Current WAR CRIMES Israel Hamas Conflict Pt 2 - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

The ICC has also issued warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant and for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.

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[Kurve]

Mass rape allegations were debunked.
There was evidence of sexual violence as quoted by the UN however absolutely no evidence or victim accounts of widespread rape being used as a weapon of war as Israel and the Times reported early in the conflict.
For whatever reason Israel continues to exaggerate the already real horrific atrocities of that day.

You're wrong.

Crimes against humanity as Deif has been charged with, include sexual violence, torture and rape and were systematic.

The UN:

“part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

 

[PAFC66]

You're wrong.

Provide me a source then.

No rape allegations filed from 7 October, reveals Israeli prosecutor

Israeli authorities have admitted that no allegations of rape or sexual assault have been filed from the 7 October cross-border infiltration by Palestinian resistance factions, despite extensive investigations. Moran Gaz,...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

How 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel-Hamas war

The United Nations and other organizations have presented credible evidence that Hamas militants committed sexual assault during their Oct. 7 attack in southern Israel. But some accounts from that day proved untrue.

www.pbs.org

 

[Kurve]

Provide me a source then.

No rape allegations filed from 7 October, reveals Israeli prosecutor

Israeli authorities have admitted that no allegations of rape or sexual assault have been filed from the 7 October cross-border infiltration by Palestinian resistance factions, despite extensive investigations. Moran Gaz,...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

If some rape prosecutions are not pursued because the victims are dead, isn't the flex you seem to think it is.

It's the worst argument I think I've seen.

 

[Kurve]

Provide me a source then.

No rape allegations filed from 7 October, reveals Israeli prosecutor

Israeli authorities have admitted that no allegations of rape or sexual assault have been filed from the 7 October cross-border infiltration by Palestinian resistance factions, despite extensive investigations. Moran Gaz,...

www.middleeastmonitor.com

How 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel-Hamas war

The United Nations and other organizations have presented credible evidence that Hamas militants committed sexual assault during their Oct. 7 attack in southern Israel. But some accounts from that day proved untrue.

www.pbs.org

In the sticky at the top of the page.

Crimes against humanity as Deif has been charged with, include sexual violence, torture and rape and were systematic.

The UN:

“part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

 

[PAFC66]

If some rape prosecutions are not pursued because the victims are dead, isn't the flex you seem to think it is.

Nobody is flexing here ?
I'm just showing you that some of those claims and the way they were presented was not true.
The original New York times article was one of them whereby the journalist of it (an ex IDF soldier) has now been moved on

Journalism Professors: NYT Risks Credibility With Inaction on Oct. 7 Article

Reports have found that the claims in the paper’s “Screams Without Words” article are questionable, if not fabricated.

truthout.org

 

[Kurve]

Nobody is flexing here ?
I'm just showing you that some of those claims and the way they were presented was not true.
The original New York times article was one of them whereby the journalist of it (an ex IDF soldier) has now been moved on

Journalism Professors: NYT Risks Credibility With Inaction on Oct. 7 Article

Reports have found that the claims in the paper’s “Screams Without Words” article are questionable, if not fabricated.

truthout.org

I'm not relying on that article as being 100% accurate or the whole story.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

In the sticky at the top of the page.

Crimes against humanity as Deif has been charged with, include sexual violence, torture and rape and were systematic.

The UN:

“part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

I thought these were allegations? So Deif is automatically guilty in perpetuity, despite not actually being tried against these charges?

 

[Kurve]

I thought these were allegations? So Deif is automatically guilty in perpetuity, despite not actually being tried against these charges?

If you think Israel is guilty of murder, persecution and starvation, yes.

 

[Kurve]

There's no doubt Hamas and Islamic groups who jumped the borders that day committed rape , sexual assault but to suggest it was a sophisticated goal with widespread rape occuring everywhere is not true which the times article last year made note of.

Nobody said it was occurring everywhere.

Meanwhile in Israel we are saying this is okay is it?

Is this a troll?

Some even filmed on video gang r*ped to death by guards and the government are debating whether this should be legitimate or not..
These guards are considered heros by large sections of the Israeli society and some are even hosts on TV game shows now.

There are no specific incidents of any prisoner being 'r*ped to death'.

If you're referring to a recent rape of a prisoner that was filmed, the offenders were arrested regardless of the discussions around it.

There should be accountability.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

The cruelty is unimaginable

WORLD WAITS FOR SIGN CHILDREN ARE ALIVE

WORLD WAITS FOR SIGN CHILDREN ARE ALIVE

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

 

[PAFC66]

The cruelty is unimaginable

WORLD WAITS FOR SIGN CHILDREN ARE ALIVE

WORLD WAITS FOR SIGN CHILDREN ARE ALIVE

todayspaper.theaustralian.com.au

Yeah it is , so is the cruelty of collective punishment in refusing children to go back to their destroyed homes.

 

[Kurve]

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www.timesofisrael.com

Whilst we are on the topic of sexual violence,
I'll just post this here before the mods delete it. The most moral state in the world.

We've had this discussion when it occurred and nobody's first reaction was to deny it happened or to wade in to defend it.

 

[PAFC66]

We've had this discussion when it occurred and nobody's first reaction was to deny it happened or to wade in to defend it.

Nobody is defending rape other then the Likud party.
I don't know why you're finding this hard to grasp. I didn't deny rape occured on October 7. I simply mentioned that the whole exaggeration of "weaponisation of sexual violence" and the claims written within that article in the New York times that kicked this off were debunked hence why that journalist was fired when this because more clear.

 

[stax on the mull]

Here's a comment about that article detailing IDF war crimes I posted less than 20 minutes ago that was deleted due to copyright violations.

I suggest if anyone wants to read it, look through the reply comments in the links they'll find it.

