Vale Shane Warne

[Paul66]

Am I a bad person for saying that I'm mourning Rod Marsh more than Warnie ?

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[Pistol Night]

Am I a bad person for saying that I'm mourning Rod Marsh more than Warnie ?

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No. Its not a contest

 

[PhatBoy]

The only weakness is he was less lethal in India. His style was to get huge bounce and turn. The Indian wickets were more conducive to keeping low. That's why someone like M Clarke once got a swag using orthodox left arm and warnes balls rather than probing would just sit up to be hit.

Imo it was how poor the pitches were than Warne. In every other country with quality pitches he excelled.

I disagree with that. In a respectful way because I can see your angle but Kumble took 600 wickets largely because of the bounce he got over there. Warne really only bowled a top spinner that had any overspin on it. His leg break and flippers and sliders were all side or back spinning deliveries and as such he couldn’t exploit bounce from any means other than the heights to which he tossed the ball. Harbhajan and Kumble both exploited bounce due to three factors: natural height (Kumble), the air they gave the ball (Harbhajan) and the over spin on the ball (both of them).

The other factor was the the Indian batsmen quite simply had a method that worked and the skill to execute it. Azharuddin, Tendulkarc Sidhu and Shastri to begin with (shout out to Nayan Mongia too who hit 150 in a one of test in 1996 against a side that I THINK included Warne), and then Laxman, Dravid - who famously only hit two centuries against australia and one of them was when Warne was missing in 03-04 but hit a lot of 50s in 1998 and in later years - and Ganguly and Sehwag to a lesser extent - all of them had a method against him that worked. It wasn’t a slight on Warne; Murali didn’t succeed in India either, simple fact was that they were just very good against him.

You are right in that Indian pitches though turners, didn’t suit warney’s particular style all that much but it wasn’t due to a lack of bounce, certainly not in my viewing experience anyway.

Sri Lanka actually did have and still does have big turning low pitches - watch any compilation of Rangana Herath who took 26 of his 34 five wicket hauls in SL and three more in the low wickets of the UAE - he highlights how much those wickets assisted spinners who could keep the ball low. Warney actually did quite well in Sri Lanka from memory.

 

[smasha]

"The SCG his home" Kerry O'Keefe.

Sorry mate,his home was the MCG.

His very first test wicket caught by fellow Victorian Dean Jones.

His coming of age from leg spinner to superstar leg spinner,7 wickets against the West Indies at the MCG!

 

[qman]

Even so Warne may have been the more majestibowler. Statistically speaking, Murali had more wickets and thus is number 1.

Yes, Murali has more wickets but Warne was clearly a better bowler, leg spin is a far more difficult skill to master than off spin. Let's not beat around the bush either and be politically correct, huge 'grey area' over the legality of Muralis action. Laws had to be changed to allow him to stay in the game. The way Warne bowled leg spin, he actually decreased the margin for error in that he bowled quicker than the average leggie, he really pushed em through. Add to that the amount of fizz he put on the ball, yet he had amazing control, never seen before, for a leg spin bowler. Kumble for example, bowled quicker then Warne but hardly spun it, Macgill may have spun it more than a post shoulder surgery Warne but nowhere near the control. If you are talking about mastering one particular art of the game then Warne is the best cricketer ever. I am not saying he is the best but under that criteria, he would be.
RIP Warnie.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

I disagree with that. In a respectful way because I can see your angle but Kumble took 600 wickets largely because of the bounce he got over there. Warne really only bowled a top spinner that had any overspin on it. His leg break and flippers and sliders were all side or back spinning deliveries and as such he couldn’t exploit bounce from any means other than the heights to which he tossed the ball. Harbhajan and Kumble both exploited bounce due to three factors: natural height (Kumble), the air they gave the ball (Harbhajan) and the over spin on the ball (both of them).

The other factor was the the Indian batsmen quite simply had a method that worked and the skill to execute it. Azharuddin, Tendulkarc Sidhu and Shastri to begin with (shout out to Nayan Mongia too who hit 150 in a one of test in 1996 against a side that I THINK included Warne), and then Laxman, Dravid - who famously only hit two centuries against australia and one of them was when Warne was missing in 03-04 but hit a lot of 50s in 1998 and in later years - and Ganguly and Sehwag to a lesser extent - all of them had a method against him that worked. It wasn’t a slight on Warne; Murali didn’t succeed in India either, simple fact was that they were just very good against him.

You are right in that Indian pitches though turners, didn’t suit warney’s particular style all that much but it wasn’t due to a lack of bounce, certainly not in my viewing experience anyway.

