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So SA clubs received start-up concessions and access to kids of parents who never even played a game for the Adelaide Crows or Port Power. But the SA fan think they deserved even more.

And now they arent happy to have to follow the same F/S rules that all clubs follow, which are constantly adjusted.

Back when Gaz was chosen the draft didnt even use the points per pick. But yeah lets go back to the future because the SA fan thinks that is fair.
So I see after saying the Port joined the competition you now want to cherry pick and try and say that Port Power isn't Port Adelaide Football Club. Just infuriating.
 
Anyone who is happy to watch Carlton on a Friday night will watch Moe Under 16's if you play it on a Friday night. People watch AFLW enough for 7 to televise it!
You really can't handle it can you?
Go look at the TV ratings I put up, it's all in there, people outside of SA don't want to watch you, yes they would probably rather watch the Moe under 16's.
 

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No they didnt. Not even close. Victorian clubs remained in the same competition they have always been in. Its an uncomfortable truth for many, but it remains the truth nonetheless.

In the first place, nothing changed at all about the leagues governance other than the addition of two teams in 1987. The league name didnt change until 1990, and the VFL Board of Directors didnt hand over control until 1993.

The AFLs ACN dates to 1929, and specifically notes it was the Victorian Football League as a prior name.

The Articles of Association for the league didnt change at all until 1993.
Wait a minute Football in the VFL era was administered by the NFL which was the overarching authority above each state league. This was replaced by the AFL Commission and at that moment in 1990 the AFL was no longer the VFL whether you like it or not.
 
The "club" LoL

Port Power get access to kids if the parent has played 100 games for the Power...that is the same as ALL AFL clubs.

But Port Power also get access to SANFL teams - North Adelaide, West Adelaide, Central, Woodville and the Port Magpies.

So you get more access, but want even more.

Yet think this is an example of VICBias?
And have we ever got one player under those rules which were supposedly for the 20 years during the change of eras SANFL to AFL. The answer is ONE PLAYER IN ABOUT 20 YEARS. Now that we have access to the sons of Port Adelaide AFL players you want to change the rules.
 
And have we ever got one player under those rules which were supposedly for the 20 years during the change of eras SANFL to AFL. The answer is ONE PLAYER IN ABOUT 20 YEARS. Now that we have access to the sons of Port Adelaide AFL players you want to change the rules.
You reckon you aren't sooking, just listen to yourself, you are grasping at anything to cry about.

Here.

Just to make you feel better.

The AFL changed the rules on Father/Son just to upset Port.
 
Wait a minute Football in the VFL era was administered by the NFL which was the overarching authority above each state league. This was replaced by the AFL Commission and at that moment in 1990 the AFL was no longer the VFL whether you like it or not.

that is completely false.

The VFL Commissioners became the AFL Commissioners in 1990 as a result of a brand change in 1990 (VFL Park and VFL House likewise became AFL House and AFL Park). The AFL Commission replaced the AFL Board of Directors in 1993 - again all heavily documented.

The NFL was a governing body that never had any control over anything the VFL did, while being heavily reliant on their involvement and finances - leading the VFL to stage competing competitions that lead to the ANFC disbanding theres.

THe NFL disbanded in 1995 - 2 years after the AFL Commission was created, and 5 years after the VFL rebrand - after it became irrelevant after years of not being able to reign in the VFL and having its own plan for national competition flatly ignored by them. The AFL stepped into the vaccuum declaring itself the governing body.
 
So you agree that it is a bit rich for SA fans to complain re TV exposure, when they have it much better compared to many Melbourne based fans.
We don't like it when we get Channel 7 delaying the telecast. The point is people resist change but do we get to see our teams on free to air more than a St Kilda or North Melbourne supporter the answer is Yes.

At no stage have I complained about this - just access to Friday night games and the revenue that it produces. Fu*k we were even happy to go to China to try and make cash.

The sad reality is we had a GMH factory within 10km of Alberton Oval but GMH were sponsoring Collingwood. We had to go cap in hand to Renault and get much less money and every time you get national coverage that amount of sponsorship goes up. And the more money you have the better your training facilities can be and more advantage that you have.
 
