Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion Part 2

[sr36]

Except where it doesn’t. And that’s why threads like this exist.

No idea what you're talking about.

I don't think you do either.

 

[Astro35]

do you lot ever stop complaining?

Ahhh, the privileged have had enough. Stop complaining peasants!

 

[Bulldog1954]

Still waiting to hear the Bulldogs president say he has called an extraordinary meeting with the AFL as we are very annoyed at having to play at the MCG. Still waiting for that president to get on all media outlets and say the AFL has shafted his club by not allowing them to play at their home ground.

But nothing just crickets.........

Try and Move Port Adelaides game to another ground and see what happens.

Stop complaining when all Vic clubs are complicit with the arrangement and obviously got a handout to stay happy about it.

Firstly, the Dogs president is female. Secondly, the Dogs did request a final at Marvel 3 weeks ago. This is them discussing the request on SEN - https://www.instagram.com/thewarmupsen/reel/C-PgzhksRZs/

Your argument seems to be that it is fair that we play a home final at our opponents ground because they haven't spent the last few days sooking about it, which is ridiculous.

The same logic should apply, if it is unfair that sides from outside Victoria host grand finals away from their home ground (which it is), then it is also unfair that sides in Victoria host finals at their opponents ground (which it is).

 

[doppleganger]

Still waiting to hear the Bulldogs president say he has called an extraordinary meeting with the AFL as we are very annoyed at having to play at the MCG. Still waiting for that president to get on all media outlets and say the AFL has shafted his club by not allowing them to play at their home ground.

But nothing just crickets.........

Try and Move Port Adelaides game to another ground and see what happens.

Stop complaining when all Vic clubs are complicit with the arrangement and obviously got a handout to stay happy about it.

The Dogs were too busy complaining about the timeslot.

They know they wont get a home ground final...unlike other advantaged clubs.

But yes, poor old Sydney are dudded again. Y getting a final on their home ground in the GF slot.

Only one team doesnt enjoy an "earnt" final at their home deck in week1, and everybody knows it will be the dudded Melbourne clubs.

Yet the same people still sook about how hard their team has it.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Doggies should absolutely host their home finals at their home ground. Same as Geelong down in Geelong, and any other team.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The Dogs were too busy complaining about the timeslot.

They know they wont get a home ground final...unlike other advantaged clubs.

But yes, poor old Sydney are dudded again. Y getting a final on their home ground in the GF slot.

Only one team doesnt enjoy an "earnt" final at their home deck in week1, and everybody knows it will be the dudded Melbourne clubs.

Yet the same people still sook about how hard their team has it.

Sydney should not be sooking, they should be the Friday night game as the Bulldogs v hawks game will still get the same crowd no matter when its played.

You have to stop saying Dudded, they accept it with open arms and never say a word about it.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Firstly, the Dogs president is female. Secondly, the Dogs did request a final at Marvel 3 weeks ago. This is them discussing the request on SEN - https://www.instagram.com/thewarmupsen/reel/C-PgzhksRZs/

Your argument seems to be that it is fair that we play a home final at our opponents ground because they haven't spent the last few days sooking about it, which is ridiculous.

The same logic should apply, if it is unfair that sides from outside Victoria host grand finals away from their home ground (which it is), then it is also unfair that sides in Victoria host finals at their opponents ground (which it is).

Of course it is unfair, but you accept it without a word being said. Why doesn't your club lead the3 charge and make a huge deal about it with the AFL.
But you don't, you accept it with open arms. Why is that?

 

[sr36]

Sydney should not be sooking, they should be the Friday night game as the Bulldogs v hawks game will still get the same crowd no matter when its played.

You have to stop saying Dudded, they accept it with open arms and never say a word about it.

There's two Friday night NRL games on in Sydney.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

There's two Friday night NRL games on in Sydney.

Then Thursday night and make Port geelong Friday.
Top 4 sides should always play first.

 

[Bulldog1954]

Of course it is unfair, but you accept it without a word being said. Why doesn't your club lead the3 charge and make a huge deal about it with the AFL.
But you don't, you accept it with open arms. Why is that?

Despite all of our Vicbias advantages we have played 0 home finals in our 99 years in the league. Unfortunately, whinging about it isn't gong to change the leagues decision, the AFL makes the decisions based on money, everyone knows that. If the club spent this week whinging the league isn't going to change their decision, all it would do is become a distraction. As a small, non wealthy club realistically we also aren't in a position where we can be fighting with headquarters all the time.