Sri Lanka actually did have and still does have big turning low pitches - watch any compilation of Rangana Herath who took 26 of his 34 five wicket hauls in SL and three more in the low wickets of the UAE - he highlights how much those wickets assisted spinners who could keep the ball low. Warney actually did quite well in Sri Lanka from memory.

I have some views but I don't really want to pollute Warne's RIP thread with general cricket discussion. Easy to be distracted. Perhaps another time

 

[Around the Wicket]

That's why someone like M Clarke once got a swag using orthodox left arm and warnes balls rather than probing would just sit up to be hit.

Warne was injured the 4th Test and didn't play, had he played that 4th Test I back he would have got a bag full and his average of 47 v India would be sitting in the 30's.

Look at the scorecard.

India 104

Australia 203

India 205

Australia 93

 

[Brum]

A post-mortem has confirmed Shane Warne’s cause of death was “natural causes”.

52 is such a young age to die of natural causes.

Shane Warne’s cause of death confirmed after Thailand tragedy

A post-mortem has revealed what led to the Australian cricket legend’s passing on Friday.

7news.com.au

 

[qman]

Still pretty shocked that he passed away, but when you consider his eating and smoking habits it is not so much of a surprise.

I saw him play in the famous 1st Test against Sri Lanka at the SSC in Colombo, that match that really turned him into an international player. Just wish I'd gone on the last day when he worked the magic to take 3 for not many to win the game.

I met him in 1994 when Australia next visited Sri Lanka. It was at a function for the team at the Australian High Commission, and at a time in his life when by his own admission he had become a bit of a big head. You can imagine the disappointment when he wouldn't sign autographs for the kids (myself included), especially when all the other players did. Tubby Taylor took him outside for a word and then back he came, different attitude and signed for everyone. It is telling that this is so out of character with most people's experience with him. He obviously changed his attitude a lot after this time in his life. What he did after the tsunami for the people of Sri Lanka was fantastic and he is still loved there for it.

As an England fan, I often couldn't stand him as he tormented us no end. At the same time, you couldn't help but respect just how good he was at the caper. I used to dread whenever he would get tossed the ball because inevitably, whatever partnership our batters had started to put together would inevitably be broken. I was actually hoping he might be serious with his recent statement that he might be interested in a role with England. We could've definitely used his immense knowledge of the game and his confidence to rub off on our players.

The renaming of the Great Southern Stand is a perfect tribute. The tributes on Fox Cricket over the weekend have also been very well done.

A huge loss for Cricket, we're not going to see one like Warney again.

Yeah, he must have gotten a lot better with fan interaction. I'm not an Ian Chappell fan but he made a big deal about how Warnie would not just sign an autograph for a kid but have an actual conversation while doing it, ask the kid questions about his life and cricket. Chappell said something like " that kid will remember and talk about how great Warne was to him for the rest of his life". It's actually true, I remember getting an autograph from Mark 'Bomber' Thompson when I was a kid and he was a young essendon player. He was really cool with me better than any other dude I ever got a signature from. He's had his issues but I have never forgotten how well he came across to me as a young fan. I actually met Warnie just after he had taken the 7 for 52 or whatever against the windies at the MCG in 92, I guess. It was at Morgans Bar in Sorrento, I was pissed and puked straight after shaking his hand but he was a nice guy, he was with his future wife and another woman at the time.

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Did anyone see the statements issued by each of Warnes kids? Omg I can't stop crying.

 

[qman]

Steve Waugh was the only major falling out I didn't agree with, he just for whatever reason wouldn't let it go, to bring it in 2019 publicly saying he "hated" Steve Waugh was just wrong.

Yep, I couldn't have disagreed more with Warnie when he said Waugh wasn't a 'match winner' but a 'match saver', little bit of silliness from 'The King' there.

 

[qman]

Did anyone watch remembering shane warne on Foxtel the Allan Border interview? has AB got parkinson's disease? he looked like M J Fox could not keep his head still

Yeah, I saw the interview, he'd been drinking all day, drowning his sorrows, can't blame the man. I saw him get interviewed that morning and he wasn't exhibiting the head wobble etc. It was just the drink.

 

[Around the Wicket]

A post-mortem has confirmed Shane Warne’s cause of death was “natural causes”.

52 is such a young age to die of natural causes.

Shane Warne’s cause of death confirmed after Thailand tragedy

A post-mortem has revealed what led to the Australian cricket legend’s passing on Friday.

