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CARLTON2011 said:
Great post Mike.
Your point 4 is the crucial Club killer l see going forward.
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Clubs have struggled with volunteers since I can remember, its not a new phenomenon.
Interestingly, I was speaking to a coach of one of the divisional clubs and he was saying they have 15 players missing a game each week. They only have two sides and no junior link, but it goes to show, you get your house in order and clubs can flourish at any level.
Are players sick of the arms race in Premier A?? Bringing in AFL and VFL talent each year which pushes local kids down the pecking order. Maybe they are sick of it. Why fully commit when the club doesn't commit to you??
I was speaking to a player who left VFL footy to go play in Premier A with his old boy club who commented that his VAFA club was no different to the VFL team. No community, players just coming and going. Maybe that has a bit do with what is going on.
 
Mounzer11 said:
Clubs have struggled with volunteers since I can remember, its not a new phenomenon.
Interestingly, I was speaking to a coach of one of the divisional clubs and he was saying they have 15 players missing a game each week. They only have two sides and no junior link, but it goes to show, you get your house in order and clubs can flourish at any level.
Are players sick of the arms race in Premier A?? Bringing in AFL and VFL talent each year which pushes local kids down the pecking order. Maybe they are sick of it. Why fully commit when the club doesn't commit to you??
I was speaking to a player who left VFL footy to go play in Premier A with his old boy club who commented that his VAFA club was no different to the VFL team. No community, players just coming and going. Maybe that has a bit do with what is going on.
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Mounzer11 interesting insights.

My own experience is that premier clubs have better off field administrators than a lot of the VFL clubs. As they are not graduates from courses which haven’t experienced local grassroots sports apart from text books. These experienced people make the most of the time available to them.

Also when speaking to the coach did he indicate training numbers ? This is a true indicator of the clubs of the buy in from the playing group.
 

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Mounzer11 said:
Clubs have struggled with volunteers since I can remember, its not a new phenomenon.
Interestingly, I was speaking to a coach of one of the divisional clubs and he was saying they have 15 players missing a game each week. They only have two sides and no junior link, but it goes to show, you get your house in order and clubs can flourish at any level.
Are players sick of the arms race in Premier A?? Bringing in AFL and VFL talent each year which pushes local kids down the pecking order. Maybe they are sick of it. Why fully commit when the club doesn't commit to you??
I was speaking to a player who left VFL footy to go play in Premier A with his old boy club who commented that his VAFA club was no different to the VFL team. No community, players just coming and going. Maybe that has a bit do with what is going on.
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I think there is pretty little difference between VFL and VAFA A section because of the seriousness of the competition and players. Let's be honest, most good A grade clubs would give lower rung VFL sides a run for their money most days of the week. I only use our club as an example, but most players who have come to our club through the VFL and have listed Collegians as their home club have really enjoyed it. For example, we had a connection through our former coach to a few boys from Queensland who had come down to play VFL and needed a local club, they came down and loved it despite not knowing anyone from our club at first, one of them has been very handy for us this year. Ditto for a few boys we had who were on North's VFL list, one called us up and just said out of the blue "I'll be playing with you boys next year, I really enjoyed my one game that much", he's still at our club. I think it's more of a reflection of the environment they are playing in more so than the club and players just coming and going.

I concur that the volunteer issue is not new, but what is worrying now, is unlike the past where people have been happy to be put their hands up whilst they're at the club, namely players and players' parents, there seem to be fewer and fewer people like this. Most are happy to come along, watch their kid and leave.

I know that our neighbouring club Powerhouse has a pretty good chunk of their committee who are players, same at a club like Old Melburnians, and plenty of other clubs in lower sections (both district and old school clubs) yet most A grade clubs would struggle to find one player who is willing to put their hand up off field to join the committee and let's be honest, the playing demands probably lead to them not wanting or being unable to commit the time off-field. Junior clubs at least have a more constant turnover of parents / playing groups going through the age groups, hence more are likely to be involved at some stage through committees and so forth around the club.
 
XXXXAFL said:
XavsAFL have suffered three forfeits from opponents today. Everyone scared of playing the red and black mafia
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no one is impressed when a club with unlimited resources and brainwashing indoctrination techniques continues to do as they do at the expense of the rest of the competition.
 
