2nds VFL Round 18 - Port Melbourne v Geelong, North Port Oval, 1:10PM Saturday 17 August

[PatrickBateman]

Hey man, I love them all. Chill out.

You could have just said something along the lines of - I don't know why Guthrie is better, he just is.

Consistent with most of the rubbish on here.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Patrick, having watched the last 2 games of the VFl Hunt is a rock and doing nothing wrong.
But you're arguing against a guy that is doing zip wrong at AFL level in a position that isn't washy.

Ie. He isn't part time midfield.

The kid is going to play 200 games, and I reckon he has B&F winner written all over him.

So defend Hunt all you like, but please tone it down on Guthrie, you are going to end up looking like a fool.

How does a kid with the potential to play 200 games and potential B&F winner help us in 2 games time? Explain.

You've missed the point. I agree he's done nothing wrong, did Hunt though? No. It's not about that, it's taking the best players into finals that matters. I've said it before, I have no bias towards players, I want flag number 4. I think Hunt gives us a better chance, in Rivers' or Guthrie's place.

By the way, I'm just so, so concerned about you calling me foolish. Just so you know.

 

[vinum coupe]

I've said it before, I dont think Guthrie is taking Hunts spot.
And I want Rivers AND Hunt in the team come finals.

We can't fit them all.

It's a match committee decision per opponent.

Take a chill pill and enjoy the ride.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

You could have just said something along the lines of - I don't know why Guthrie is better, he just is.

Consistent with most of the rubbish on here.

So mad

 

[PatrickBateman]

I've said it before, I dont think Guthrie is taking Hunts spot.
And I want Rivers AND Hunt in the team come finals.

We can't fit them all.

It's a match committee decision per opponent.

Take a chill pill and enjoy the ride.

I agree actually. Rivers over Hunt presents a very tall back 6. We've never really had issues covering opposition talls with Taylor, Lonergan and Mackie. This has always been a big contributor to us having the best of Hawthorn.

We have struggled with the smaller forwards though, as well as opposition midfielders floating forward. Adding Rivers to me doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Hunt is very quick in a straight line, therefore quick to spoil. The other taller guys aren't.

 

[FredLeDeux]

I agree actually. Rivers over Hunt presents a very tall back 6. We've never really had issues covering opposition talls with Taylor, Lonergan and Mackie. This has always been a big contributor to us having the best of Hawthorn.

We have struggled with the smaller forwards though, as well as opposition midfielders floating forward. Adding Rivers to me doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Hunt is very quick in a straight line, therefore quick to spoil. The other taller guys aren't.

I think there's a name missing from that group in all those wins over Hawthorn.

 

[PatrickBateman]

I think there's a name missing from that group in all those wins over Hawthorn.

Of course.. Not to disrespect the legend but we're dealing in the here and now.

 

[FredLeDeux]

Of course.. Not to disrespect the legend but we're dealing in the here and now.

Yes, but Rivers played in one of our 2 wins v Hawthorn this year.
All I'm saying is that we have generally played 3 talls plus the pseudo-tall Mackie whenever they've been available throughout our successful period, including nearly 50% of our games this year, so it's nothing new as the preferred structure.

 

[Partridge]

You could have just said something along the lines of - I don't know why Guthrie is better, he just is.

Consistent with most of the rubbish on here.

Better decision making, more accurate disposal (not longer, more accurate), is faster, and very importantly he can play two positions - either a small defender who can (and did) keep Stephen Milne goalless, and midfield tagger who is getting better in that role all the time. And he's 11 years younger.

To reiterate, it's not a straight swap, but there are my reasons why I'd prefer Guthrie.

 

[PatrickBateman]

Better decision making, more accurate disposal (not longer, more accurate), is faster, and very importantly he can play two positions - either a small defender who can (and did) keep Stephen Milne goalless, and midfield tagger who is getting better in that role all the time. And he's 11 years younger.

To reiterate, it's not a straight swap, but there are my reasons why I'd prefer Guthrie.

Fair enough. His disposal efficiency % is not as good as Hunt's though, which is extremely high. Hunt kicks long AND accurately. Very damaging.

That Saints game you're talking about is hardly an example to be used too. A pure demolition. Milne had no chances what so ever as a small forward that night, plus he's cooked anyway. Retiring for sure.

Would be nice to see Guthrie get the tank to become a tagger. Taylor Hunt isn't going to cut it for me. Either that or we pick up Ed Curnow when Carlton does the big de-listings at the end of year.

 

[cynical]

Guthrie is faster and more agile and makes better decisions. He struggles on bigger players but has good closing speed which helps against smaller lead up forwards.

Guthrie's kicking isn't as good but he mops up the loose ball a lot better.

Guthrie can also tag.

In an old and slow backline Guthrie has a bit of pace and plays the running HB role that wojo used to play.

If you look at J Hunt and Guthrie individually Hunt is the better player but as part of our back 6 Guthrie is well ahead and that's because the backline is old and slow.

In a young team with small bodies Hunt would be preferred and why if he wants to play on should look for a new home next year.

 

[dazbroncos]

I agree actually. Rivers over Hunt presents a very tall back 6. We've never really had issues covering opposition talls with Taylor, Lonergan and Mackie. This has always been a big contributor to us having the best of Hawthorn.

We have struggled with the smaller forwards though, as well as opposition midfielders floating forward. Adding Rivers to me doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Hunt is very quick in a straight line, therefore quick to spoil. The other taller guys aren't.

So if we have Stokes, Bundy, Mots, Mitch and TV in the side, cant we have HT, Lonners, Riv, Mackie, Boris and J Hunt with Guthrie playing of the bench replacing Murdoch in the side?

Guthrie is more than capable of running thru the middle and also playing back. Seems like it could work....