LOL - Dogs and Hawks won premierships as they were able to travel and win finals.

And the most disadvantaged clubs are the two old VFL powerhouses - Carlton and Essendon - they dont have a home anymore, and have been irrelevant ever since Marvel came in.
Both clubs caught cheating and lost a decade due to the fact they are CHEATS. They are irrelevant because of that not because of Marvel.
 
Oh you mean like how the son of our 392 game 4 time Magarey Medalist wasn't actually eligible under father/son rules but nobody checked it because he couldn't be not eligible
You mean a played you got under F/S rules.
In our first 20 years I think we got one father son who wasn't even eligible and we are quite happy now to continue under the rules that are in place
Well when a new club enters a competition, how many F/S picks should they get?

Considering that nobody had played for the Port Power before.

Bit of a nonsense to think Port Power are entitled to sons of Central Districts player under a F/S rule.

But that is what you SA people think the rule is about.
And thanks for those draft concessions which meant we had to give up the Top 5 draft picks and 5 more picks in the 20's for that year to other clubs so Port got Ian Downsborough who played 7 games for us while West Coast got Michael Gardiner who played 181 games and was AA in 2003.
Start-up concessions

Would Tredrea have gone #1 in open draft that year? You just got him with the start-up access.

Port never going to get the actual pick1, as you got all the SA kids before draft.

Which senior players you attracted is also unfair?

The point is you were getting start-up concessions, and zone access to SA talent.

But you are sooking about F/S at the same time!!
 
So I see after saying the Port joined the competition you now want to cherry pick and try and say that Port Power isn't Port Adelaide Football Club. Just infuriating.
If you solely wanted access to just Port Magpies sons, then it would make sense.

But no, it Port were given half the SANFL, making a mockery of F/S concept as Centrals has what relevance to Port?

And then the SA fans turn around and complain that it isnt fair!!
 
Both clubs caught cheating and lost a decade due to the fact they are CHEATS. They are irrelevant because of that not because of Marvel.
It has been almost been a quarter of century since Marvel opened now.

The two teams who split games across Marvel and the MCG, aka homeless, have been irrelevant.

Trying to play in a Home & Away season with no home ground...that is a huge disadvantage.
 
that is completely false.

The VFL Commissioners became the AFL Commissioners in 1990 as a result of a brand change in 1990 (VFL Park and VFL House likewise became AFL House and AFL Park). The AFL Commission replaced the AFL Board of Directors in 1993 - again all heavily documented.

The NFL was a governing body that never had any control over anything the VFL did, while being heavily reliant on their involvement and finances - leading the VFL to stage competing competitions that lead to the ANFC disbanding theres.

THe NFL disbanded in 1995 - 2 years after the AFL Commission was created, and 5 years after the VFL rebrand - after it became irrelevant after years of not being able to reign in the VFL and having its own plan for national competition flatly ignored by them. The AFL stepped into the vaccuum declaring itself the governing body.
At no stage did the VFL have control of football outside of that league itself. The rules of the game were administered by the NFL/ANFC. So the AFL Commission superseded this authority. So they became the custodian of the game at a national level whether you are Collingwood FC or Weipa under 8's. So the AFL administered by the AFL Commission is therefore the national competition just by virtue of the name. There was no VFL rebrand of the NFL that is nonsense and the NFL decided the rules of football so its also nonsense that they had no control over the VFL.
 

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If you solely wanted access to just Port Magpies sons, then it would make sense.

But no, it Port were given half the SANFL, making a mockery of F/S concept as Centrals has what relevance to Port?

And then the SA fans turn around and complain that it isnt fair!!
I think you'll find on the Port Adelaide thread people arguing for exactly that - access to Port Adelaide players that had played 100 games for Port Adelaide but that wasn't what the SANFL wanted and would have been an advantage to us. Which was why it didn't happen.

Instead got a convoluted rule that got us NOTHING. Just Brett Ebert who wasn't eligible.
 
It has been almost been a quarter of century since Marvel opened now.

The two teams who split games across Marvel and the MCG, aka homeless, have been irrelevant.

