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Phantom Strobler said:
One from Hampton and one from GE (broken wrist) was the best VAFA could find. Surely some C grade players would be a shoe in after watching the game today on my computer.
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Give WA a lot of credit for coming back from 38 points down at halftime to push the VAFA team all the way and force a draw at the end of normal time yet didn't have any petrol left in the tank by the end of the extra time period. Fine effort from the WA boys today at Elsternwick Park.
 
The Cobra said:
Sorry I respect your opinion but Im just someone who has run his own business and been Treasurer of a district VAFA Club:

Our turnover was about $150K pa so an additional $20k revenue & $10K profit was damn useful but not material in the total financial context

No easy ask for sponsors in the likely future near term economic environment (recession?)

How much do I need for paid players budget in the NFNL to ensure competitiveness? 4 - 6 players x $’S/match x 18. - just play with the numbers - $500/match? - $45,000 for 5 players? therefore $35,000 in additional sponsorship to break even - mmmm!
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Personally I've always thought there are better places to spend the money than on players.

Spend it making sure you have a full complement of non playing roles sorted each week, spend it upgrading the facilities, spend it giving the players free dinners. (I've heard this is a great recruiting tactic)

Better ROI raising the overall experience for everyone than there is in bringing in a couple mercenaries imo. And as you point out- perhaps less of a false economy.
 
JimmyR20 said:
Personally I've always thought there are better places to spend the money than on players.

Spend it making sure you have a full complement of non playing roles sorted each week, spend it upgrading the facilities, spend it giving the players free dinners. (I've heard this is a great recruiting tactic)

Better ROI raising the overall experience for everyone than there is in bringing in a couple mercenaries imo. And as you point out- perhaps less of a false economy.
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100% agree but if u want to play in the NFNL, paying players is probably part of the deal?!
 
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The Cobra said:
Sorry I respect your opinion but Im just someone who has run his own business and been Treasurer of a district VAFA Club:

Our turnover was about $150K pa so an additional $20k revenue & $10K profit was damn useful but not material in the total financial context

No easy ask for sponsors in the likely future near term economic environment (recession?)

How much do I need for paid players budget in the NFNL to ensure competitiveness? 4 - 6 players x $’S/match x 18. - just play with the numbers - $500/game? - $45,000 for 5 players? therefore $35,000 in additional sponsorship to break even - mmmm!
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If people think it is about a few beer sales and a couple of a hoodies you are kidding yourself. Also, NO club has moved from ammo's to a professional competition and stated handing out huge cash - it's been incremental.

My club is in a challenging position right now and looking at options. I applaud them for it. The ammo's are offering nothing to support a low level district club - nothing. So why not LOOK at options?

Chump 🏆
 
Champ or Chump said:
If people think it is about a few beer sales and a couple of a hoodies you are kidding yourself. Also, NO club has moved from ammo's to a professional competition and stated handing out huge cash - it's been incremental.

My club is in a challenging position right now and looking at options. I applaud them for it. The ammo's are offering nothing to support a low level district club - nothing. So why not LOOK at options?

Chump 🏆
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What would you suggest the VAFA should offer?
 
Champ or Chump said:
If people think it is about a few beer sales and a couple of a hoodies you are kidding yourself. Also, NO club has moved from ammo's to a professional competition and stated handing out huge cash - it's been incremental.

My club is in a challenging position right now and looking at options. I applaud them for it. The ammo's are offering nothing to support a low level district club - nothing. So why not LOOK at options?

Chump 🏆
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Champ

Go back to my first post - I was merely pointing out if people think bar sales are a reason to move to the NFNL and are going to solve a clubs problems then they are living in Lala land.

Yep VAFA have no great interest in District clubs and it’s very difficult to retain good young players when NFNL clubs knock on the door and offer $s. So your Club is right to look at options - all I was pointing out was do the numbers properly (not rely on heresay which is a feature on here)
 
Champ or Chump said:
If people think it is about a few beer sales and a couple of a hoodies you are kidding yourself. Also, NO club has moved from ammo's to a professional competition and stated handing out huge cash - it's been incremental.

My club is in a challenging position right now and looking at options. I applaud them for it. The ammo's are offering nothing to support a low level district club - nothing. So why not LOOK at options?

Chump 🏆
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It's not solely about the beer/food sales (even though both were pumping from 1/2 time of the magoos.
The atmosphere at half time onwards In the twos was 5 times that if vafa grand final. People mingling, supporting whilst having a beer.
Mind you it was 2 teams outside top 5 so pretty impressive crowd.
I went to 2 D2 games the week before and there was 30 people around the club rooms of both games. These clubs must really struggle to make a $!
Same day I drove past Eastern Football game and gate entry was $10.
Ivanhoe committee would be mad not to go IMO!
 
Brainy Tim said:
It's not solely about the beer/food sales (even though both were pumping from 1/2 time of the magoos.
The atmosphere at half time onwards In the twos was 5 times that if vafa grand final. People mingling, supporting whilst having a beer.
Mind you it was 2 teams outside top 5 so pretty impressive crowd.
I went to 2 D2 games the week before and there was 30 people around the club rooms of both games. These clubs must really struggle to make a $!
Same day I drove past Eastern Football game and gate entry was $10.
Ivanhoe committee would be mad not to go IMO!
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You are comparing the atmosphere at a Div 1 game and a Div 5 VAFA game….really???
I’ve seen a lot of Prem A games that would rival any comp for atmosphere….
 
