Mega Thread VICBias - Genuine Discussion

[go_the_dockers]

How mich additional player sponsorship money can players get with 14 national broadcast cast, 2 marquee time slots and 5 Friday games vs a team 1 Friday night game, and 4 national broadcast games?

 

[Olian]

Perhaps the bias is not with grand final day but perhaps there is a bias favouring interstate sides over victorian sides making it easier for interstate sides that arent really in the top two sides to get through to the grand final when they dont really deserve to be there? Have we thought about this?

not an issue with yesterdays game as brisbane were a clear top two team but there have been a lot of average interstate sides making the grand final in the past 11 years that werent really one of the best two sides.

i.e last year cats and pies were best two sides yet swans make it through. We have freo and eagles making it through to gf. Both werent grand final level in 2013 and 2014. Swans a lcouple of times including a year they nabbed it in 2012 when they probably shouldnt of even been there. Gws wasnt really a grand final level side In 2019.

Lol so interstate sides are now not worthy of making it. You can’t make this stuff up.

Looking at last year, how were the Pies more deserving… For the record Melbourne finished 2nd.

 

[demondavey]

Why all this discussion about the MCG, Collingwood finished top and would have always been seeded top for a home final anyway. A lot of salt tbh.

But in 2015 WC finished higher than Hawthorn and it was played at the MCG.

 

[Olian]

But in 2015 WC finished higher than Hawthorn and it was played at the MCG.

Swans in 2016 and Crows in 2017.

 

[kranky al]

Well thats dumb. It’s the crowds that create home bias. That swing umpires decisions and create pressure for opposition teams and drive momentum for home teams. Not the grounds. The grounds really arent all that different and have neglible impact on the game.

The w eagles web worked on skinny subi and failed on the wide mcg.

Disagree totally.

 

[demondavey]

Perhaps the bias is not with grand final day but perhaps there is a bias favouring interstate sides over victorian sides making it easier for interstate sides that arent really in the top two sides to get through to the grand final when they dont really deserve to be there? Have we thought about this?

not an issue with yesterdays game as brisbane were a clear top two team but there have been a lot of average interstate sides making the grand final in the past 11 years that werent really one of the best two sides.

i.e last year cats and pies were best two sides yet swans make it through. We have freo and eagles making it through to gf. Both werent grand final level in 2013 and 2014. Swans a couple of times including a year they nabbed it in 2012 when they probably shouldnt of even been there. Gws wasnt really a grand final level side In 2019.

There isn’t a bias favouring interstate sides. Not sure what your point is but if you’re talking about making it then all you need to do is look at home ground advantages all over the AFL. Statistics will tell you that it’s a real thing.

The only way for the two best sides to face off to determine the best is to take that home ground away in a GF.

 

[kranky al]

Why all this discussion about the MCG, Collingwood finished top and would have always been seeded top for a home final anyway. A lot of salt tbh.

So 2018 should have been played at optus?

Cant have it both ways

They won multiple finals away from the G including a flag!

in 2020

In 16/17/18 they were dogshit away from the g and played a higher ranked team at the g.

 

[kranky al]

2020 says otherwise…

That’s nice, but they played a higher ranked adelaide at the g in 2017 and they were dogshit away from the g in 16/17/18

By the time 2020 came along they were a hardened team.

 

[sr36]

VICBias is alive and well. Nothing will change and the gap between advantages the Victorian teams benefit from and that non-Victorian teams don’t receive will continue.

Whether it be the MCG hosting the grand final or a draw that sees Victorian teams travelling a handful of times interstate it is what it is.

Meanwhile there's preferential recruiting rules for the 4 Northern state clubs. The advantages of that are only just kicking in. Those 4 clubs made up 3 of the top 8. Two of the top 4 and one of the top 2. If you don't except their over-representation at the pointy end to increase from there, then you're not watching.

 

[Stottzy]

Plans should be made to build stadiums, or adjust ovals to the same dimensions as the G. Extremely expensive and incredibly unlikely. But the only way it's going to be fair.

 

[kranky al]

Meanwhile there's preferential recruiting rules for the 4 Northern state clubs. The advantages of that are only just kicking in. Those 4 clubs made up 3 of the top 8. Two of the top 4 and one of the top 2. If you don't except their representation at the pointy end to increase from there, then you're not watching.

Theres no creature on the face of this earth earth more alert for a disadvantage that affects his club than a Victorian.

Anyone outside of Victoria who notices a disadvantage for his club is a whinger.


#justviccothings


How many flags you had in the last 20 years?


How many of these northern clubs players have you got?

 

[Olian]

Meanwhile there's preferential recruiting rules for the 4 Northern state clubs. The advantages of that are only just kicking in. Those 4 clubs made up 3 of the top 8. Two of the top 4 and one of the top 2. If you don't except their representation at the pointy end to increase from there, then you're not watching.

How many flags have all these academy players won?

Academy players just means that the northern clubs won’t lose players to the go home factor like they have in the past.

 

[le dominateur]

IMO one of the better umpired GFs in years. Brisbane had their chances to win but had half a dozen MIA.


On iPhone using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[kranky al]

Plans should be made to build stadiums, or adjust ovals to the same dimensions as the G. Extremely expensive and incredibly unlikely. But the only way it's going to be fair.

It’s never going to be fair having gf’s at the ground with the most tenants in oz.

The only fair thing is a rotated gf or a best of 3 with the decider being at the higher ranked teams ground or in the case of two interstate clubs playing - the mcg is the decider.

