2nds WAFL / Beagles Watch 2023

[Evo47]

For an alignment with Perth to get up, who would have to agree? A majority of WAFL clubs or all clubs?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

For an alignment with Perth to get up, who would have to agree? A majority of WAFL clubs or all clubs?

I think mostly the problem is getting Perth to agree.

 

[Keys]

For an alignment with Perth to get up, who would have to agree? A majority of WAFL clubs or all clubs?

I think it would mainly be Perth, doubt the other clubs would object provided the rules were the same as whatever is in place for Peel/Freo

Perth have previously not wanted any part of it though

 

[THE A5]

We should just walk away and join the VFL (again).

I think us joining VFL/national reserves comp is bound to happen sometime. The WAFL/teams will be ruing not allow us better concessions

 

[OldBlueEagle]

The eagles have tried several versions of farming out players in the wafl.
1987-1998 local players stayed at their wafl clubs and interstate players were drafted by local clubs depending on ladder position.Eagles won two premierships.

In 1999 Claremont aligned with West Coast.veteran players were allowed to play for their local wafl clubs unless it was South Freo who were aligned with Dockers.Caremont ditched this idea as they failed to make the finals and lack of opportunity for local players.

2000 and 2001West Coast aligned with East Perth kind of.EastPperth only had interstate recruits play with them .in 2000 East Perth only had 7 plus Cox play.in 2001 it was 7 plus Turnball&Wilson.West Coast no premierships and East Perth two premierships.This alignment worked for East Perth as they only had to mange 2-7 eagles at any one time.Other clubs hated it so pulled the plug on this before the start of 2002.

2002-2012 all players reasigned to local clubs and Eagles win 2006 premiership
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2013-2019 West Coast and East Pperth full alignment,East perth did not win a premiership and got weaker every year as players left who could not get a game and having to play certain West Cast players in the league side that were not up to wafl level.Eagles win 2018 premiership.

2019-2023 Beagles stand alone team.This has not worked.It looked good in 2019 but as soon as covid hit in 2020 the Beagles folded .It has been hard to re-establish a Wafl side.Biggest problem is how many wafl standard players do the Eagles need.Reasons to play for the Beagles would be money.Maybe a fringe player who can't get a game at other wafl teams..A Wafl standard player would only play for a wafl team as they are playing to win.Also a chance to win a premiership.If you are a really good wafl player you will get a game in a wafl team.At the eagles list cloggers will be in front of you unless some injuries and otherwise you will be playing country or ammos.

Nice summary but recall Peel/Dockers reserves getting flogged for years. None of the wafl clubs will host eagles and peel has a few list clogged as well.
It's the best option considering the circumstances.

 

[DanWCE]

I'd be happy to forfeit finals if it allowed us greater concessions to be able to put a competitive side on the park, but players play to get into finals, win finals, win a flag. It would be crucial exposure for our young guys to play even a WAFL finals series, let alone making it attractive for top ups to join our list.

But at the moment we are so far away from even winning a game it seems like a pointless argument trying to fight to retain finals access whilst also getting more/better players to pad out a list with.

 

[Nuke Fremantle]

In all honesty I think if Perth can be convinced it’s the most logical solution. Maybe if they have a few more games kicking a solitary goal it might help encourage them

Perth will only allow it if their members vote in favour of it and given the average age of WAFL members is about 90 and older people are generally resistant to change I can't see it happening. Maybe if we could get President Barra to agree to the idea he might be able to sweet talk the old fossils.

 

[Ochre]

To be fair, based on the attitude of half the posters in this thread. I wouldn't be falling over myself rushing to align with us if I was Perth either.

 

[Ochre]

I think us joining VFL/national reserves comp is bound to happen sometime. The WAFL/teams will be ruing not allow us better concessions

The WAFL is stronger than the VFL or a reserves comp would be and requires a lot more travel. Trying to make a WAFL side work should be our preferred option.

 

[Ochre]

Nisbett added of the Eagles’ injury run: “You just can’t fathom how these things happen sometimes.”

Get absolutely ****ed Trev.

 

[Goroyals22]

Mornings with Mark Duffield

Mark Duffield shapes the Western Australian sporting agenda each day – with a focus on news, opinion, key guests, interviews, talkback and the topics that matter to the WA sporting landscape.

www.sen.com.au

This is the full discussion with the WAFC chairman and it goes into more detail re our WAFL side including the possibility of an alignment with Perth being maybe the best option

In all honesty I think if Perth can be convinced it’s the most logical solution. Maybe if they have a few more games kicking a solitary goal it might help encourage them

There is buckleys chance that Perth are going to agree to be a host club. After the debacle that has happened at East Perth, who are only just now getting competitive again, Perth actually put it in their constitution that there’s a major percentage of members who have to vote on it at an AGM for them to even look at it…

Barich even as the intellectual lightweight he is, is hardly going to gut Perth for the Eagles.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

Perth & Beagles need to fold into each other.
One team had a 169-point loss, the other only kicked 1.6 (12) for the game.

