Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas Conflict

[jason_recliner]

Hamas was created by the CIA/Mossad

What makes you say that?

 

[Kurve]

What's not good about terrorist's walkie talkies exploding? Sounds like genius to me.

It wasn't just one batch of Hezbollah pagers they accessed at some point and tampered with.

It's become a lot more complicated and will be necessary imo, to find out how they did it.

 

[jason_recliner]

It wasn't just one batch of Hezbollah pagers they accessed at some point and tampered with.

It's become a lot more complicated and will be necessary imo, to find out how they did it.

Maybe that European company is a front.

 

[Zidane98]

What's not good about terrorist's walkie talkies exploding? Sounds like genius to me.

Who uses a pager these days anyway.

 

[Jazny]

I doubt it counts when you're booby-trapping terrorists.

Everyone is covered by IHL and IHRL regardless of whether they are terrorists or not.

Best to just wait for all the information before judging cases like this. It's pretty unprecedented as far as I am aware.

 

[Lebbo73]

Like ISIS?

Obama funded and protected ISIS. Trump destroyed ISIS by giving control back to the military on what targets to bomb. Obama is funding ISIS again.
Btw, this isn’t the thread.

 

[Zidane98]

It wasn't just one batch of Hezbollah pagers they accessed at some point and tampered with.

It's become a lot more complicated and will be necessary imo, to find out how they did it.

Obviously they had someone on the inside that told them which pagers went to Hezbollah operatives.


Operationally what has this done to Hezbollah? If it mostly shuts them down the Lebanese government will be very happy.

 

[faible]

Letter from Iran to the United Nations Security Council, in response to the pager attacks. I've underlined references to the rules.

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https://newyork.mfa.ir/portal/product/11581/451/Ambassador39s-Letter-to-UNSC-Following-Israeli-Regime39s-Acts-of-Terrorism-in-Lebanon

What's not good about terrorist's walkie talkies exploding? Sounds like genius to me.

Everyone is covered by IHL and IHRL regardless of whether they are terrorists or not.

Best to just wait for all the information before judging cases like this. It's pretty unprecedented as far as I am aware.

Lebanon: Exploding Pagers Harmed Hezbollah, Civilians

Thousands of pagers simultaneously exploded across Lebanon and parts of Syria on September 17, 2024, resulting in at least 12 deaths, including at least two children and two health workers, and at least 2,800 injuries, according to Lebanon’s Ministry of Health.

www.hrw.org

The following quote can be attributed to Lama Fakih, Middle East and North Africa Director at Human Rights Watch:

“Customary international humanitarian law prohibits the use of booby traps – objects that civilians are likely to be attracted to or are associated with normal civilian daily use – precisely to avoid putting civilians at grave risk and produce the devastating scenes that continue to unfold across Lebanon today. The use of an explosive device whose exact location could not be reliably known would be unlawfully indiscriminate, using a means of attack that could not be directed at a specific military target and as a result would strike military targets and civilians without distinction. A prompt and impartial investigation into the attacks should be urgently conducted.”

 

[Zidane98]

Hamas was created by the CIA/Mossad and will be destroyed by Israel.

We have enough conspiracy theories in here already. Another nonsense one like this isn't needed.

 

[Kurve]

Btw, this isn’t the thread.

 

[faible]

Who uses a pager these days anyway.

They're in use by the tens of thousands in hospitals all around the world.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/who-still-uses-pagers-anyway-2024-09-18/

NHS had around 130,000 as recently as 2019, and apparently many doctors are loathe to replace them with mobile phones. The North American market is worth about half a billion in revenue.

 

[Zidane98]

They're in use by the tens of thousands in hospitals all around the world.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/who-still-uses-pagers-anyway-2024-09-18/

NHS had around 130,000 as recently as 2019, and apparently many doctors are loathe to replace them with mobile phones. The North American market is worth about half a billion in revenue.

More widespread than I imagined. Wifey works as a nursing unit manager in a private hospital. Haven't seen a pager on a doctor / surgeon there since about 2006.