 

[Chode1]

We interstate supporters just continue to let the vic bias happen by paying our memberships and going to our games, showdowns and all, pumping money and supporting a VFL competition that couldn’t be happier.
15 out of 17 vic premierships is all that matters - it’s so out of balance for a national comp. How isn’t this obvious?!?
I can’t even go back to my local comp and support my bloods because the vfl have f$&@led that comp up too.
Possible Scenario: Next year, GWS have an amazing year and finish top and play Collingwood/Melbourne/Carlton in the grand final who say finish 2nd/3rd/4th. MCG grand final!?!? Might as well give the vic team the trophy. Hard years work to play the granny on the other teams home ground in front of their supporters and having to travel. Wtf?! Roll on VFL

By the way: Collingwood deserved to win, deserved to play at G, best team all year! Congrats!

Go power (meh)

 

[sr36]

Theres no creature on the face of this earth earth more alert for a disadvantage that affects his club than a Victorian.

Anyone outside of Victoria who notices a disadvantage for his club is a whinger.


#justviccothings


How many flags you had in the last 20 years?


How many of these northern clubs players have you got?

Other than geography, there's basically 3 advantages/disadvantages built into the system. MCG granny, academy rules, and f/s which is a disadvantage for GWS and GC.

For the Pies, I'd swap a home grand final for the academy rules every day of the week.

Meanwhile you keep fighting the one that isn't going to impact WCE for a bloody long time. With Tassie coming in, it's going to even harder to rebuild and become better than the clubs that are way ahead of you and also have a significant recruiting advantage over. Don't expect to play in a Granny within the next decade.

 

[kranky al]

Other than geography, there's basically 3 advantages/disadvantages built into the system. MCG granny, academy rules, and f/s which is a disadvantage for GWS and GC.

For the Pies, I'd swap a home grand final for the academy rules every day of the week.

Meanwhile you keep fighting the one that isn't going to impact WCE for a bloody long time. With Tassie coming in, it's going to even harder to rebuild and become better than the clubs that are way ahead of you and also have a significant recruiting advantage over. Don't expect to play in a Granny within the next decade.

I understand and accept that expansion is going to hurt my club. It’s a sacrifice we have to make for the greater good of the game.

I never objected to cola, and I understand that northern academies again are a long look ahead that’s good for the game.

You cant just draft vic kids that wanna go home to mummy two to three years later as we have seen time and time again from gws and gc

 

[go_the_dockers]

and f/s which is a disadvantage for GWS and GC.

Fremantle have had one father son.

Collingwood has had at least 8 I think off with in 15 seconds.

Massive advantage for vic sides

 

[FreoFan85]

Other than geography, there's basically 3 advantages/disadvantages built into the system. MCG granny, academy rules, and f/s which is a disadvantage for GWS and GC.

For the Pies, I'd swap a home grand final for the academy rules every day of the week.

Meanwhile you keep fighting the one that isn't going to impact WCE for a bloody long time. With Tassie coming in, it's going to even harder to rebuild and become better than the clubs that are way ahead of you and also have a significant recruiting advantage over. Don't expect to play in a Granny within the next decade.

So look at it from a freo perspective. A team that has made finals 8 times in 30th years….

• MCG grand final advantage nope don’t get that
• Father Son advantage nope
• academy advantage nope

Your side literally had three of their 22 be high father son picks. In our history we have had Brett Peake.

 

[kranky al]

Fremantle have had one father son.

Collingwood has had at least 8 I think off with in 15 seconds.

Massive advantage for vic sides

How many games does a f/s have to play to get in a vic side 100 right?

For us it was 150


In an era where the best wa players were being poached by vic sides.

So of course they never played 150 games…..

 

[kranky al]

So look at it from a freo perspective. A team that has made finals 8 times in 30th years….

• MCG grand final advantage nope don’t get that
• Father Son advantage nope
• academy advantage nope

Your side literally had three of their 22 be high father son picks. In our history we have had Brett Peake.

So that’s where you peaked?

Sorry - I’ll see my self out…

 

[go_the_dockers]

How many games does a f/s have to play to get in a vic side 100 right?

For us it was 150


In an era where the best wa players were being poached by vic sides.

So of course they never played 150 games…..

150 but only before 1990.

So if they played 150 but finished after 1990 e.g. Morton or Gibbs you miss them as well.

 

[Underarm]

How many games does a f/s have to play to get in a vic side 100 right?

For us it was 150


In an era where the best wa players were being poached by vic sides.

So of course they never played 150 games…..

Way to he deliberately misleading.

150 games from any player playing in the WAFL. easily way more eligible fathers than 100 games for 1 club.

Father/son is just a game of luck. Some clubs seems to have a tonne of them, others have had barely any.

 

[sr36]

Fremantle have had one father son.

Collingwood has had at least 8 I think off with in 15 seconds.

Massive advantage for vic sides

It was historically a disadvantage. It's still a slight disadvantage for Freo mainly due to lag. It's not a disadvantage going forward for teams who've been in the league for long enough. They should have given Freo an equaliser. The AFL really botched Freo's first 2 decades.

But overall the AFL are moronic to be using drafting concessions as an equaliser. It'd be like trying to fight current inflation with a measure that won't fully kick in for 8+ years. So they won't realise how much they've over-cooked the concessions and will still be giving them long after it's necessary.

 

[sr36]

How many games does a f/s have to play to get in a vic side 100 right?

For us it was 150


In an era where the best wa players were being poached by vic sides.

So of course they never played 150 games…..

You had 4 teams to select f/s from rather than 1. Supposedly they crunched the numbers and it gave a similar number of potential fathers. Pies and Cats have been massive outliers amongst the Vic teams.