Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[Farang83150]

And growing up he was a Sth Freo supporter!

 

[LoungeLizard]

I got this great idea.

How about all you non-Vic teams start your own league, then you can make all the rules you want.

I can answer this myself, you won't do this because you are too lazy and useless to do anything for yourselves, you need the Vics to do it all for you, then you follow like sheep.

Please, please, please prove me wrong.
Go on do it, we won't miss you.

 

[doppleganger]

And growing up he was a Sth Freo supporter!

Perhaps the WA teams should push for a "kids play for who they supported when growing up" rule.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Perhaps the WA teams should push for a "kids play for who they supported when growing up" rule.

I think Freo should be allowed to take 20 picks of who they want, any players, the West Coast the next 20.

Or alternate between Freo and WC.

Do you think this will make them happy?

I bet not.

 

[JackOutback]

But the argument isn't objectively true.

There's a whole lot of theories being put forward that Vic teams have a big advantage in terms of the draw. However outcomes in terms of ladder positions don't suggest that there is an advantage - these outcomes are completely ignored by the #VICBIAS crew.

Outcomes in finals series have favoured Victorian teams (well actually 4 victorian teams that have won 13 of the 15 flags). These outcomes are seen as definitive proof. One outcome is definitive proof - the other ignored as it doesn't fit the narrative. Clearly a biased rather than objective conclusion.

It's hardly objective conclusion to conclude that the theorised advantages in the home and away series don't result in a tilted outcome in the home and away, but result in a tilted advantage in the final series.

Sports comps are often dominated for a period of time by people or teams who can be grouped from a particular area. In sport the best win more often. Look at tennis, Australians went through a period where we won 13 out of 16 Wimbledon Men's Titles - in the simpleton thinking of this thread that was clear evidence of #Australianbias. More recently Mens tennis has been absolutely dominated for a very long time by #Europeanbias with the other regions of the world not getting a look in with Djokavic, Nadal and Federer winning everything.

Follow the chain of comments. It was about Collingwood getting the vast majority of games at the MCG and the grand final then being held at the MCG, regardless of ladder position. It’s an objectively true advantage and there’s no plans to change it for nearly 50 years.

 

[sr36]

Follow the chain of comments. It was about Collingwood getting the vast majority of games at the MCG and the grand final then being held at the MCG, regardless of ladder position. It’s an objectively true advantage and there’s no plans to change it for nearly 50 years.

When used as a response to every point made - the comment itself might be objective, but the reasoning certainly isn't. It's like the Syndey fan who goes with 15 out of 17 to support every point, which is an objective fact even though the reasoning isn't..

 

[Carringbush2010]

so people in Vic lost their shit.

link?

 

[doppleganger]

When used as a response to every point made - the comment itself might be objective, but the reasoning certainly isn't. It's like the Syndey fan who goes with 15 out of 17 to support every point, which is an objective fact even though the reasoning isn't..

The 15 of 17 also includes GFs won at the GABBA and Optus Stadium.

Not sure how Richmond beating Port in Adelaide in a PF, and then winning a GF at the GABBA had anything to do with VICBias and the GF being at the G.

 

[Freomaniac]

?? What does the pandemic, when Melbourne teams spent around 3 months in hubs whilst WA teams went home, have to do with anything??

Dan Andrews will go down as Victorias greatest State Premier.

I wish South Australia had someone half as good as him!

 

[Swansong81]

Absolutely hilarious the fact that Sydney are 10-1 and they talk about the dogs. If it was any Melbourne team they would be circle jerking themselves like they did with the pies last year. But no let's talk about dogs injuries, pies reserection and anything else Victoria related. It's a joke if they want the other states to gain interest they would have Immense interstate talk. But no let's make the vics who are always keen anyway happy and talk about them

 

[Engimal v3]

Me when I make stuff up to make myself feel better:

Any Collingwood game is relentless barracking for them, so if you happen to think it was 'biased', it just means the barracking for the Pies was more subdued than normal.

Just like the previous week, when the all WA commentary team didn't cheerlead for Melbourne, so people in Vic lost their shit.

Quite hilarious really.

No self-awareness whatsoever.