Trying to play in a Home & Away season with no home ground...that is a huge disadvantage.
Marvel Stadium is their home ground the same that Adelaide Oval is our home ground. Don't hear us whining that we should play our home games at Alberton Oval its not practical. I just don't get it. If someone said that Port could play 15/22 games on 2 grounds within 20 minutes travel of each other I'd jump at it.

But somehow this is a major disadvantage - IT'S MINDBOGGLING!
 
Marvel Stadium is their home ground the same that Adelaide Oval is our home ground.
No they are "co-tenants".

Ask a Carlton fan where their home is, most will still say Princes Park!
Don't hear us whining that we should play our home games at Alberton Oval its not practical. I just don't get it. If someone said that Port could play 15/22 games on 2 grounds within 20 minutes travel of each other I'd jump at it.
You get 13 at AO this year, 11 with a genuine home ground advantage.

Carlton play majority of their home games against opponents who are more familiar with the ground.

So it would be more akin to Port playing a home game against Glenelg at Glenelg Oval and being told to suck it up because the ground is in Adelaide so it is still a home advantage to Port.
But somehow this is a major disadvantage - IT'S MINDBOGGLING!
Yeah, Carlton v StKilda at Marvel...how is that an advantage to Carlton?

Carlton v Melbourne at the G, again how is that an advantage to Carlton?
 
You mean a played you got under F/S rules.

Well when a new club enters a competition, how many F/S picks should they get?

Considering that nobody had played for the Port Power before.

Bit of a nonsense to think Port Power are entitled to sons of Central Districts player under a F/S rule.

But that is what you SA people think the rule is about.

Start-up concessions

Would Tredrea have gone #1 in open draft that year? You just got him with the start-up access.

Port never going to get the actual pick1, as you got all the SA kids before draft.

Which senior players you attracted is also unfair?

The point is you were getting start-up concessions, and zone access to SA talent.

But you are sooking about F/S at the same time!!
We got SA players that hadn't been drafted already. I believe that Tredrea was eligible for the draft in 1995 but didn't make himself available. Francou was older but never picked up. Most of the Port players no AFL club had looked at or didn't rate such as James, Mead, Poole and Carter. And if the rumours are true that we paid some players not to enter the draft. Smart move by us because if we didn't we would have spent years at the bottom because we got given SFA.

And yet again you deny that Port Adelaide FC in the AFL is Port Adelaide FC in the SANFL but the AFL is the VFL. At least try and maintain some type of consistency in your BS.
 
We got SA players that hadn't been drafted already. I believe that Tredrea was eligible for the draft in 1995 but didn't make himself available. Francou was older but never picked up. Most of the Port players no AFL club had looked at or didn't rate such as James, Mead, Poole and Carter. And if the rumours are true that we paid some players not to enter the draft.
As I said, Port was benefitting from start-up concessions. Getting access to plenty of SA based talent.

They also get a nonsense F/S rule put in place that granted them access to kids from random SANFL clubs.

But again, ViCBias because you wanted even more special access?
And yet again you deny that Port Adelaide FC in the AFL is Port Adelaide FC in the SANFL but the AFL is the VFL. At least try and maintain some type of consistency in your BS.
That was the SANFL that made it clear upon entry that Port Power were a seperate club to the Port Magpies who played in the SANFL.

But yeah VICBias
 
As I said, Port was benefitting from start-up concessions. Getting access to plenty of SA based talent.

They also get a nonsense F/S rule put in place that granted them access to kids from random SANFL clubs.

But again, ViCBias because you wanted even more special access?

That was the SANFL that made it clear upon entry that Port Power were a seperate club to the Port Magpies who played in the SANFL.

But yeah VICBias
You can't beat stupid they just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience - I'm Out.
 
Marvel Stadium is their home ground the same that Adelaide Oval is our home ground. Don't hear us whining that we should play our home games at Alberton Oval its not practical. I just don't get it. If someone said that Port could play 15/22 games on 2 grounds within 20 minutes travel of each other I'd jump at it.

But somehow this is a major disadvantage - IT'S MINDBOGGLING!

No, you can't afford it to renovate the ground.
 
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