Honestly, what culture are Perth trying to protect? 50 years of irrelevance??

100% this.

The fogeys that run the club are so blind to the possibilities the future could hold that they’re keeping us in the desolate and fruitless past. Idiots.

There is nothing to like or be proud of at Perth. No discernible identity to cling on to. An alignment would forge a new and potentially exciting path.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Old man WAFL clinging on to the past. Scared that a strong Eagles reserves will destroy the integrity of the comp so they'd rather take us out at the recruitment table and let the farcical results do it instead.

Just ban us from finals and let us have normal WAFL recruiting rules you plebs. Not a single person wants the Eagles reserves to win the WAFL flag, we just want a reasonable development system that doesn't amount to an amateur select team trying to keep up with paid senior WAFL players.

How is it the WAFL clubs are at fault for an AFL club’s inability to manage their players, get them fit and keep them on the park playing? Why are other AFL clubs not getting these huge numbers of soft tissue injuries?
Maybe the Eagles should look inside first before trying to blame others for their plight.
And what recruiting do they want? There is no way any WAFL club will allow their own star players to be poached by money. And money is all the Eagles have to offer in the WAFL, no player wants to play development football, they want to play where they can win .
Bottom line is the Eagles medical department is the worst in the country and our fitness program is the worst in the AFL. That is why our WAFL side sucks, not because of the other WAFL clubs. Always an excuse at the Eagles.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Thoughts from Will Schofield at the start of his footy cast pod today regarding the WAFL team. Probably has the most authority to talk on the subject, being he's experienced just about every "version" of a West Coast AFL listee playing in the WAFL over the last 15 years.

Interesting comments on how Peel & Freo make things work, specifically mentioning Matt Rosa and his role in managing/juggling Peel & Freo AFL listed players quite successfully.

Also very interesting which version he says was best for his development. Alot of folk on here need to have a listen

 

[Goroyals22]

100% this.

The fogeys that run the club are so blind to the possibilities the future could hold that they’re keeping us in the desolate and fruitless past. Idiots.

There is nothing to like or be proud of at Perth. No discernible identity to cling on to. An alignment would forge a new and potentially exciting path.

There is no upside for Perth except money. They only have to talk to East Perth and no one would touch it…. Completely gutted the club and has caused some rifts that will never heal with players, staff and supporters….

Interesting Schofield thinks best thing for his development was the interstate farm out system.. would be plenty of blokes who would agree with it having seen it from inside a WAFL club.

 

[Quinz]

Get absolutely ****ed Trev.

Hit em straight Oaks

 

[Carbine Chaos]

There is no upside for Perth except money. They only have to talk to East Perth and no one would touch it…. Completely gutted the club and has caused some rifts that will never heal with players, staff and supporters….

Interesting Schofield thinks best thing for his development was the interstate farm out system.. would be plenty of blokes who would agree with it having seen it from inside a WAFL club.

It's a matter of perspective mate, what you describe is what I believe Perth needs.

But hey, if the traditional fans are happy with failure after failure, I'll still painfully endure the ride, as I have for years already.

 

[HoneyBadger35]

How is it the WAFL clubs are at fault for an AFL club’s inability to manage their players, get them fit and keep them on the park playing? Why are other AFL clubs not getting these huge numbers of soft tissue injuries?
Maybe the Eagles should look inside first before trying to blame others for their plight.
And what recruiting do they want? There is no way any WAFL club will allow their own star players to be poached by money. And money is all the Eagles have to offer in the WAFL, no player wants to play development football, they want to play where they can win .
Bottom line is the Eagles medical department is the worst in the country and our fitness program is the worst in the AFL. That is why our WAFL side sucks, not because of the other WAFL clubs. Always an excuse at the Eagles.

To clarify nobody is suggesting it’s West Perth’s fault that the Eagles have an injury crisis.

I’m saying it’s the WAFL’s fears of/resistance to West Coast going well that means that Eagles WAFL side can’t be semi competent even if we have a normal level of injuries, let alone a ridiculous ****ed run, no matter how self imposed.

A WAAFL/PFL top ups team isn’t going to compete in the WAFL seniors competition. Pretending that taking a PFL side and teaming them up with a handful of drafted 20 year olds will make them viable at a senior men’s state league level is folly, and god forbid anybody get hurt because then it’s back to a best of the PFL vs WAFL scenario.

