Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas Conflict

[faible]

Yes it is, and the latest ceasefire resolution which was the first one passed by the UNSC did exactly that by offering a phased end to the war, hostages returned and a initial cease fire with commitments to a longer term ceasefire.


I see no issue with not taking that deal right now. It stops pain and suffering on both sides. Then a future statehood solution can be worked on with eventually a permanent 2 state solution to be decided on for the 3rd time since 1948. I'd expect severe punishment and consequences for either side if they do not accept the eventual permanent two state solution with full independence for both sides.

You assume Israel have actually agreed. The US said Israel have agreed, AFAIK Israel haven't confirmed that.

There's little point in the UN agreeing upon a ceasefire agreement if the two parties to that ceasefire agreement haven't actually agreed on the ceasefire part for a start. Hamas said they want guarantees that it'll be a proper long-term ceasefire (e.g not just a pause), Netanyahu has said they'll pause but not stop until Hamas is gone.

A ceasefire would be good, that means both parties acting in good faith to negotiate a ceasefire and agreeing to it. Right now it doesn't sound to me like either is acting in good faith.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Yes it is, and the latest ceasefire resolution which was the first one passed by the UNSC did exactly that by offering a phased end to the war, hostages returned and a initial cease fire with commitments to a longer term ceasefire.


I see no issue with not taking that deal right now. It stops pain and suffering on both sides. Then a future statehood solution can be worked on with eventually a permanent 2 state solution to be decided on for the 3rd time since 1948. I'd expect severe punishment and consequences for either side if they do not accept the eventual permanent two state solution with full independence for both sides.

Israel have never offered and will never agree to a viable Palestinian state.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

You assume Israel have actually agreed. The US said Israel have agreed, AFAIK Israel haven't confirmed that.

There's little point in the UN agreeing upon a ceasefire agreement if the two parties to that ceasefire agreement haven't actually agreed on the ceasefire part for a start. Hamas said they want guarantees that it'll be a proper long-term ceasefire (e.g not just a pause), Netanyahu has said they'll pause but not stop until Hamas is gone.

A ceasefire would be good, that means both parties acting in good faith to negotiate a ceasefire and agreeing to it. Right now it doesn't sound to me like either is acting in good faith.

Don’t forget the hostages. Netanyahu is under pressure to get them back whatever it takes. If all of the hostages, alive and dead, are returned, Israel might - might - agree to an extended ceasefire. Except then they are back to October 6.

 

[faible]

Don’t forget the hostages. Netanyahu is under pressure to get them back whatever it takes. If all of the hostages, alive and dead, are returned, Israel might - might - agree to an extended ceasefire. Except then they are back to October 6.

Netanyahu is also likely gone the minute the war ends, and reportedly has government ministers threatening to quit on his coalition if he signs a ceasefire.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Don’t forget the hostages. Netanyahu is under pressure to get them back whatever it takes. If all of the hostages, alive and dead, are returned, Israel might - might - agree to an extended ceasefire. Except then they are back to October 6.

Oh, poor Netanyahu. Please let him know we are thinking of him.

 

[Zidane98]

Israel have never offered and will never agree to a viable Palestinian state.

Israel already has on two separate occasions.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Israel already has on two separate occasions.

Do tell.

 

[Jazny]

Do tell.

 

[DapperDon]

Why post this and not the two seperate occasions where Israel agreed to a viable Palestinian State?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Why post this and not the two seperate occasions where Israel agreed to a viable Palestinian State?

They know I can and will prove them wrong. It's the commonly accepted narrative that people not really paying attention believe, but it's actually complete bullshit.

 

[Jazny]

They know I can and will prove them wrong. It's the commonly accepted narrative that people not really paying attention believe, but it's actually complete bullshit.

Let's hear your historical revisionism then.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Let's hear your historical revisionism then.

When were Palestinians offered a viable state?

 

[Jazny]

When were Palestinians offered a viable state?

Start at the beginning. What are your arguments against the viability of the state proposed in the original partition plan?

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Start at the beginning. What are your arguments against the viability of the state proposed in the original partition plan?

That wasn't an Israeli offer. If you're referring to the 1937 Peel Commission - Zionists didn't agree to that either. If you're referring to 1947 UN Plan, Zionists only agreed publicly as a stepping stone while always planning for the military conquest of the rest of Palestine. Again not an Israeli offer.

 

[Jazny]

That wasn't an Israeli offer. If you're referring to the 1937 Peel Commission - Zionists didn't agree to that either.

Okay gotcha, your contention isn't that Palestinians were never offered a viable state, but from Israel specifically and therefore 1947 doesn't count. Is that right? Would the Arab state proposed in 1947 have been viable?

Let's keep running through them then.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Okay gotcha, your contention isn't that Palestinians were never offered a viable state, but from Israel specifically and therefore 1947 doesn't count. Is that right? Would the Arab state proposed in 1947 have been viable?

Let's keep running through them then.

Go back and read the conversation you inserted yourself into if you are confused.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Okay gotcha, your contention isn't that Palestinians were never offered a viable state, but from Israel specifically and therefore 1947 doesn't count. Is that right? Would the Arab state proposed in 1947 have been viable?

Let's keep running through them then.

Oh, shifting the goalposts. Very clever Jasny.

Totally not predictable either.

 

[Jazny]

Go back and read the conversation you inserted yourself into if you are confused.

Not confused so far. Just asking you to support your statement.

 

[Jazny]

Oh, shifting the goalposts. Very clever Jasny.

Totally not predictable either.

I dont think you know what that term means, GP.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I dont think you know what that term means, GP.

limpid, transparent, ostensible... among other things.

Jasny meaning in English

dictzone.com

 

[Jazny]

limpid, transparent, ostensible... among other things.

Jasny meaning in English

dictzone.com

omg you totally shifted the goal posts on me

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

We've all seen the videos, we know this is how the IDF operate in Gaza - it's still shocking to see it confirmed.

Open season on civilians.

‘I’m bored, so I shoot’: The Israeli army’s approval of free-for-all violence in Gaza

Israeli soldiers describe the near-total absence of firing regulations in the Gaza war, with troops shooting as they please.

www.972mag.com

 

[Lebbo73]

The `Hannibal Directive’ means to kill your own

 

[jason_recliner]

Dozens of Gazans killed in Israeli assault that Hamas warns may threaten truce talks​

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At least 29 were killed, most of them women and children, Palestinian medical officials said.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-10/gazans-killed-in-israel-assault-hamas-truce-talks/104078458

 

[faible]

Dozens of Gazans killed in Israeli assault that Hamas warns may threaten truce talks​

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At least 29 were killed, most of them women and children, Palestinian medical officials said.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-07-10/gazans-killed-in-israel-assault-hamas-truce-talks/104078458

Were Hamas in the tents outside the school do we think?

Palestinian officials say an Israeli air strike that hit tents of displaced families outside a school in southern Gaza killed at least 29, while the Israeli military says it is looking into the report.