If Sydney were playing at ENGIE stadium this week, I daresay your focus wouldn't be on how much whinging the club was doing, it would be on how unfair it is.

This may be a shock in this thread, but small Melbourne clubs based at Etihad actually have some things that disadvantage them too The bracketing of clubs like North, St Kilda and the Dogs with sides like Collingwood in this thread is laughable.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Despite all of our Vicbias advantages we have played 0 home finals in our 99 years in the league. Unfortunately, whinging about it isn't gong to change the leagues decision, the AFL makes the decisions based on money, everyone knows that. If the club spent this week whinging the league isn't going to change their decision, all it would do is become a distraction. As a small, non wealthy club realistically we also aren't in a position where we can be fighting with headquarters all the time.

If Sydney were playing at ENGIE stadium this week, I daresay your focus wouldn't be on how much whinging the club was doing, it would be on how unfair it is.

This may be a shock in this thread, but small Melbourne clubs based at Etihad actually have some things that disadvantage them too The bracketing of clubs like North, St Kilda and the Dogs with sides like Collingwood in this thread is laughable.

I agree totally with you, I am not disputing it. But you did sign up for it. When ground rationalisation happened your CEO at the time grabbed his pen and agreed to sign up to it.
I think you should be playing at Marvel stadium, but as you don't even fight to play there then its hard to do anything other than shrug your shoulders and go they seem happy with it.

 

[doppleganger]

Sydney should not be sooking, they should be the Friday night game as the Bulldogs v hawks game will still get the same crowd no matter when its played.

The finals fixture is actually also considering the following weeks.

They align the 1st QF and 1st EF, as in wk2 of finals the loser of QF1 plays the winner of EF1.

QF loser gets the slightly longer break, but they dont want it being 8 days v 6 days.

Who ****ing cares if your game is Friday or Saturday, if Sydney lose they will still get a longer rest than their next opponent and another final at their home ground.

You have to stop saying Dudded, they accept it with open arms and never say a word about it.

I will keep saying dudded whilst the moronic Sydney fans keep up the inane VICBias sook.

Pretty obvious that in week 1 of finals one team misses out on their "earnt" home advantage final...and it is that team which is dudded.

But the Sydney fans are sooking about playing a home final in the actual GF timeslot.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

This may be a shock in this thread, but small Melbourne clubs based at Etihad actually have some things that disadvantage them too The bracketing of clubs like North, St Kilda and the Dogs with sides like Collingwood in this thread is laughable.

Nah agree with that, and I think most do.

VicBias is shorthand. See also: top contributors arguing in favour of the status quo.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The finals fixture is actually also considering the following weeks.

They align the 1st QF and 1st EF, as in wk2 of finals the loser of QF1 plays the winner of EF1.

QF loser gets the slightly longer break, but they dont want it being 8 days v 6 days.

Who ****ing cares if your game is Friday or Saturday, if Sydney lose they will still get a longer rest than their next opponent and another final at their home ground.


I will keep saying dudded whilst the moronic Sydney fans keep up the inane VICBias sook.

Pretty obvious that in week 1 of finals one team misses out on their "earnt" home advantage final...and it is that team which is dudded.

But the Sydney fans are sooking about playing a home final in the actual GF timeslot.

Yeah well they have always had a bit of an inferiority complex to Melbourne. lol

 

[doppleganger]

Nah agree with that, and I think most do.

VicBias is shorthand. See also: top contributors arguing in favour of the status quo.

Who is arguing to retain the status quo?

About time the AFL address the horrible H&A season disadvantage that the Melbourne teams cop by not getting their home games at their home ground.

Finals we just live with it, shafted in weeks1-3, but get rub of the green in week 4.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Who is arguing to retain the status quo?

About time the AFL address the horrible H&A season disadvantage that the Melbourne teams cop by not getting their home games at their home ground.

Finals we just live with it, shafted in weeks1-3, but get rub of the green in week 4.

How does that happen? So no more selling games to Tasmania, Ballarat etc?
Collingwood for example get all their games at the G?

I agree with all of that. But don't ask us non vic clubs to do the Ballarat, Tassie, etc thing.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

About time the AFL address the horrible H&A season disadvantage that the Melbourne teams cop

You keep banging on about this home ground advantage for interstate clubs but then conveniently ignore that it is offset by being disadvantaged on the other side.

Port v Collingwood for example.

Port: 10 games with a clear disadvantage due to playing away.

Collingwood: 5 games with a disadvantage. 6 if you want to include away games at Marvel (even though against another Vic team).