Im sure it will squeeze someone out somewhere...

Go Catters

 

[Gaz_Brownlow]

How does a kid with the potential to play 200 games and potential B&F winner help us in 2 games time? Explain.

You've missed the point. I agree he's done nothing wrong, did Hunt though? No. It's not about that, it's taking the best players into finals that matters. I've said it before, I have no bias towards players, I want flag number 4. I think Hunt gives us a better chance, in Rivers' or Guthrie's place.

By the way, I'm just so, so concerned about you calling me foolish. Just so you know.

Understand the arguments for Hunt.

He has been very good and is a potential weapon for us. However at this stage, I think Guthrie deserves his place over him on account of being a little tighter defensively.

Rivers is the interesting one and I'm torn on whether it suits us to have another smaller defender in Hunt or a med/tall like Riv. I think the coaches are leaning towards the latter on basis it provides us more flexibility to rotate Mackie and Taylor.

As I said though, I'm not sure of this just yet and would still like to see Hunt appear again.

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[meto]

Understand the arguments for Hunt.

He has been very good and is a potential weapon for us. However at this stage, I think Guthrie deserves his place over him on account of being a little tighter defensively.

Rivers is the interesting one and I'm torn on whether it suits us to have another smaller defender in Hunt or a med/tall like Riv. I think the coaches are leaning towards the latter on basis it provides us more flexibility to rotate Mackie and Taylor.

As I said though, I'm not sure of this just yet and would still like to see Hunt appear again.

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The versatility factor of what Rivers allows is the reason I like him in preference to Josh and I must say his form last game stepped another notch.
On the other hand depending on how they want to structure the midfield Guthrie could go there or even Hunt.
The advantages of Rivers seems obvious to me, but JH is in top form it's a tough call.

 

[Jon Douglas]

I think as far as the MC the argument is over.

Rivers and Guthrie in and JHunt out.

Now against tall forward lines we are fine. The concern is when we play small forward lines with quicker players.

If THunt or maybe even Varcoe was in form we could use them down back but neither can be used in that role right now.

We can push Mackie to a wing but who goes back that has some leg speed and run ? Those days are gone for Corey and Kelly. Bartel is a good extra backman but not as straight backman and has no pace.

Not sure what we do if we have some side in the finals realise our tall backline is excellent against tall forward lines and so go small on us.

Anyone got any ideas ?

 

[PatrickBateman]

I think as far as the MC the argument is over.

Rivers and Guthrie in and JHunt out.

Now against tall forward lines we are fine. The concern is when we play small forward lines with quicker players.

If THunt or maybe even Varcoe was in form we could use them down back but neither can be used in that role right now.

We can push Mackie to a wing but who goes back that has some leg speed and run ? Those days are gone for Corey and Kelly. Bartel is a good extra backman but not as straight backman and has no pace.

Not sure what we do if we have some side in the finals realise our tall backline is excellent against tall forward lines and so go small on us.

Anyone got any ideas ?

Even in form, those 2 mentioned are not defenders. Both would get carved up by any respectable smaller forward. People underestimate the requirements of this role. Chris Scott included. I mean, explain to me how you let Angus Monfries kick 7 goals?

 

[dazbroncos]

Regarding the Swans however is Riv the one tall too many? Tippet is covered but whom else plays tall forward for them. Goodes is out, Reid is out. LRT is out. Could be too tall and Josh may be the better option this week....

Happy to be educated on Swans tall forwards....

Go Catters

 

[Jmac2225]

Regarding the Swans however is Riv the one tall too many? Tippet is covered but whom else plays tall forward for them. Goodes is out, Reid is out. LRT is out. Could be too tall and Josh may be the better option this week....

Happy to be educated on Swans tall forwards....

Go Catters

Tippett, Jesse White and the resting ruck would make 3 talls. All depends if that's how they pick them or not though I guess.

 

[dazbroncos]

Tippett, Jesse White and the resting ruck would make 3 talls. All depends if that's how they pick them or not though I guess.

ok....

So HT, Lonners and Mackie - or do we need Riv to free Mackie up...

WE shall see and that is why I aint MC...

Go Catters

 

[AM]

Regarding the Swans however is Riv the one tall too many? Tippet is covered but whom else plays tall forward for them. Goodes is out, Reid is out. LRT is out. Could be too tall and Josh may be the better option this week....

Happy to be educated on Swans tall forwards....

Go Catters

CS hinted in his presser the three talls play this week.

 

[dazbroncos]

CS hinted in his presser the three talls play this week.

Effen time zone and sleep cycles. Wrecks my DT and SC late notice changes and im late to all the PC stuff....

Go Catters

 

[ATSAM]

Feeling sorry for Smedts because according to the ABC last week he is not eligible to play in VFL finals

 

[FredLeDeux]

Feeling sorry for Smedts because according to the ABC last week he is not eligible to play in VFL finals

I believe he's OK as long as the 1sts are still alive.

21.5 Notwithstanding the provisions of Rule 21 when a Club has both of its Senior Grade (AFL or VFL) teams engaged on the same day, (or consecutive days) the selection of players in the VFL Senior Grade team shall be unrestricted, provided a player has participated in at least one (AFL or VFL) Senior Grade or Reserve Grade match in that relevant season.
21.6 Notwithstanding the provisions of Rule 21 when an AFL Club is still qualified to participate in the AFL Finals Series, all such AFL Club listed players shall be eligible to be selected for a team participating in either the VFL Senior or VFL Reserve grade Finals Series game provided that such player has played at least 1 game in the VFL Senior Grade or missed through injury at least 8 consecutive Home and Away matches of either the AFL or VFL Season.

 

[denicat]

Would like to see J Hunt as the sub