Very early Phantom draft.

[bogan4life]

your an idiot bentleigh

did you just work that out?
je passed it on to his son ive heard is son is indeed Yze Magic

 

[OneEyedHawk]

your an idiot bentleigh

Indeed he is.

Xavier Ellis sounds pretty good to me, provided we miss out on Dowler and Clark that is. A tall, pacy, skillful mid would be perfect for the Hawks.

 

[bazlik]

Is Steve Freemantle from Oakleigh a chance this year to get drafted??? I know he is small, many say to small however he has very silky skills, and is extremely fit?

 

[CyberKev]

Xavier Ellis is a gun, a class act has a beautiful accurate kick on him hits targets consistently. Nice height, reads the play very well and is a ball magnet due to his superb judgement.Has been playing a sweeping role across the HB line in the TAC Cup and setting the play up and providing run.But he can also play midfield and this is where I think he will play in the AFL. I rate him Top 5 atm.

Thanks for that, Ragingbull.

You mention he has good smarts, skills, run, and is a good height for a midfielder, sounds like just what Hawthorn would be wanting.

Presumably we're talking outside midfielder here, does he have reasonable pace to go with his run?

 

[LukeHodge15]

Liekly type and playing well. But gee, is that was Essendon needs another mid size forward that is not quick (Jobe Watson)? Sheeds loves the history of it all though.

Just proves that its a long way out from picking this stuff. It would depend where they finish up and who they can get to meet their needs with the earlier picks, will they trade for more picks, who knows? If they get want they want earlier then Neagle may be a logical pick up. To many ifs to be committing this early.

dont shoot the messenger just passing on what i have heard.
agree with u though, its not really what essendon are crying out 4 at the minute. and his attitude has 2 be questioned 2 say the least.... aka cupidoll like

 

[David_02]

What about ben Mckindley? what his chances of getting drafted this year?

 

[Thunderstruck]

Ok here is a list of the SA under 18 Academy...not the final squad yet, this was named way back in March.

Number Club DOB Height Weight
1 Ben Home North 25/01/87 174 69
2 Ryan McDermid WWT 19/09/87 172 71.5
3 Chad Obst Central 10/02/88 176 69
4 Tavis Varcoe Central 10/04/88 176 72
5 Corey Fitzgerald Port 16/04/87 175 72.5
6 Tom Hurley Sturt 25/02/88 177 72
7 Joel Montgomerie Port 26/11/87 172 75
8 Sam Elliott South 22/07/87 178 74
9 Mark Dolling Port 24/02/87 177 75.5
10 Adam Curkpatrick Glenelg 30/05/87 173.5 77
11 Bradley Yeomans Glenelg 10/04/87 175 79
12 Ryan Gamble Glenelg 23/09/87 182.5 73.5
13 Alex Lunn Norwood 6/08/87 177.5 81
14 Ben Rogers Central 30/03/87 183.5 73.5
15 Dylan Williams South 25/04/87 179 79.5
16 Josh Sampson South 28/01/87 181 77
17 Darren Pfeiffer Norwood 27/09/87 181 77.5
18 Craig Evans Sturt 11/09/87 179.5 80
19 Jace Bode Sturt 14/09/87 182 86
20 Tom Rischbieth Sturt 12/03/87 187 83.5
21 Ricky Ebert North 15/01/87 179.5 82.5
22 Stephen Moss Central 30/04/88 181.5 83
23 Angus Lally Glenelg 8/01/88 180.5 84
24 Leigh Cunnington Norwood 21/02/87 181 84
25 Grady Obst Glenelg 6/01/88 181 81.1
26 Alex Hutchins West 9/06/88 185 80.5
27 Tarquin Brown North 17/02/87 183 84
28 Brad Sugars Glenelg 13/03/87 187 80.5
29 Cameron Miller Port 17/03/87 181 83.2
30 Andrew McIntrye North 10/03/87 188.5 79
31 Ed Lower Norwood 23/06/87 183.5 83.5
32 Gerard Kenny Sturt 1/08/87 179.5 88
33 Alan Obst Central 19/05/87 189.5 80.5
34 Tom Redden Glenelg 18/06/87 189.5 79.5
35 Nick Lower Norwood 23/06/87 184 85.5
36 Matthew Westhoff Central 5/06/88 194 74.5
37 Ben Arbon WWT 26/05/88 190 83
38 Heath Ward North 10/08/87 189.5 82.5
39 Craig Mullins Central 31/08/87 183 87
40 Cleve Hughes Norwood 15/01/87 191 82
41 Thomas Cornish West 25/06/87 187 82.5
42 Scott Bricknell West 4/09/87 183.5 88.85
43 Scott Purling Sturt 8/03/87 188 88
44 Ryan Bennett West 7/08/87 184 94
45 Braydn Fisher West 17/03/87 191 85.5
46 Jonathon Cheetham North 4/03/88 191.5 86.5
47 Luke McEntee North 2/05/87 194 88.5
48 Tim Hutchison Port 18/02/88 193 87.5
49 Nick Salter WWT 30/07/87 187 94
50 Aaron Spicer WWT 18/09/87 194.5 96
Shannon Hurn Central 4/09/87 (height and weight not listed for Hurn but he is about 189cm 92kg.
Average 183.23 81.35

Looking over the names there briefly, I can say that the squad is not as good as last years. Don't forget the 2004 side had blokes like Griffen, Monfries, Eckermann, Meyer who have all debuted already and are impressing.