 

[doppleganger]

Absolutely hilarious the fact that Sydney are 10-1 and they talk about the dogs. If it was any Melbourne team they would be circle jerking themselves like they did with the pies last year. But no let's talk about dogs injuries, pies reserection and anything else Victoria related. It's a joke if they want the other states to gain interest they would have Immense interstate talk. But no let's make the vics who are always keen anyway happy and talk about them

Watch the first segment of First Crack if you need a Swans circle jerk. Plenty of Swans love.

The poor disadvantaged Swans looking good for their 7th GF in the last 20 seasons, the most of any club.

The six smaller Melbourne / Marvel tenants - Carl, Ess, StK, WB, North and Melbourne - have combined for just 6 GF appearances in the same 20 year period.

Yet Swans fans think there is a bias against them...

 

[The Feeder Club]

I got this great idea.

How about all you non-Vic teams start your own league, then you can make all the rules you want.

I can answer this myself, you won't do this because you are too lazy and useless to do anything for yourselves, you need the Vics to do it all for you, then you follow like sheep.

Please, please, please prove me wrong.
Go on do it, we won't miss you.

That's actually the first sensible suggestion you've made on this thread.

Freo, West Coast, Adelaide and Port, Brisbane and Sydney will get together. Well call it something original like, I don't know, the Australian Football League.

Being Australian, we do need a few Victorian teams, maybe four? We don't want to discriminate though and just pick four, we'll have a proper EOI process, any of the existing 10 can bid to join. Maybe a couple of the smaller clubs will amalgamate to make their bid more attractive?

I do hope the pies bid, I kinda like you guys. One thing though, the prison bars. Sorry but Port was here first. You'll have to change your colours to join.

Not willing to compromise? That's fine, there's plenty of other Vic teams willing to join the Australian Football League. Enjoy playing against Sandringham and Werribee each week. We'll miss you Collingwood

 

[Papa G]

It is often speculated on here why the Vic minnows don't side with the non Vic sides considering they get treated fairly poorly too compared to the Big Vic 4-6.

Blind patriotism? Yeah a bit. I'm sure few have considered it, but discounted it for a few major reasons.

Victorian Government money. They completely depend on it. You can't upset the apple cart there.

Fixturing. Don't piss the AFL off. These teams have a 15-20k core support. They need the games against the other big Vic teams to get crowds Games against the bigger Vic teams not only bring oppo support, in brings in the event game supporters.

North only exist due to Victorian support. They can't afford to piss off anybody.

Melbourne get the historical quirk of be tied to the Citadel of Corruption. They aint rattling any cages

Saints are fukced Financially. Such a bizarre club.

Dogs have signed a confidentiality contract for the umpiring in the 2016 GF.

So really, despite their own interests, the AFL has them over a barrel.

 

[sr36]

It is often speculated on here why the Vic minnows don't side with the non Vic sides considering they get treated fairly poorly too compared to the Big Vic 4-6.

Blind patriotism? Yeah a bit. I'm sure few have considered it, but discounted it for a few major reasons.

Victorian Government money. They completely depend on it. You can't upset the apple cart there.

Fixturing. Don't piss the AFL off. These teams have a 15-20k core support. They need the games against the other big Vic teams to get crowds Games against the bigger Vic teams not only bring oppo support, in brings in the event game supporters.

North only exist due to Victorian support. They can't afford to piss off anybody.

Melbourne get the historical quirk of be tied to the Citadel of Corruption. They aint rattling any cages

Saints are fukced Financially. Such a bizarre club.

Dogs have signed a confidentiality contract for the umpiring in the 2016 GF.

So really, despite their own interests, the AFL has them over a barrel.

The real question is why WA and SA side with the clubs who are getting the biggest leg up - academy teams. My theory doesn't fictionalise confidentiality agreements. I just put it down to stupidity.

 

[LoungeLizard]

That's actually the first sensible suggestion you've made on this thread.

Freo, West Coast, Adelaide and Port, Brisbane and Sydney will get together. Well call it something original like, I don't know, the Australian Football League.

Being Australian, we do need a few Victorian teams, maybe four? We don't want to discriminate though and just pick four, we'll have a proper EOI process, any of the existing 10 can bid to join. Maybe a couple of the smaller clubs will amalgamate to make their bid more attractive?

I do hope the pies bid, I kinda like you guys. One thing though, the prison bars. Sorry but Port was here first. You'll have to change your colours to join.

