful around health and well being of players. Clubs need to be taking pressure off teams/players/coaches, especially those teams who had high expectations for 2021 and fall at the last hurdle. sh*te happens. Just be happy that the pig skin is being kicked around and oval.

I still believe 2 up and 2 down.

There isnt many teams who are 9th that are going to be unlucky to be relegated coz they didnt play all games.

Max "there is some sun out there somewhere" Leader
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We will not be getting out of lockdown this week, not with 20 new cases...
 
RednWhite said:
It is interesting you say that the top 3 teams can argue to go up. It does seem by briefly looking at the results this is the closest fought division. However; I think Old Mentonians would argue they should not be relegated.
I also think that if no more games are played even finals, then there will be no promotion or relegation. Look at D1, Old Geelong are sitting above Ormond currently on the ladder but they have played UHS twice where Ormond hasn’t played them at all. Meaning you can’t automatically put the top two up on the current standings.
if they get to play a finals series and only a top 4, Mazenod would feel hard done by missing out by a few percentage points.
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Yes fair enough too. Same can be said my old mob North Brunny in D3 who are currently 5th (out of 8 teams). However have had the luxury of playing Albert Park 3 times... And they managed to beat Hawthorn in round 1 by 1 point after Hawthorn parted ways their coach 1 week before round 1 ((lots of 1's)). They have lost to Canterbury and Westbourne so in a sense, they would probably go down to D4 but its open to interpretation I suppose
 
Gia77 said:
Yes fair enough too. Same can be said my old mob North Brunny in D3 who are currently 5th (out of 8 teams). However have had the luxury of playing Albert Park 3 times... And they managed to beat Hawthorn in round 1 by 1 point after Hawthorn parted ways their coach 1 week before round 1 ((lots of 1's)). They have lost to Canterbury and Westbourne so in a sense, they would probably go down to D4 but its open to interpretation I suppose
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Hence an immediate Final 6 for top, and a final 4 for relegation. Will even out all anomalies.
 
That's why l believe no promotion/relegation. Then everyone in the same boat, we just go around again next year with hopefully better circumstances.
August 14 not happening, August 21 unlikely August 28 possible. That means 12 games out of 18 played. 1/3 of games missing
Trying to work out scenarios to finish off this year just not feasible. More important to just play games if possible for players well being. Clubs like Parkdale (if they still desire to go to C) can apply for it. Top Club from C invited to join B otherwise stay as is. Similar scenarios in each section. Cannot be using circumstances like" we didn't get to play the bottom side twice so unfair". Every Club has these scenarios so to work out each one and come up with a fair answer will be impossible.

Hopefully we do get to play finals but is it fair that top Clubs can play finals to get Promotion but bottom sides can't play to avoid relegation?? No it's not.

Disrupted season equals unfortunate circumstances and every Club has a different circumstance. Much more important is that Clubs survive and we are all playing again in 2022 in a much better World.

Just my opinion.
 
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Max Leader said:
The OI can argue that it hasn’t played Preston twice and Old Mentone once. Based on this, OI would be third. Swings and round abouts.

Max “can’t think of any thing to put in the middle of my name coz it’s too bloody early” Leader
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Are Ormond not in a similar position ? have played the top 2 ,2 times. , Preston once and haven’t played UHS at all .


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