However, that aside the list there is still good with some quality names again.

The standouts are:

Travis Varcoe - Small but extremely quick aboriginal midfielder who has good evasive skills. Has a very good junior record and if he adds a little more to his frame should get taken in the 1st round, if not early 2nd round.

Sam Elliott - Class act, good onballer, gets plenty of the ball and uses it well. Polished player all round and is a certain first rounder I'd think.

Tom Redden - Touted as a early draft pick last year but wasn't selected. Tall lean midfielder/utility who can certainly add versatility to ones side.

Shannon Hurn - Built like a keg for his age, very strong midfielder or key defender with a no nonsense attitude. His mature body and ability in his given positions should see him go very early in the 1st round.

Don't have time to comment on the rest but others to look out for are:

Tom Hurley - gun centreman/rover

John Cheetham - Good KPP prospect

Scott Purling

Ben Arbon (potential gun here)

Sugars

Bennett

Also gotta add that Bryce Gibbs isnt in that academy....but he is just about assured to play with the Under 18's. He has the most potential out of anyone ive seen for his age. He is 16, played his first SANFL game last weekend and almost dominated. Something like 11 kicks 3 marks 10 handballs 1 goal..freak.

 

[Ragingbull]

Thunderstruck,

Any info on Tyson Wait (Port Adelaide) im hearing some good reports on him, I know he has played senior footy in the country since he was 15? and he has dominated. Height? Weight? Position? Any info would be great.

Mark Dolling is also a good player is a super quick elusive small forward who has also played senior footy in the country and played quite well. I think he will get drafted.

 

[3teams]

Can Under 18's bottom age players get drafted?

 

[Eddie19]

Based on that order I would go with

1- Collingwood - Mitchell Clarke
2 - Carlton - Beau Dowler
3 - Hawthorn - Xavier Ellis
4 - Essendon - Grae Grant
5 - Western Bulldogs - Shannon Hurn
6 - Richmond - Thomas Redden
7 - Kangaroos- Marcus Drum
8 - Adelaide - Shane Neaves
9 - Brisbane - Josh Kennedy (East Freo)
10 - Sydney - Travis Varcoe

But here is a rough Top 30 not in order, bit hard at this stage to estimate prior to Championships but afterwards it will become a lot clearer.

Mitchell Clarke East Fremantle 198 86 Tall Forward/ Ruck
Shannon Hurn Central Districts 186 92 Medium Defender/Midfielder
Xavier Ellis Gippsland 187 73 Classy Tall Midfielder Excellent by foot
Beau Dowler Oakleigh 192 84 Smooth Moving Tall Forward/Defender
Grae Grant Perth 182 70 Quick Excellent Kick Medium Midfielder
Marcus Drum Murray 190 82 Versatile Reliable Utility
Ryan Jackson Northern 188 80 Classy Tall Midfielder/Forward
Greg Bentley Dandenong 188 83 Mobile skillful Tall Midfielder/Forward
Thomas Redden Glenelg 190 80 Hard at it Competitive Tall Midifelder
Travis Varcoe Central Districts 178 72 Super Quick Aboriginal Small Midfielder
Justin Simpson Swans Districts 188 83 Strong Marking Medium Forward
James Kendall East Perth 188 83 Long Kicking Skillful Medium Defender
Josh Kennedy East Fremantle 194 88 Athletic Quick Tall Forward
Daniel Stanley Geelong 186 87 Physical Hard at it Medium Midfielder/Defender
Matt Tyler North Ballarat 194 80 Hard Working Tall Defender
Matt White Calder 178 74 Super Quick Small Defender/Midfielder
Brennen Mills Claremont 179 73 Classy Tough Skillful Small Midfielder
Alan Toovey Claremont 190 80 Quick Skillful Tall Defender
Matthew Seal East Perth 178 78 Classy Goalkicking Midifeilder
Brad Sugars Glenelg 188 80 Strong Marking Forward
Jon Cheetham North Adelaide 193 87 Strong Marking Tall Forward
Heath Hocking Eastern 193 87 Ball Winning Inside Midfielder
Gareth Bowes Calder 179 81 Ball Winning Inside Midfielder
Sam Wormald Geelong 187 80 Flashy Medium Forward/Midfielder
Grant Birchall Tassie 192 88 Long Kicking Tall Midfielder/Forward
Ben Fraser Gippsland 190 86 Athletic Tall Forward
Andrew Swallow East Fremantle 181 76 Super Quick Outside Midfielder Kick???
James Bennett NSW-ACT 186 73 Classy Excellent by foot Outsider Midfielder
Matt Laidlaw Oakleigh 186 81 Smooth Moving Medium Defender/Midfielder

top 10
1- Collingwood- Shannon Hurn 2- Carlton- Beau Dowler 3 - Hawthorn - Mitch Clarke
4 - Essendon - Xavier Ellis

