2nds WAFL Watch 2014 - Peel Thunder

[UFO Tatsu]

Very disappointed that Peel,whilst competitive, are no closer to winning a game. I certainly detect that The WAFL teams are getting up for the games against Peel (and fair enough). Every time the game goes up a notch, the Peel boys fall behind. Why?, I think it is because at the moment, it is a team of individuals trying to impress the Freo coaches and some poor Peel players trying to make up the difference.

It is only the first year but perhaps they need to reconsider some things to build chemistry. It may be worth allowing the WAFL Freo boys to train with Peel once a week, even a very light short session on the Friday. We need them to start to build a stronger relationship with this club, to start to feel something for the jumper. I hope the Freo boys hang around the club after their home matches.

The loser mentality we have at the moment really irks me and is detrimental to the development of the Freo players. The team is unbalanced and not working together. Time to review and implement some positive changes.

IMO they have to play our players coming back from injury who can probably (or instructed by freo) to play out less than a full game, which leaves them short of run

 

[clogged]

I'd hardly call Croz creative. I love the kid, but when have you ever seen him crumb or create something out of nothing? He's more like Mellington and a mobile HFF than a true fwd pocket. With Balla coming back, I'd be more inclined to see Tabs come back in. Maybe not at the expense of Croz (perhaps it's time for deBoer or Mayne to have a rest - never thought I'd say that). Tabs is pretty Raw, but the only way to ripen him up is to get him to eat, lift and play in the firsts for an extended period. It's likely we'd be playing Gumby most weeks (if not all) if he was fit, so at least until Keplar is ready then I'd say it's probably a logical choice to sit Tabs in the forward line.

My point is that you're not going to going to fix up the scoring issue by replacing someone who possibly could create as many scoring opportunities as Taberner. Remove those from the side who aren't creating scoring opportunities.

Sydney had absolutely no problem absorbing inside 50s in the half Taberner played with Ballantyne in the side.

 

[slicedndiced]

IMO they have to play our players coming back from injury who can probably (or instructed by freo) to play out less than a full game, which leaves them short of run

Posted this a few weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

Bit of a rumour going around that Cam Shepherd won't see the middle of the season due to frustration from FFC interference in team selection and positioning.

Oh well...

 

[Dead Weight]

My point is that you're not going to going to fix up the scoring issue by replacing someone who possibly could create as many scoring opportunities as Taberner. Remove those from the side who aren't creating scoring opportunities.

Sydney had absolutely no problem absorbing inside 50s in the half Taberner played with Ballantyne in the side.

That was more a result of poor delivery, not the guys inside F50. Crozier isn't much further along than Tabs anyway. Like I said earlier, why not have them both in the side and actually remove someone who is either batting injuries/niggles (i.e Mayne) or is down on form (deBoer and possibly Mayne)?

 

[samFFC]

Monstered by whom, you ask ? Glass, Schofield and MacKenzie.

The best defender will go to Pav.

And the next biggest will go to resting ruckman. So Tabs would get the worst/least gorilla out of them.

Don't think any of those would truly monster Tabs, and regardless he will be able to pull one of those away from double teaming Pav.

It's a balance issue more than anything. The forward line looked deadly against the Dons, and Tabs helped that considerably IMO.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

Posted this a few weeks ago. Nothing has changed.

Did you hear his address to the players ?
He is on hiding to nothing. He has to do things in a certain way whether he believes in or not.
However, having said that, he is also handling AFL players who are being coached by an elite level coach and Cam appears to be self conscious of his lack of expertise.
It is a very tenuous situation. IMO it needs a Fremantle assistant coach to be handling them.

 

[clogged]

That was more a result of poor delivery, not the guys inside F50. Crozier isn't much further along than Tabs anyway. Like I said earlier, why not have them both in the side and actually remove someone who is either batting injuries/niggles (i.e Mayne) or is down on form (deBoer and possibly Mayne)?

Well there was one point against Sydney where De Boer tried to short pass from the pocket to Ballantyne and he basically set him up to be beaten in the marking contest, which led to Sydney running the ball down the other end and kicking a goal.

Similarly against North Melbourne Crozier gathered the ball on half forward and delivered the ball inside 50 to Suban who fumbled the mark and led to another goal on the rebound.

Both potential twelve point turnarounds in close games, basically down to errors in skill execution by forwards.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

The best defender will go to Pav.

And the next biggest will go to resting ruckman. So Tabs would get the worst/least gorilla out of them.

Don't think any of those would truly monster Tabs, and regardless he will be able to pull one of those away from double teaming Pav.

It's a balance issue more than anything. The forward line looked deadly against the Dons, and Tabs helped that considerably IMO.