7news.com.au

Yo-yo dieting with fluid diets can't be good for you.

 

[PhatBoy]

Yes, Murali has more wickets but Warne was clearly a better bowler, leg spin is a far more difficult skill to master than off spin. Let's not beat around the bush either and be politically correct, huge 'grey area' over the legality of Muralis action. Laws had to be changed to allow him to stay in the game. The way Warne bowled leg spin, he actually decreased the margin for error in that he bowled quicker than the average leggie, he really pushed em through. Add to that the amount of fizz he put on the ball, yet he had amazing control, never seen before, for a leg spin bowler. Kumble for example, bowled quicker then Warne but hardly spun it, Macgill may have spun it more than a post shoulder surgery Warne but nowhere near the control. If you are talking about mastering one particular art of the game then Warne is the best cricketer ever. I am not saying he is the best but under that criteria, he would be.
RIP Warnie.

I don’t disagree that Warne was the better bowler but on the flip side of the ease with which he mastered a tremendously difficult art, Murali was able to turn an easier art but one that challenged batsmen less, into a weapon as dangerous as any leg spinner

 

[Gough]

Yeah, I saw the interview, he'd been drinking all day, drowning his sorrows, can't blame the man. I saw him get interviewed that morning and he wasn't exhibiting the head wobble etc. It was just the drink.

He said he found out at 0100hrs and responded with whiskey.

 

[Festerz]

A post-mortem has confirmed Shane Warne’s cause of death was “natural causes”.

52 is such a young age to die of natural causes.

Death by natural causes just means the death was not caused by external means or an accident and so not requiring a police investigation allowing the body to be released by authorities.

It includes deaths by medical conditions such as a heart attack, cancer or diabetes. It does not say anything about the factors that led to that death, expected heart failure, or why he died at a relatively early age from it.

 

[The hands of stone]

Probably a snippet from an interview where he would of meant no offence at all. As usual the media portray it as he’s bagged the fu** out of him

Maybe ....but he has a history of making some pretty poor insensative comments, Ill leave it at that

 

[ashley12]

Not important but Warne didn't play that 1996 Test against India. It was Brad Hogg's debut, pretty sure he took a wicket or two but it wasn't pretty.

Vale Warnie.

Story time.

I was about 10 and my school got to go to the WACA before a test (I think vs Pakistan 1998) to walk on the oval and get some signatures. Warnie did a speech/masterclass that lasted about 20 minutes talking about how he made the ball spin different ways and watching it up close was incredible, turning a ball what looked to be about 45 degrees sideways. He also had a heap of time for all the kids (the ACB stooge was very clear on only X amount of time and one autograph each and Warney didnt care and would sign autograph bats, shirts, stickers you name it).

I will remember him for that and for a lot of work he did more than his onfield exploits (which again, is the best leg spinner to ever play the game).

 

[AdelaideGT]

Yo-yo dieting with fluid diets can't be good for you.

The latest one was a two-week 'juice cleanse' apparently and his son said a while back he'd been on herbal tea diets.

 

[KennyHuntersBlues]

Maybe ....but he has a history of making some pretty poor insensative comments, Ill leave it at that

Gavaskar has held a grudge longer than Warnie
Has hated Australians since 1980-81 when DK Lillee got an lbw to one he reckoned he hit first and tried to take his batting partner off with him. Has taken every opportunity since to disparage Australians

 

[Paul66]

He said he found out at 0100hrs and responded with whiskey.

I seriously hope that AB is alright and doesn't have a problem

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[Around the Wicket]

The latest one was a two-week 'juice cleanse' apparently and his son said a while back he'd been on herbal tea diets.

Yea he only finished it the previous day, which imo had to contribute, especially if he constantly went on and off crash diets as Warnes son suggested.

 

[The hands of stone]

Gavaskar has held a grudge longer than Warnie
Has hated Australians since 1980-81 when DK Lillee got an lbw to one he reckoned he hit first and tried to take his batting partner off with him. Has taken every opportunity since to disparage Australians

Have a lot of friends from the sub continent ........ they cringe whenever he makes a comment on something .

 

[the_interloper]

I was about 10 when Warne made his debut. I'd actually never really seen a leggie before, I thought he was pretty shit in that first test and never thought he'd play again, good judge right here!

 

[The King!]

I was about 10 when Warne made his debut. I'd actually never really seen a leggie before, I thought he was pretty sh*t in that first test and never thought he'd play again, good judge right here!

i was 8 and yeah remember going what is a leg spinner