Not willing to compromise? That's fine, there's plenty of other Vic teams willing to join the Australian Football League. Enjoy playing against Sandringham and Werribee each week. We'll miss you Collingwood

Don't talk about doing it, DO IT.

I will give you an idea how to start.

Stop buying memberships, stop going and watching this league, then lobby your clubs to break away, I bet not one of you will do it.

 

[momentbymoment]

Meanwhile, those poor minnow clubs like West Coast (4 premierships since 1990), Brisbane (3 premierships this century, currently on a streak of 4 straight top 4 finishes) and Sydney (2.premierships and have played in a quarter of the grand finals of the last 20 years) just simply cannot compete.

So, so much Vicbias!

Have a good look at the flag winners over the last 20 years. Not easy for a non Victorian team to win the flag in recent times. And let’s be honest, if a Northern team does win there is a Victorian outcry, trade bans, etc.

If Sydney manages to win this year, we all know the Northern academies will be banned.

The competition is designed to ensure Victorian teams dominate the flags.
It is what it is …

 

[momentbymoment]

Yep. Home and Away has been even. vic teams have dominated flags recently.

But when you drill down it's 13 out of 15 as the covid years didn't have the advantages that everyone craps on about so not worth looking at them.

Then you look at those 13

Two to the Tigers - if you understand the current game then you know that the tigers were well ahead of the comp tactically - with every decent team now focussing on their signatures and trying to have them as their own signatures.

7 between the Cats and the Hawks - who like Brisbane before them were quite just simply the best group of players well drilled.

There's only 4 left - 2 to vic teams and 2 to non-vic teams.

This feels very Trumpy.

 

[sr36]

This feels very Trumpy.

I'd say the Trumpy bit is Sydney fans complaining about vicbias whilst sitting on top of the ladder off the back of some special recruiting rules that only apply to them and 3 other non-Vic clubs.

 

[kreuze_missile]

VICBias is only real beacuse of where majority of the teams currently reside.

For the good of the competition I'd be fine with St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, Melbourne and North Melbourne getting relocated or folded to free up some licenses.

 

[Elixuh]

There's two peculiar things in the AFL rules in terms of advantage. The MCG grand final and the Northern clubs having preferential recruiting rules.

Everything else that people carry on about is standard in every other sporting comp in the world.

It's just a bunch of sad sacks trying to position themselves as victims and demanding a handicap.

Do the wa basketball and soccer team supporters carry on like this about their extra travel? If so the NRL are smart to not have a WA yea constantly whinging and expecting a handicap. No idea how SA are whinging when gather round has given them the advantage of a bonus home game.

In other sports do clubs from states that don't produve as many players expect a handicap like the Northern club fans carry on about?

You're not victims of an afl vicbias conspiracy, you're victims of shock jocks knowing that this sort of shit sells.

The most peculiar thing about the AFL as a major national sporting competition is having half the competitions teams in one city (or more than half of you count Geelongs proximity to the city) and how that gears the commercial realities of the competition. Effectively everything works backwards from that.

 

[Rusty Brookes]

VICBias is only real beacuse of where majority of the teams currently reside.

For the good of the competition I'd fine with St Kilda, Western Bulldogs, Hawthorn, Melbourne and North Melbourne getting relocated or folded to free up some licenses.

Given four of those clubs have won premierships since your club's last tilt maybe you can the Blues to the list.

 

[Elixuh]

Given four of those clubs have won premierships since your club's last tilt maybe you can the Blues to the list.

I’d lock Collingwood into remaining due to their size and wealth. The rest of the Melbourne clubs should be drawn from a hat. Total of 4 teams to remain.

Melbourne is basically Collingwood then daylight then all the other minnow Melbourne clubs.

 

[doppleganger]

The real question is why WA and SA side with the clubs who are getting the biggest leg up - academy teams. My theory doesn't fictionalise confidentiality agreements. I just put it down to stupidity.

They even acknowledge that 6 of the Vic sides get treated poorly, yet continue to lump all Vic teams together so they can continue to moan about the pretend Vicbias.

It can only be stupidity.

 

[Elixuh]

I got this great idea.

How about all you non-Vic teams start your own league, then you can make all the rules you want.

I can answer this myself, you won't do this because you are too lazy and useless to do anything for yourselves, you need the Vics to do it all for you, then you follow like sheep.

Please, please, please prove me wrong.
Go on do it, we won't miss you.

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