 

[faible]

Operationally what has this done to Hezbollah? If it mostly shuts them down the Lebanese government will be very happy.

Hezbollah is a lot more than just a militia

Hezbollah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Kurve]

Lebanon: Exploding Pagers Harmed Hezbollah, Civilians

Thousands of pagers simultaneously exploded across Lebanon and parts of Syria on September 17, 2024, resulting in at least 12 deaths, including at least two children and two health workers, and at least 2,800 injuries, according to Lebanon’s Ministry of Health.

www.hrw.org

I posted the relevant links on booby traps and other devices yesterday, in consideration Israel may have breached those specific rules.

Nothing on the Geneva Convention yet that I can find, unless it's about the weight of the explosive but we might be completely on the wrong track thinking there was any explosives in the pagers.

https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v2/rule80

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.40_CCW P-II as amended.pdf

 

[Kurve]

They're in use by the tens of thousands in hospitals all around the world.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/who-still-uses-pagers-anyway-2024-09-18/

NHS had around 130,000 as recently as 2019, and apparently many doctors are loathe to replace them with mobile phones. The North American market is worth about half a billion in revenue.

This isn't the only hospital in Beirut but let's be a bit cautious.

At a crucial time when AUBMC physicians, nurses, and staff have been fully mobilized to deal with the aftermath of today’s injuries, several malicious social media outlets have started spreading rumors and conspiracy theories about the types of communications systems AUB has in place, attempting to link AUB to this tragic event. The university categorically denies these baseless allegations.Following are the facts. Our paging system infrastructure was upgraded in April 2024. The Go-Live for switching to the new system took place on August 29, 2024. The scope of this upgrade was to enhance emergency and code communication, as several devices and systems had become obsolete.The American University of Beirut Medical Center has received over 160 seriously injured individuals over the last three hours, with more to come. Our full focus must be on saving lives and caring for the wounded to the best of our ability. Rather than waste time spreading baseless rumors, we urge all to rally to support AUBMC and the heroic but overwhelmed medical system in Lebanon.

 

[Kurve]

Obviously they had someone on the inside that told them which pagers went to Hezbollah operatives.


Operationally what has this done to Hezbollah? If it mostly shuts them down the Lebanese government will be very happy.

It's not just the pagers though and it can be considered done with, as an isolated event and the lesson's learnt. They're blowing up walkie-talkies as well.

 

[jason_recliner]

Everyone is covered by IHL and IHRL regardless of whether they are terrorists or not.

Best to just wait for all the information before judging cases like this. It's pretty unprecedented as far as I am aware.

Not really. Israel has committed many targeted assassinations, covert operations, and attacks such as bombings in foreign States over the years. This technique is different but the intent, outcome and consequences are the same.

 

[jason_recliner]

Obama is funding ISIS again.

 

[faible]

Not really. Israel has committed many targeted assassinations, covert operations, and attacks such as bombings in foreign States over the years. This technique is different but the intent, outcome and consequences are the same.

They're under a lot more scrutiny these days due to their actions in Gaza

 

[Ghost Patrol]

What's not good about terrorist's walkie talkies exploding? Sounds like genius to me.

Israel has been calling the student protestors terrorists.

They see them as legitimate targets.

 

[Kurve]

They're under a lot more scrutiny these days due to their actions in Gaza

A single assassination would be difficult to actually pin someone on, I think this attack is different. It could only have been an Israeli government sanctioned operation.

There's nowhere else to go IMO.

 

[SuperSub17]

More widespread than I imagined. Wifey works as a nursing unit manager in a private hospital. Haven't seen a pager on a doctor / surgeon there since about 2006.

Many public hospitals in Australia still use them today.

 

[jason_recliner]

Israel has been calling the student protestors terrorists.

They see them as legitimate targets.

How is that relevant? They didn't target student protestors.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

How is that relevant? They didn't target student protestors.

They label everyone as terrorists, then say they only target terrorists.

And you are here repeating that second part.

 

[Zidane98]

Can't say I am too upset about the Iranian / Hezbollah ambassador being taken out.