So that means Glass would take Taberner because Glass has never played on Pav. ( not good enough ). He would however, flog Tabs.
Are you suggesting we go tall in the forward line with Pav, Taberner and Sandi / Clarke ?
It would be land of the giants because Eagles would send Coxy to stand alongside Sandi. that would be a huge weakness for us because Sandi does not have the run to match Coxy, when the ball comes to ground.

 

[slicedndiced]

Did you hear his address to the players ?
He is on hiding to nothing. He has to do things in a certain way whether he believes in or not.
However, having said that, he is also handling AFL players who are being coached by an elite level coach and Cam appears to be self conscious of his lack of expertise.
It is a very tenuous situation. IMO it needs a Fremantle assistant coach to be handling them.

I think that is the major problem with only having an alignment instead of a true affiliation.

Melbourne clubs with their VFL affiliates can pick and choose who coaches their second team, so you have the quality of ex-AFL coaches in Knights, Ayres etc getting the jobs. And regardless of their lack of success at AFL level, (for a variety of reasons), they are head and shoulders above the Cam Shepherds of this world.

It is far from ideal for both WA teams, but to do otherwise at this stage would probably completely screw the WAFL.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

I think that is the major problem with only having an alignment instead of a true affiliation.

Melbourne clubs with their VFL affiliates can pick and choose who coaches their second team, so you have the quality of ex-AFL coaches in Knights, Ayres etc getting the jobs. And regardless of their lack of success at AFL level, (for a variety of reasons), they are head and shoulders above the Cam Shepherds of this world.

It is far from ideal for both WA teams, but to do otherwise at this stage would probably completely screw the WAFL.

You are completely right of course. I do feel sorry for Cam Shepherd though; It is not his fault.

 

[slicedndiced]

You are completely right of course. I do feel sorry for Cam Shepherd though; It is not his fault.

I don't think that he is much of a coach, despite the circumstances, to be honest.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

I don't think that he is much of a coach, despite the circumstances, to be honest.

I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Consider Peel's structure yesterday that he must work with.
Griffin, Hannath, Moller, Bradley, Taberner; that's nuts.

 

[PintofPale]

So that means Glass would take Taberner because Glass has never played on Pav. ( not good enough ). He would however, flog Tabs.
Are you suggesting we go tall in the forward line with Pav, Taberner and Sandi / Clarke ?
It would be land of the giants because Eagles would send Coxy to stand alongside Sandi. that would be a huge weakness for us because Sandi does not have the run to match Coxy, when the ball comes to ground.

That's exactly the setup we need. I doubt they'd let Cox wither in a back pocket, and if they do, a massive win for us.
Taberner can draw Glass or McGovern or Schofield from the hotspot; if his defender doesn't go with him, then he's the target; otherwise Pav is.
Clarke could help a bit too, by not staying next to Pav when he's forward ...

 

[Fred Ziffel]

That's exactly the setup we need. I doubt they'd let Cox wither in a back pocket, and if they do, a massive win for us.
Taberner can draw Glass or McGovern or Schofield from the hotspot; if his defender doesn't go with him, then he's the target; otherwise Pav is.
Clarke could help a bit too, by not staying next to Pav when he's forward ...

Pretty sure Sandilands took his first mark of the game at 16th minute mark of the last qtr against North.
Right now we do not have another tall marking option after Pav and judging by Friday night's game, chopping of arms and scragging in marking contests is now allowed.

 

[PintofPale]

Pretty sure Sandilands took his first mark of the game at 16th minute mark of the last qtr against North.
Right now we do not have another tall marking option after Pav and judging by Friday night's game, chopping of arms and scragging in marking contests is now allowed.

That's true, but he can take marks, and does take a defender. Taking pressure off Pav is my point - Clarke should be running a tall defender up and back the ground all day.
And of course, on Friday the ball would hit the deck and we had no one. Ross calls 'like for like' but Crozier is a lead-up mid sized fwd, not a crumber.

 

[estibador]

I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Consider Peel's structure yesterday that he must work with.
Griffin, Hannath, Moller, Bradley, Taberner; that's nuts.

Maybe we should see if Adam Simpson is interested in a promotion to come coach Peel? He has no problems playing 15 ruckmen in a team.

 

[Fred Ziffel]

That's true, but he can take marks, and does take a defender. Taking pressure off Pav is my point - Clarke should be running a tall defender up and back the ground all day.
And of course, on Friday the ball would hit the deck and we had no one. Ross calls 'like for like' but Crozier is a lead-up mid sized fwd, not a crumber.