If West Perth had eight guys missing from their list, they’d still be fairly competitive on a week to week basis. They’d slide a bit, sure, but it wouldn’t be 200 point free hits for the opposition. Because the other players on the team are at that level, not at a level where they were passed over by 9 other clubs and deemed not good enough, but now find themselves trying to stem the tide against a paid and ready to roll senior state league side.

The VFL clubs are allowed to have their AFL listed players alongside a competent state level list that’s appropriate for the league they’re in. The Eagles are restricted to guys who aren’t in the WAFL (for a reason) and whichever fringe players aren’t getting a game (at full health).

We’ve got injuries. Separately, the WAFL squad building tools afforded to us are disgraceful. Combining the two you get 200 point walk overs.

The WAFL worrying that an Eagles reserves side will somehow impact the legitimacy of the competition have done it to themselves. Not content with being irrelevant to the vast majority of the footy public, the WAFL has now given teams an in built bye week and percentage chasing opportunity, a very fun and balanced things that potential new fans will be racing to see I’m sure.

 

[THE A5]

The WAFL is stronger than the VFL or a reserves comp would be and requires a lot more travel. Trying to make a WAFL side work should be our preferred option.

I think thats what the club is doing desperately these days. That said if there isn’t a resolve after years, we might see a reserves or club joining the VFL

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Talk about postponing our next game due to a lack of players. Only took three rounds this year.

 

[Goroyals22]

It's a matter of perspective mate, what you describe is what I believe Perth needs.

But hey, if the traditional fans are happy with failure after failure, I'll still painfully endure the ride, as I have for years already.

Go down the alignment path and those fans Perth still has won’t be there….. and they won’t be attracting any new fans as seen from the royals experience …

 

[HoneyBadger35]

Go down the alignment path and those fans Perth still has won’t be there….. and they won’t be attracting any new fans as seen from the royals experience …

The WAFL are currently in the midst of their biggest public ad campaign I can recall in years. The ‘WAFL - Win Win’ bus ads and billboards doing the rounds, plus some newspaper and online stuff.

The campaign is centred around how it’s a win win when you go to the WAFL. For example, you can go to the footy then still have time to go out in Leedy after, or how there’s hot chips and heaps of space to sit at WAFL games.

The footy isn’t even the selling point in their own ads. The WAFL are not serious about attracting new fans.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

To clarify nobody is suggesting it’s West Perth’s fault that the Eagles have an injury crisis.

I’m saying it’s the WAFL’s fears of/resistance to West Coast going well that means that Eagles WAFL side can’t be semi competent even if we have a normal level of injuries, let alone a ridiculous ****ed run, no matter how self imposed.

A WAAFL/PFL top ups team isn’t going to compete in the WAFL seniors competition. Pretending that taking a PFL side and teaming them up with a handful of drafted 20 year olds will make them viable at a senior men’s state league level is folly, and god forbid anybody get hurt because then it’s back to a best of the PFL vs WAFL scenario.

If West Perth had eight guys missing from their list, they’d still be fairly competitive on a week to week basis. They’d slide a bit, sure, but it wouldn’t be 200 point free hits for the opposition. Because the other players on the team are at that level, not at a level where they were passed over by 9 other clubs and deemed not good enough, but now find themselves trying to stem the tide against a paid and ready to roll senior state league side.

The VFL clubs are allowed to have their AFL listed players alongside a competent state level list that’s appropriate for the league they’re in. The Eagles are restricted to guys who aren’t in the WAFL (for a reason) and whichever fringe players aren’t getting a game (at full health).

We’ve got injuries. Separately, the WAFL squad building tools afforded to us are disgraceful. Combining the two you get 200 point walk overs.

The WAFL worrying that an Eagles reserves side will somehow impact the legitimacy of the competition have done it to themselves. Not content with being irrelevant to the vast majority of the footy public, the WAFL has now given teams an in built bye week and percentage chasing opportunity, a very fun and balanced things that potential new fans will be racing to see I’m sure.

The Eagles have other options that develop their players that they refuse to look at. Options that once worked fine. But no they want to insist on every other club work around what they want. Like I said before I don’t think recruitment changes will actually work anyway, why the hell will want to play for a side that has no interest in winning.
Let them recruit who they want but they cannot under any circumstances pay their players per gave more than any WAFL club does. And that’s where it falls over.

 

[wirra44]

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Talk about postponing our next game due to a lack of players. Only took three rounds this year.

Ah well good, **** the wafl, they’ve created this

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Ah well good, * the wafl, they’ve created this

We’ve got 44 AFL listed players and another 30 or so top up listed players. I don’t think they would have foreseen us not being able to cobble together a seconds team three weeks in.