Brainy Tim said:
It's not solely about the beer/food sales (even though both were pumping from 1/2 time of the magoos.
The atmosphere at half time onwards In the twos was 5 times that if vafa grand final. People mingling, supporting whilst having a beer.
Mind you it was 2 teams outside top 5 so pretty impressive crowd.
I went to 2 D2 games the week before and there was 30 people around the club rooms of both games. These clubs must really struggle to make a $!
Same day I drove past Eastern Football game and gate entry was $10.
Ivanhoe committee would be mad not to go IMO!
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BT,
What about your men's thirds teams, women's side and your Junior Club? Are they all happy with you to move comps?
 
Like to know how come both Victoria & WA in the rep game on Saturday used the Sherrin football for the entire match instead of also having the WA football (the Burley (yellow) football) used as well. In the old days when it's ie Victoria and SA, the Sherrin football would be used for the 1st and 3rd quarter, the Ross Faulkner (the SA ball), the 2nd and final quarter.
 
Jascave said:
Like to know how come both Victoria & WA in the rep game on Saturday used the Sherrin football for the entire match instead of also having the WA football (the Burley (yellow) football) used as well. In the old days when it's ie Victoria and SA, the Sherrin football would be used for the 1st and 3rd quarter, the Ross Faulkner (the SA ball), the 2nd and final quarter.
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Why didn't you ask them
 

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Champ or Chump said:
If people think it is about a few beer sales and a couple of a hoodies you are kidding yourself. Also, NO club has moved from ammo's to a professional competition and stated handing out huge cash - it's been incremental.

My club is in a challenging position right now and looking at options. I applaud them for it. The ammo's are offering nothing to support a low level district club - nothing. So why not LOOK at options?

Chump 🏆
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In the event that you did move, what grade would you guys be placed in?
 
Jascave said:
Is there still a place for amateur representative/interstate football on the VAFA calendar after yesterday's match at Elsternwick Park between the VAFA and WA going forward?

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No - Just have a double bye in winter. All clubs and players would appreciate it.
 
I think there is a place for rep footy, but I think that something like an end of season carnival is probably the best place for it in the calendar.

From all reports, WA were a lot better than expected and a few VAFA players were clearly playing in preservation mode with most of them playing in sides well and truly looking to win a flag in September.
 
Seemyhat said:
BT,
What about your men's thirds teams, women's side and your Junior Club? Are they all happy with you to move comps?
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What I've been told - some open/happy to change some cautious to it. Same as coaches, sponsors, staff, etc. Not sure what will happen as conversations still ongoing.

Chump🏆
 
Mike Olotripo said:
I think there is a place for rep footy, but I think that something like an end of season carnival is probably the best place for it in the calendar.

From all reports, WA were a lot better than expected and a few VAFA players were clearly playing in preservation mode with most of them playing in sides well and truly looking to win a flag in September.
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Give WA a lot of credit to come from 38 points down at halftime on Saturday, when you consider they were looking right down the barrel of a 10+ goal hiding, and remembering WA's poor record in interstate footy of any level in Melbourne. The VAFA v WA epic game at Elsternwick Park brought back memories of those classic State of Origin games between the two great football States at Subiaco Oval in 1983, 1984 and 1986. However, agree that Victoria was making sure that none of the top players got injured/reported and were playing in second gear mode, especially with the relegation battles and spots for finals places looming, while WA was playing as if the state's football reputation was on the line, considering the poor form of the Eagles and Dockers in the AFL and their State League team got beaten by SA.

I would rate the VAFA a 4 out 10 for their performance in the state game. While they were very good in the first half, they went back into their shells in the second half and only really got going when extra time started.

I'll give WA a 8/10 rating, the Sandgrophers were superb in the second half and were very unlucky not to win the game. As I mentioned above, WA had nothing to lose and threw everything at the Vics, considering WA's football reputation was on the line.
 
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Jascave said:
What's the situation regarding promotion/relegation in Premier C this year? Is it two up/two down like in other sections?
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They haven't said anything but I'm guessing (and hoping) that it's 2 up/1down from C to D3/4
 
Mike Olotripo said:
I think there is a place for rep footy, but I think that something like an end of season carnival is probably the best place for it in the calendar.

From all reports, WA were a lot better than expected and a few VAFA players were clearly playing in preservation mode with most of them playing in sides well and truly looking to win a flag in September.
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Two problems emerge from having a carnival:1) whether mid or end of season carnival, Victoria won't give SA or WA much of a look in. Of the 21 AAFC carnivals held since 1936, Victoria has won 15, SA 5, WA 1. Which means that the VAFA would make the carnival be a one-horse race, have SA, WA and NSW or Tasmania fight out for second and could raise serious questions about the future of representative/interstate football. The other problem is the attitude of some of the Premier clubs who are fearful of losing their star players to serious injuries (think Tony Hall in the 1989 Vic v SA game) with relegation battles and finals spots on the line later in the season.
 
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