5 -Adelaide- Marcus Drum

6- W Bulldogs- Grae Grant

7- Brisbane- Ryan Jackson

8- Port- Thomas Redden

9- Sydney- Travis Varcoe

10- Richmond- Josh Kennedy

Beau Dowler is a Gun

 

[hardway]

Just a question for the guys in the know.. Was thsi west kid from queensland a potential top 10 pick?

 

[Brissy DeeFan]

Michael West i am presuming you are talking about. Definately at least top 20. Tall forward/Ruckman who knows how to kick a goal.

 

[The Opposition]

Dowler is very good, Mitch Clarke was a gun when i last saw him.................... and ryan jackson at number 7, you are kidding yourself and all of us!

 

[Lingsface]

Brennen Mills Claremont 179 73 Classy Tough Skillful Small Midfielder
Will be the steal of the draft more than likely, is an awesome player and if he had not broke his leg last year, would of been top 10 draftees this year but will probably go around 20-30 just because of this. Captained the australian team when they played in perth, leads by example with his actions and is probably easily the toughest player ive ever played with. So dont be surprised if this bloke catches you by suprise, when he makes afl.

 

[Bentleigh]

Very very few and many of the other regs on this board seem to be saying the same thing. Lots of rovers, lots of good triers, some guys who you'd normally take in the 40+ range ... but stand out elite guys that you'd really target? Haven't seen many.

As for top-20 mids in Victoria?

Marc Murphy (Oakleigh) is a Luke Power type but is f/s to Brisbane and so out of the discussion.

Heath Hocking (Eastern) going to be a midfield grunt like Chad Fletcher or Jarred Crouch. Probably not of interest to Collingwood, Carlton or Hawthorn who are pretty stocked there and want pace.

After that I don't think there would be many where you'd curse under your breath on draft day saying, "damn we missed a good one there". (Up to this point of the season of course - things change).

It'd be handy to have a Deledio & Tambling on your list

 

[Bentleigh]

Based on that order I would go with

1- Collingwood - Mitchell Clarke
2 - Carlton - Beau Dowler
3 - Hawthorn - Xavier Ellis
4 - Essendon - Grae Grant
5 - Western Bulldogs - Shannon Hurn
6 - Richmond - Thomas Redden
7 - Kangaroos- Marcus Drum
8 - Adelaide - Shane Neaves
9 - Brisbane - Josh Kennedy (East Freo)
10 - Sydney - Travis Varcoe

Good post and I would think this order would run closer to the mark.

One query regarding Marcus Drum though.

Do you think Richmond would overlook him for another midfielder, given that they could do with a strong tall marking presence at CHB and considerable uncertainty surrounds their tall kpp stocks?

Also, what's your view on Xavier Ellis?

I have heard some good things about him and he would appear to be a player that would suit the Hawks' needs, but I notice Weaver didn't touch on him.

I agree.

I would think Richmond will target talls early in the draft.

 

[Silvagnis]

Michael West i am presuming you are talking about. Definately at least top 20. Tall forward/Ruckman who knows how to kick a goal.

Kicked 13 but then from all reports ruptured an ACL.

 

[stemline]

I agree.

I would think Richmond will target talls early in the draft.

It'd be handy to have a Roughead and Franklin on your list

 

[mattyc2422]

It'd be handy to have a Roughead and Franklin on your list

But stemmer- they have Shane Morrison!!!

 

[Bentleigh]

It'd be handy to have a Roughead and Franklin on your list

Everyones happy

 

[carlos' roos]

Speaking to Col Sylvia on the weekend and said he had been quizzed about Benny Duscher who is now playing pioneers . Played in the seniors locally here and made a lot of his teammates including me look ordinary despite his slight frame. His form was awesome averaging 25 in the first three TAC games until he injured his ankle. Was right to go last week but had Vic trials. Not sure if he'll go high but if he can stay consistent i think he'll be a good chance at getting drafted somewhere.

 

[cs61]

can anyone give me more information on Dowler, Clarke and Ellis?

And does this draft look to be pretty average compared to last couple of years?

 

[Weaver]

But stemmer- they have Shane Morrison!!!

We'll let you have him for Doug Scott.

 

[Bentleigh]

We'll let you have him for Doug Scott.

Morrison > Scott

 

[CyberKev]

Morrison > Scott

Meh,

A kick in the guts > a punch in the balls

Its all relative until you take either blow.

Given the choice you'd like to give a wide berth to both.