The number of neutral games significantly reduces the number of games the pies play without that disadvantage.

This so called advantage you’ve been banging on about every second post all year is irrelevant. Is a nil all draw at the end due to then the “disadvantage” that comes with pure away games every second week.

So yes they lose some home ground advantage, but they don’t lose as much away disadvantage which you like to ignore in claiming that interstate clubs are only top due to their home ground.

Easier to win at a neutral ground than it is away 10 times a year.

 

[LoungeLizard]

You keep banging on about this home ground advantage for interstate clubs but then conveniently ignore that it is offset by being disadvantaged on the other side.

Port v Collingwood for example.

Port: 10 games with a clear disadvantage due to playing away.

Collingwood: 5 games with a disadvantage. 6 if you want to include away games at Marvel (even though against another Vic team).

The number of neutral games significantly reduces the number of games the pies play without that disadvantage.

This so called advantage you’ve been banging on about every second post all year is irrelevant. Is a nil all draw at the end due to then the “disadvantage” that comes with pure away games every second week.

So yes they lose some home ground advantage, but they don’t lose as much away disadvantage which you like to ignore in claiming that interstate clubs are only top due to their home ground.

Easier to win at a neutral ground than it is away 10 times a year.

That bold bit doesn't make sense, i'm sorry.

You do know 2 teams are playing on that neutral ground yeah, so what you're saying is it's easier for both.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Except the 1 v 4 game gets one of the least desirable time slots. Sydney even requested the Friday night game, but despite finishing 1st that request was denied.

If you can't show us proof that Sydney requested Friday night, I call BS, you are known to tell porkies.

 

[sr36]

You keep banging on about this home ground advantage for interstate clubs but then conveniently ignore that it is offset by being disadvantaged on the other side.

I agree with you, but you should also point out the same thing to the posters who carry on about Vic teams travelling less - less disadvantaged games, but also less advantaged games.

 

[doppleganger]

You keep banging on about this home ground advantage for interstate clubs but then conveniently ignore that it is offset by being disadvantaged on the other side.

Port v Collingwood for example.

Port: 10 games with a clear disadvantage due to playing away.

Collingwood: 5 games with a disadvantage. 6 if you want to include away games at Marvel (even though against another Vic team).

The number of neutral games significantly reduces the number of games the pies play without that disadvantage.

This so called advantage you’ve been banging on about every second post all year is irrelevant. Is a nil all draw at the end due to then the “disadvantage” that comes with pure away games every second week.

So yes they lose some home ground advantage, but they don’t lose as much away disadvantage which you like to ignore in claiming that interstate clubs are only top due to their home ground.

Easier to win at a neutral ground than it is away 10 times a year.

Port have 13 games at AO, 11 with a full advantage against a team not from SA.

Port play 9 away games at the home ground of their opponent.

So positive 2 to Port in terms of ground advantage.

Collingwood have 14 games at the MCG, only 4 with a full advantage against a team not from VIC.

Collingwood play 5 away games at the home ground of their opponent.

A negative 1 to the Pies in terms of ground advantage.

 

[Walshawk]

It is hard to take any travel complaints of GC or GWS seriously when they are selling off home games interstate but one possible way to mitigate the travel for non Vic clubs:

When Tassie come in, and we move to 24 games. Non - Vic clubs get 12 home games (SA clubs get their extra at Gather Round), and the Vic club keep 11, plus a neutral games (Gather Round plus three others - e.g. Canberra or Darwin).

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

Yeah the crowd another factor.

If the crowd isn't 90%+ going for one team, the crowd advantage doesnt exist.

tipping point starts well before 90%

 

[sr36]

It is hard to take any travel complaints of GC or GWS seriously when they are selling off home games interstate but one possible way to mitigate the travel for non Vic clubs:

When Tassie come in, and we move to 24 games. Non - Vic clubs get 12 home games (SA clubs get their extra at Gather Round), and the Vic club keep 11, plus a neutral games (Gather Round plus three others - e.g. Canberra or Darwin).

I doubt they'll move to 24 games - With 19 teams, you'll have to have at least 2 byes per club - plus this extra round you're suggesting - it'll add another two weeks to an already long season.

 

[Walshawk]

I doubt they'll move to 24 games - With 19 teams, you'll have to have at least 2 byes per club - plus this extra round you're suggesting - it'll add another two weeks to an already long season.

Actually it only adds a week (we already have two byes - three if you count Opening Round and pre-finals bye). And if they go back to 22 it means no Gather Round.