You are missing my point. Sandi is not holding marks . Arm chopping and scragging of Sandi has always been allowed, to even up the contest and I see no reason they will change it next week. On Friday night Sandi took his first mark of the game deep in the last qtr; That is pathetic.
If he goes forward the spoiling tactics will continue and the ball will then be run out of our forward line with monotonous ease.
It will make Friday nights game look like an epic by comparison. Our forward structure is our biggest weakness and we have few alternatives but going 3 x talls structure will destroy us in record time. My opinion of course.

 

[freoextra]

You are missing my point. Sandi is not holding marks . Arm chopping and scragging of Sandi has always been allowed, to even up the contest and I see no reason they will change it next week. On Friday night Sandi took his first mark of the game deep in the last qtr; That is pathetic.
If he goes forward the spoiling tactics will continue and the ball will then be run out of our forward line with monotonous ease.
It will make Friday nights game look like an epic by comparison. Our forward structure is our biggest weakness and we have few alternatives but going 3 x talls structure will destroy us in record time. My opinion of course.

Sandi's marking is nothing short of pathetic at the moment. In past years at his best he was a very reliable target kicking out of defence - where has that gone?

Still hopeful he can impact games later in the year, it really seems to take him a number of games to get that confidence back in his marking.

Griff took a few marks in the WAFL and may provide us with a strong marking option soon.

 

[slicedndiced]

Sandi's marking is nothing short of pathetic at the moment. In past years at his best he was a very reliable target kicking out of defence - where has that gone?

Still hopeful he can impact games later in the year, it really seems to take him a number of games to get that confidence back in his marking.

Griff took a few marks in the WAFL and may provide us with a strong marking option soon.

Just a guess, but I would think that the majority of Sandi's marks in the past have been on the HBF after kick-ins from behinds.

He basically knew where the ball would be before it was kicked and could set himself for the mark.

Now, with our more random system, he is forced to be a pivotal focal point around the ground and his contested marking skills are not competent for that set up.

In other words, I think that his around the ground contested marking has been overrated in the past, apart from when he got a clear mis-match in the forward 50 and the afore-mentioned kick in receives.

 

[freoextra]

Just a guess, but I would think that the majority of Sandi's marks in the past have been on the HBF after kick-ins from behinds.

He basically knew where the ball would be before it was kicked and could set himself for the mark.

Now, with our more random system, he is forced to be a pivotal focal point around the ground and his contested marking skills are not competent for that set up.

In other words, I think that his around the ground contested marking has been overrated in the past, apart from when he got a clear mis-match in the forward 50 and the afore-mentioned kick in receives.

Yep that might be the case. It was the kick out from a behind that I was talking about. From memory in the last game, our kick outs were more of the 20 (back pocket) or 30m kicks to a player by himself and then run the ball out. I guess we did this ok, but it is very different to the kick it to Sandi days when he clunked a few and would have his marking confidence up.

It is very old Freo to have the tallest player in the league not taking any marks. But don't get me wrong, he is one of the first picked just wondering like others where this skill has gone in Sandis game.

 

[pokerspiv]

It's not like he's dropping many marks either. He's just not getting to as many contests.

 

[blue shark]

That's exactly the setup we need. I doubt they'd let Cox wither in a back pocket, and if they do, a massive win for us.
Taberner can draw Glass or McGovern or Schofield from the hotspot; if his defender doesn't go with him, then he's the target; otherwise Pav is.
Clarke could help a bit too, by not staying next to Pav when he's forward ...

We need our rucks to play as ruckman, and when attacking moving the ball forward to park on the 50m line, and give our forwards space to
lead. But this only works if you get the ball down there quickly, and players lower their vision and can kick properly. I don't think our ruckman
can play forward to often, rather they rotated of the bench.

 

[yakamoto]

Having watched Peel play a few games this season I must say that they look real rabble. Not surprising in view of the fact that they haven't won a game in any grade this season. Thank god Sony had a proper club to go back to when he was exiled by Ross. I shudder to think what could have happened had we been aligned to Peel a couple of years ago. Sorry to say I can't see any benefit to us in this arrangement apart from our hierarchy only having to view one WAFL match per weekend.

 

[mightymouse75]

They could have easily aligned players to South/East/Peel/Claremont allowing West coast to align to the rest.
Would have kept some interest in all the wafl clubs from afl supporters, & yes, Peel is shite.

 

[Freo Dr]

Cam Shepard comments are on the money to my mind. I am not sure his is a very good coach but he has little chance when he is forced to play so many talls when some should be in the reserves. The situation will actually only get worse when you consider that Apeness, Pearce and Tanner Smith didn't play due to injury and as we go into winter the games will be played in the wet more often. Team lacks balance and cohesion and WAFL teams are definitely lifting the intensity and agro when playing them so we are getting frustrated players now.