Mike Olotripo said:
I think there is pretty little difference between VFL and VAFA A section because of the seriousness of the competition and players. Let's be honest, most good A grade clubs would give lower rung VFL sides a run for their money most days of the week. I only use our club as an example, but most players who have come to our club through the VFL and have listed Collegians as their home club have really enjoyed it. For example, we had a connection through our former coach to a few boys from Queensland who had come down to play VFL and needed a local club, they came down and loved it despite not knowing anyone from our club at first, one of them has been very handy for us this year. Ditto for a few boys we had who were on North's VFL list, one called us up and just said out of the blue "I'll be playing with you boys next year, I really enjoyed my one game that much", he's still at our club. I think it's more of a reflection of the environment they are playing in more so than the club and players just coming and going.
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No surprise that you're on top in Prem A then Mike. Build it and they will come....
 
Just announced:

JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT
The NFNL, SFNL, VAFA, EFNL, RDFNL, EDFL & WRFL would like to announce that the Metro Leagues will transition to PlayHQ next season for all competition management, including registrations and match day management.
This will bring the Metro Leagues in line with the rest of the country, so all Leagues will be operating on the one platform for the 2024 season.
We would like to thank GameDay & Stack Sports for their support over a number of years.
Comprehensive training of League staff on the new platform will commence shortly, followed by training of club personnel, to be ready for the transition for the new football year from November 1, 2023.
 
Over The Post said:
Just announced:

JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT
The NFNL, SFNL, VAFA, EFNL, RDFNL, EDFL & WRFL would like to announce that the Metro Leagues will transition to PlayHQ next season for all competition management, including registrations and match day management.
This will bring the Metro Leagues in line with the rest of the country, so all Leagues will be operating on the one platform for the 2024 season.
We would like to thank GameDay & Stack Sports for their support over a number of years.
Comprehensive training of League staff on the new platform will commence shortly, followed by training of club personnel, to be ready for the transition for the new football year from November 1, 2023.
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Good. Transfers have been a pain in the ass between the platforms
 
rightfoot_sloth said:
Mounzer11 interesting insights.

My own experience is that premier clubs have better off field administrators than a lot of the VFL clubs. As they are not graduates from courses which haven’t experienced local grassroots sports apart from text books. These experienced people make the most of the time available to them.

Also when speaking to the coach did he indicate training numbers ? This is a true indicator of the clubs of the buy in from the playing group.
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Re; training numbers. Sent him a text - 40 odd on Tuesdays and 50+ on Thursdays.
 
sainter01 said:
And how about players being reminded to come in after a game to have a few drinks with supporters and opposition players, seen it at SFNL and they get paid to play and take off straight after a game
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We are pretty good on that , they don't even shower so have time
 
Over The Post said:
Just announced:

JOINT ANNOUNCEMENT
The NFNL, SFNL, VAFA, EFNL, RDFNL, EDFL & WRFL would like to announce that the Metro Leagues will transition to PlayHQ next season for all competition management, including registrations and match day management.
This will bring the Metro Leagues in line with the rest of the country, so all Leagues will be operating on the one platform for the 2024 season.
We would like to thank GameDay & Stack Sports for their support over a number of years.
Comprehensive training of League staff on the new platform will commence shortly, followed by training of club personnel, to be ready for the transition for the new football year from November 1, 2023.
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Does this have anything to do with lack of indiv. player statistics online? Previously, one could click on a players history and see where they had played, in the best, goals etc. Now all that info has disappeared and it only shows this season
 

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It was always a matter of time. There are things PlayHQ need to work on but from an admin and clearances perspective it's a win.
 
eth-dog said:
It was always a matter of time. There are things PlayHQ need to work on but from an admin and clearances perspective it's a win.
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By the looks of it though, the majority of main leagues in Melbourne weren't using it, so transfers shouldn't have been too onerous. I've only had a very small handful of issues with Gameday transfers.

I guess there will be teething problems but we'll have to wait and see.
 
