Current WAR CRIMES Israel - Hamas Conflict

[petrie pie]

They have launched some pretty daring missions to rescue them, I think they care. Just not at the cost of incentivizing Hamas's terrorism and allowing them to continue to exist and commit more mass terrorism against Israel.

Most wouldn't like it. Not really a measure if the Israeli government are doing the right thing though. Most parents in that situation would do anything to get their sons and daughters back regardless of the future consequences.

Do not forget the IDF also murdered 3 hostages who were waving white flags, that right there should explain to right minded people how much Israel cares about it,s hostages. That was a very brave and daring mission, god forbid you were a Palestinian.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I wouldn't be too critical of Wong, she's been a great mate of Israel throughout this whole conflict - by sitting back and doing and saying sweet FA about Israel's mass murder and destruction

Perhaps because at least she/Labor recognises that’s actually not what’s happening. They still won’t back the only democracy, a third of the size of Tasmania, in the ME, when victory to terrorism (ie Iran) would be the worst of all possible results for the world.

As for the hostages, it's time that you realize that the prime, even absolute, level of responsibility for their return alive lies with the Israel government - and (to use your tactic of capitalizing) - THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. What's that saying about the definition of insanity - ie doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

If you believe that Hamas will EVER (there’s those pesky capitals again ) EVER return the hostages alive you’re dreaming’. Those poor people (the ones still alive that is ) are suffering their own Holocaust, trapped underground as a security cushion for Sinwar. If the IDF can’t rescue them they will be killed like the last group.

There isn’t any way they will be voluntarily released.

If Israel actually gave a crap about the hostages, they would realize that their strategy isn't working and would try something different.

Like what? Withdraw from Gaza before eliminating Hamas, who will immediately re-arm, regroup (thanks Iran) and wait for the next October 7? Again and again and again? It won’t result in freeing the hostages either, see above.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Perhaps because at least she/Labor recognises that’s actually not what’s happening. They still won’t back the only democracy, a third of the size of Tasmania, in the ME, when victory to terrorism (ie Iran) would be the worst of all possible results for the world.


If you believe that Hamas will EVER (there’s those pesky capitals again ) EVER return the hostages alive you’re dreaming’. Those poor people (the ones still alive that is ) are suffering their own Holocaust, trapped underground as a security cushion for Sinwar. If the IDF can’t rescue them they will be killed like the last group.

There isn’t any way they will be voluntarily released.


Like what? Withdraw from Gaza before eliminating Hamas, who will immediately re-arm, regroup (thanks Iran) and wait for the next October 7? Again and again and again? It won’t result in freeing the hostages either, see above.

You ignore that the majority of returned hostages happened during a ceasefire. Since then, Netanyahu has shifted the goal posts every time a deal is near.

But we can't fix the Murdoch brain rot, it's a shame you got infected. You obviously dont GAF about human lives.

 

[sherb]

Perhaps because at least she/Labor recognises that’s actually not what’s happening. They still won’t back the only democracy, a third of the size of Tasmania, in the ME, when victory to terrorism (ie Iran) would be the worst of all possible results for the world.


If you believe that Hamas will EVER (there’s those pesky capitals again ) EVER return the hostages alive you’re dreaming’. Those poor people (the ones still alive that is ) are suffering their own Holocaust, trapped underground as a security cushion for Sinwar. If the IDF can’t rescue them they will be killed like the last group.

There isn’t any way they will be voluntarily released.


Like what? Withdraw from Gaza before eliminating Hamas, who will immediately re-arm, regroup (thanks Iran) and wait for the next October 7? Again and again and again? It won’t result in freeing the hostages either, see above.

Explain to me how well the current Israeli strategy for having hostages returned alive is working - the strategy that has been in place for nearly a year.

While you are at it, explain to me how bombing Lebanon is helping secure the hostages' safe release.

 

[Kurve]

Confirmed, Nasrallah is dead.

 

[Zidane98]

Interesting



Netanyahu trying to form a ME alliance.

 

[Zidane98]

Confirmed, Nasrallah is dead.

Some talk Khamenei is in hiding

If the supreme leadership of Iran stands down it's all over for Hamas / Hezbollah.

 

[Zidane98]

That's pretty conclusive.

Over to Iran/Hamas now.

 

[Zidane98]

Good read this one. Hezbollah may be no more after this war.

 

[Jazny]

Good read this one. Hezbollah may be no more after this war.

You would think recruitment to Hezbollah would be a hard sell right now.

 

[faible]

That's pretty conclusive.

Over to Iran/Hamas now.

Nothing is conclusive until Netanyahu signs a deal that all parties can agree to.

He’s repeatedly demonstrated an unwillingness to do this.

 

[Zidane98]

Nothing is conclusive until Netanyahu signs a deal that all parties can agree to.

He’s repeatedly demonstrated an unwillingness to do this.

A public statement at a UN general assembly is about as conclusive as you can get.

 

[faible]

A public statement at a UN general assembly is about as conclusive as you can get.

His word is worthless.

When he signs the dotted line on an agreement acceptable to all parties, then I’ll believe it. To this point his actions have demonstrated little interest in a viable ceasefire.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

A public statement at a UN general assembly is about as conclusive as you can get.