 

[Kurve]

Nobody is defending rape other then the Likud party.
I don't know why you're finding this hard to grasp. I didn't deny rape occured on October 7. I simply mentioned that the whole exaggeration of "weaponisation of sexual violence" and the claims written within that article in the New York times that kicked this off were debunked hence why that journalist was fired when this because more clear.

The NYT article didn't kick this off, witness testimony and dead bodies did. The NYT still stands behind the article, if portions of it came under fire for various reasons or appears to be debunked.

One of the authors was fired on her social media activity where she 'liked' posts encouraging violence on Gazans which of course gave an impression of bias.

I checked.

None of that matters, unless you think the UN is using the NYT as evidence which of course would be ridiculous.

 

[Zidane98]

If some rape prosecutions are not pursued because the victims are dead, isn't the flex you seem to think it is.

It's the worst argument I think I've seen.

That's a new low for this thread.

 

[PAFC66]

The NYT article didn't kick this off, witness testimony and dead bodies did. The NYT still stands behind the article, if portions of it came under fire for various reasons or appears to be debunked.

One of the authors was fired on her social media activity where she 'liked' posts encouraging violence on Gazans which of course gave an impression of bias.

I checked.

None of that matters, unless you think the UN is using the NYT as evidence which of course would be ridiculous.

There was NO "widespread" sexual violence no matter how many times you want to repeat isreali propaganda talking points it's rubbish

 

[faible]

There was NO "widespread" sexual violence no matter how many times you want to repeat isreali propaganda talking points it's rubbish

I wouldn't think we can say that categorically, certainly I believe that there was sexual violence, that multiple women were impacted by sexual violence, and the limited UN investigation thus far has found victims from multiple locations.

I'd welcome an independent UN team getting full access to both Israeli and Palestinian victims and witnesses to investigate, as there's claims both by and against both sides and a heap of mostly civilian victims caught in the middle.

 

[Kurve]

There was NO "widespread" sexual violence no matter how many times you want to repeat isreali propaganda talking points it's rubbish

You were the one who raised it.

There was.

 

[Kurve]

I wouldn't think we can say that categorically, certainly I believe that there was sexual violence, that multiple women were impacted by sexual violence, and the limited UN investigation thus far has found victims from multiple locations.

I'd welcome an independent UN team getting full access to both Israeli and Palestinian victims and witnesses to investigate, as there's claims both by and against both sides and a heap of mostly civilian victims caught in the middle.

It's as if allegations of torture, cutting heads off, murder and abducting men, women and children isn't as offensive as allegations of rape and sexual violence for some reason. It seems to be perversely counterintuitive for groups I've assumed to be progressives.

The UNs ICC has had access to complainants and witnesses, which is suppressed.

 

[DapperDon]

What is considered 'widespread'?

I'd consider 10 counts of sexual violence to be widespread over the matter of a few hours, and I think it's safe to assume there would have been more than 10 counts. There is no excusing what Hamas and their hang ons did that day, and that certainly includes the acts of sexual violence.

Did Israel make it seem bigger than it needed for extra outrage, I think so (why they thought they needed extra outrage I don't know) but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

 

[stax on the mull]

This is a pretty good account of what the allegations are how many of them can be proven (not many), but there's also clear examples cited where Israel propaganda was mainstreamed and accepted as truth in the way the 40 beheaded babies story was.

Rather than question whether it's "progressives" that are at fault, maybe question why there were lies.

Witnesses, confessions, naked dead bodies. All the evidence of Hamas rape on Oct. 7

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www.haaretz.com

I should add that the author of this article was also one of the proponents of the propaganda.

 

[Kurve]

This is a pretty good account of what the allegations are how many of them can be proven (not many), but there's also clear examples cited where Israel propaganda was mainstreamed and accepted as truth in the way the 40 beheaded babies story was.

Rather than question whether it's "progressives" that are at fault, maybe question why there were lies.

Witnesses, confessions, naked dead bodies. All the evidence of Hamas rape on Oct. 7

***

www.haaretz.com

Sorry, but that article is dated April last year. Haaretz is as clueless as you and I are as to exactly what evidence the International Criminal Court has.

The 40 beheaded babies was a ridiculous claim, most of us knew it was but some seem to have latched on to that as if it's proof everything else is lies and exagerration as well and can be dismissed.

 

[stax on the mull]

Sorry, but that article is dated April last year. Haaretz is as clueless as you and I are as to exactly what evidence the International Criminal Court has.

The 40 beheaded babies was a ridiculous claim, most of us knew it was but some seem to have latched on to that as if it's proof everything else is lies and exagerration as well and can be dismissed.

This is one of the examples cited as false reporting.

"Otmazgin is the person responsible today for speaking on behalf of the organization about members' testimony and reports of evidence of sex crimes in the Hamas attack. He undertook the task after cases were discovered in which ZAKA personnel (as well as rescue forces and IDF officers) spread false rumors. Haaretz reported in December that Yossi Landau, from ZAKA, disseminated two horror stories that never happened – one about 20 bound and burned bodies of children that were supposedly found on a kibbutz, and the other about the body of a pregnant woman he found whose belly had been slit open."

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

None of these people know what they're talking about. They live in headlines, it's all curated through the same propaganda channels. Same talking points, same headlines to support the talking points. If you talk to anti-Israeli people long enough, they all come up with the same tired disproven talking points presented in the same misleading way. This isn't the first time I have seen that Likud party meeting 2019 quote used to support the exact same talking point. I bet he has no idea where the source of that quote comes from lol.

Are you denying Israel had any involvement or interest in Hamas being in power in Gaza?

You're doing this thing again where you vaguely try and discredit something, without actually saying anything.

Tell us why you don't believe that quote is accurate. Or are you just claiming that because a poster may not have read the original article, it's invalid?