The VAFA so should cap senior teams and have a player loan system similar to the EPL. A/B grade teams could loan the extra players to D2/D3/D4 clubs. Keep the competition strong
 
YMEYU said:
The VAFA so should cap senior teams and have a player loan system similar to the EPL. A/B grade teams could loan the extra players to D2/D3/D4 clubs. Keep the competition strong
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Is it April 1st? 🤣🤣

A loan system wouldn't work for a number of reasons. The loaned players wouldn't be too pleased at getting duckshoved off to another club and who pays the registration costs for these loaned players. What happens when a team reliant on loan players makes finals or goes up a grade only for these players to not be loaned anymore. Cmon.
 
sainter01 said:
And how about players being reminded to come in after a game to have a few drinks with supporters and opposition players, seen it at SFNL and they get paid to play and take off straight after a game
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Geez you put some mayo on this ???? Been to quite a few SFNL games and have always seen oppo in the rooms for the after match.
 
Seemyhat said:
Is it April 1st? 🤣🤣

A loan system wouldn't work for a number of reasons. The loaned players wouldn't be too pleased at getting duckshoved off to another club and who pays the registration costs for these loaned players. What happens when a team reliant on loan players makes finals or goes up a grade only for these players to not be loaned anymore. Cmon.
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There have been versions of this happen before.

Not quite the same but i recall when SMD and Collegians shared U/19 resources for a season (SMD players came into the Collegians two U/19 sides). With those SMD players free to be selected for and play in the SMD seniors when warranted, even though they were playing in a Collegians jumper. Like i said, slightly different circumstances as SMD didn't have enough U/19's for their own side that season, and this allowed the club to retain players that would have otherwise gone elsewhere, and also get them a game each week, but remain a part of the SMD club.
 
Seemyhat said:
Is it April 1st? 🤣🤣

A loan system wouldn't work for a number of reasons. The loaned players wouldn't be too pleased at getting duckshoved off to another club and who pays the registration costs for these loaned players. What happens when a team reliant on loan players makes finals or goes up a grade only for these players to not be loaned anymore. Cmon.
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It might not be feasible but at least he is having a go at some lateral thinking to address the dominant strong school clubs getting stronger and the smaller clubs with a long history dying a slow death. The AFL addressed this via the salary cap & relocations but it still didn’t save Fitzroy. If nothing had changed the AFL would have had about 4 teams survive.

Good on you YMEYU for thinking outside the square rather than repeating the same drivel which is leading the competition as we know it to a slow death.
 
The Cobra said:
It might not be feasible but at least he is having a go at some lateral thinking to address the dominant strong school clubs getting stronger and the smaller clubs with a long history dying a slow death. The AFL addressed this via the salary cap & relocations but it still didn’t save Fitzroy. If nothing had changed the AFL would have had about 4 teams survive.

Good on you YMEYU for thinking outside the square rather than repeating the same drivel which is leading the competition as we know it to a slow death.
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My idea is to reduce sections sizes in the Divisions from 10 teams to 8. Currently, the gap between the top and bottom team in any year is such that there is large flogging givens to the bottom side. Consequently numbers drop off and it is these players who disappear (who wants to get flogged every week?) to other clubs or from the game for good. With only 8 teams in a section then there is more likelihood of an even competition even if there is inequalities in the draw and playing some teams away twice.
 
Seemyhat said:
My idea is to reduce sections sizes in the Divisions from 10 teams to 8. Currently, the gap between the top and bottom team in any year is such that there is large flogging givens to the bottom side. Consequently numbers drop off and it is these players who disappear (who wants to get flogged every week?) to other clubs or from the game for good. With only 8 teams in a section then there is more likelihood of an even competition even if there is inequalities in the draw and playing some teams away twice.
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Positive response - well done - good thought
 
I think the crux of the issue is that there are simply too many clubs, its unsustainable and some consolidation of some that dont make sense either location, strategic and facility wise would be beneficial for all. Its often-stubborn administrators who enjoy the power who are unwilling to look at merging that lead to the downdall. With the boom of girls footy, having availability to footy grounds is going to become a bigger issue and removing these from the unsustainable clubs should be a priority for local councils and the VAFA and reallocating them where they can be better utilised.
 
ItsAllAboutMe said:
I think the crux of the issue is that there are simply too many clubs, its unsustainable and some consolidation of some that dont make sense either location, strategic and facility wise would be beneficial for all. Its often-stubborn administrators who enjoy the power who are unwilling to look at merging that lead to the downdall. With the boom of girls footy, having availability to footy grounds is going to become a bigger issue and removing these from the unsustainable clubs should be a priority for local councils and the VAFA and reallocating them where they can be better utilised.
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While unfortunate - I think this is correct. Not just in the VAFA but I know the SFL should also consider similar decisions.
 
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