Netanyahu has being lying to you for 11 months. Why do you still support him?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Quite clearly the answer is I don't. I'd like to see Netanyahu, Gallant, all leaders of Hamas, Hezbollah & Iran's supreme leadership hauled before the ICC.

Other posters seem to be able to mention Netanyahu only. For obvious reasons.

Imagine if someone was to blow up 6 buildings to kill Netanyahu, killing hundreds of innocents while displacing a million Israelis.

Would you find that interesting, or would you be screaming about terrorists?

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Explain to me how well the current Israeli strategy for having hostages returned alive is working - the strategy that has been in place for nearly a year.

While you are at it, explain to me how bombing Lebanon is helping secure the hostages' safe release.

I’ve already explained that the hostages won’t be released, they will have to be rescued if there’s to be any hope of their survival.

Israel’s other aim is to eliminate the terror threats of Hamas and Hezbollah (read Iran), who keep trying to eliminate them.

None of the terrorists are remotely interested in peace, as we can see from the sham negotiations over the past twelve months which have seen the most pressure placed on the nation under siege and the terrorists enjoying the spectacle.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

To understand the escalation in Lebanon, we must confront what Israelis are thinking | John Jenkins

Netanyahu has his own reasons for prolonging the conflict, but many Israelis still want to see Hamas and Hezbollah neutralised, says former British diplomat Sir John Jenkins

www.theguardian.com

 

[Jazny]

Imagine if someone was to blow up 6 buildings to kill Netanyahu, killing hundreds of innocents while displacing a million Israelis.

"The Lebanese Health Ministry said six people were killed and 91 injured in the strikes Friday that leveled six apartment buildings"

Hezbollah confirms its leader Hassan Nasrallah was killed in an Israeli airstrike

Nasrallah led the militant group for more than three decades. His death could dramatically reshape conflicts across the Middle East.

apnews.com

 

[sherb]

I’ve already explained that the hostages won’t be released, they will have to be rescued if there’s to be any hope of their survival.

Israel’s other aim is to eliminate the terror threats of Hamas and Hezbollah (read Iran), who keep trying to eliminate them.

None of the terrorists are remotely interested in peace, as we can see from the sham negotiations over the past twelve months which have seen the most pressure placed on the nation under siege and the terrorists enjoying the spectacle.

Really? Because history doesn't back that statement up. You must have missed this.

24 hostages are released as Israel-Hamas deal pauses Gaza fighting

In addition to 13 Israeli hostages freed in the truce agreement, a number of Thai nationals captured from Israel on Oct. 7 were also released.

www.nbcnews.com

But sure, let's pretend that a negotiated withdrawal of hostages doesn't work.

So, again, how successful has Israel's strategy of mass murder and destruction been?

 

[Kurve]

Netanyahu trying to form a ME alliance.

The Saudis under MBS, are strongly behind it as well.

 

[FIGJAM]

One of the things I get most confused about with these supposed "terrorist" groups, is the painting of the narrative that they're completely detached from the people from within which they co-exist.

On the ABC the other day, a Lebanese commentator slammed Netanyahu for stating that Hezbollah were using the Lebanese civilians as "human shields". He stated that the Israeli Defence Force live within civilian areas, so what is the difference?

The ABC interviewer didn't press this issue, but the obvious follow up angle is this; the only way there is similarity in this analogy is if Hezbollah is Lebanon's defence force.

Now Israel has clipped Nasrallah and Lebanon goes into 3 days of mourning and flags are to fly half mast across the country.

Then of course there is plenty of footage of Gazans celebrating Hamas' actions in the streets on October 7.

It appears like it's exceedingly convenient for these Arab states to palm off all conflict onto "terrorist" groups, wash their hands of their actions and claim "we're just innocent civilians", when their collective actions are clearly to the contrary.

 

[Zidane98]

Imagine if someone was to blow up 6 buildings to kill Netanyahu, killing hundreds of innocents while displacing a million Israelis.

Would you find that interesting, or would you be screaming about terrorists?

Imagine if someone was to murder hundreds of Palestinian civilians while attempting to murder hundreds of Israeli civilians.

This happened and these are the people you support and amplify their propaganda.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Imagine if someone was to murder hundreds of Palestinian civilians while attempting to murder hundreds of Israeli civilians.

This happened and these are the people you support and amplify their propaganda.

I support the Palestinian civilians. You keep conflating that with terrorists, just like your mate Netanyahu.

You are a likely candidate for Greg Sheridan's BigFooty account.

 

[sherb]

Imagine if someone was to murder hundreds of Palestinian civilians while attempting to murder hundreds of Israeli civilians.

This happened and these are the people you support and amplify their propaganda.

Imagine if someone was to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians in an overwhelmingly unsuccessful strategy (purportedly) to release hostages?

This happened too.

 

[Zidane98]

Imagine if someone was to murder tens of thousands of innocent civilians in an overwhelmingly unsuccessful strategy (purportedly) to release hostages?

This happened too.

In the world of Hamas this happened.

Reality is quite different.