Current WAR CRIMES Israel - * ICC issues warrants for Israel's Benjamin Netanyahu & Yoav Gallant & for Hamas's Mohammed Deif

[Kurve]

The ICC has also issued a warrant for Hamas leader Mohammed Deif, who Israel says they have killed.

According to the ICC, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that Deif was “responsible for the crimes against humanity of murder; extermination; torture; and rape and other form of sexual violence; as well as the war crimes of murder, cruel treatment, torture; taking hostages; outrages upon personal dignity; and rape and other form of sexual violence”.

It also said there were reasonable grounds to believe the crimes against humanity were “part of a widespread and systematic attack directed by Hamas and other armed groups against the civilian population of Israel”.

For Netanyahu and Gallant, who was replaced as defence minister earlier this month, the chamber “found reasonable grounds to believe” that they “each bear criminal responsibility for the following crimes as co-perpetrators for committing the acts jointly with others: the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare; and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts”.

It also found reasonable grounds to believe that “each bear criminal responsibility as civilian superiors for the war crime of intentionally directing an attack against the civilian population”.




INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT

INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT - Elements of Crimes Against Humanity and War Crimes

 

[Zidane98]

Statement by Israel re: military action against Houthi military targets

 

[Jazny]

Here is an interview with the author of that Gaza death toll report. I am not endorsing or disendorsing the title of the video, just posting it because it was discussed previously.

 

[treeebeard]

Fresh from his Israel junket. Wonder what a "research" fellow at Henry Jackson is paid.

 

[DapperDon]

Is this genocide?

No, let me say why, it's because Israel have dropped so many bombs it's not a genocide.

I stopped the video at this moment

 

[Jazny]

Fresh from his Israel junket. Wonder what a "research" fellow at Henry Jackson is paid.

Might need to come up with a better rebuttal than this. He could be paid millions by Bibi himself and it wouldn't make any difference if his research is correct. Journalists and fact checkers should be doing the work going over his analysis and cross referencing it with the Hamas records. If it turns out there is widespread and significant fudging in the numbers, it's worth knowing. He seems credible enough, but for me to believe his analysis I want to see some more thorough fact checking to know if what he found were more isolated mistakes or widespread deliberate fudging of demographics and false attribution of blame on Israel for a significant portion of the deaths (he claims up to 6000 natural deaths may have been included).

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Might need to come up with a better rebuttal than this. He could be paid millions by Bibi himself and it wouldn't make any difference if his research is correct. Journalists and fact checkers should be doing the work going over his analysis and cross referencing it with the Hamas records. If it turns out there is widespread and significant fudging in the numbers, it's worth knowing. He seems credible enough, but for me to believe his analysis I want to see some more thorough fact checking to know if what he found were more isolated mistakes or widespread deliberate fudging of demographics and false attribution of blame on Israel for a significant portion of the deaths (he claims up to 6000 natural deaths may have been included).

Many years in the future, historians will shed more light on this.

 

[Jazny]

Many years in the future, historians will shed more light on this.

I don't doubt they blame every single violent death as being killed by Israel even if Hamas killed them. It would be actually pretty hard for them to know in most cases, so they would likely just count it in the violent deaths they attribute to Israel.

There is evidence that they are counting at least some natural deaths in the deaths in the tally though which would be very dodgy. So would the aging down by a year thing if that is widespread. But I want further analysis to be done before I believe his claim that up to 6000 natural deaths are being included in the death toll.

The ABC did their own checking of the data a couple of months ago and did not find that many misgendered people in the count. Not enough to make any significant difference to the overall ratio of men to women killed. I think the numbers are more accurate now than at the start of the war. There were some pretty wild claims of the proportion of women and children killed coming from the start of the war that don't seem to be true now.

I kind of doubt that the Hamas numbers we have now are way off, but numbers can be fudged a little and it will take quite awhile for us to know the truth. I just think it needs further fact checking.

We do know that Hamas are questionable in that they don't bother distinguishing military and civilian casualties so even that should make us suspect. But Hamas also are known to fight as civilians with no uniform and disguise themselves as civilians so even if they did distinguish combatants it would probably be an under count because in Gaza it's not always easy to tell who was participating in hostilities.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Yeah destroying the entire health system wouldn't have anything to do with people dying of natural causes.

Can't get medical help for treatable health problems? Oh that's just natural death!

I'd tend to believe The Lancet over the junket guy.

 

[DapperDon]

In honour of the late great Michael Leuing, who passed away today.

Sad that this was drawn over a decade ago.

 

[DapperDon]

Yeah destroying the entire health system wouldn't have anything to do with people dying of natural causes.

Can't get medical help for treatable health problems? Oh that's just natural death!

I'd tend to believe The Lancet over the junket guy.

Don't forget that Gazan's are having babies, so it can't be genocide.

Strong odds the babies will die, but still can't be genocide because reasons

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Many years in the future, historians will shed more light on this.

Similar to how historians shed more light on the holocaust and related complicity?

 

[IlovethePies]

Amazing revelation of the hypocricy of Israel's main backer, the US government, reflected in the msm corporate media (which has become a propaganda arm of the US government and the Pentagon).

Apparently, the ICC is needed to resolve war crimes in Russia, Sudan, Myanmar.

Targeting Israel makes that harder.

- Washington Post

 

[jason_recliner]

Amazing revelation of the hypocricy of Israel's main backer, the US government, reflected in the msm corporate media (which has become a propaganda arm of the US government and the Pentagon).

Apparently, the ICC is needed to resolve war crimes in Russia, Sudan, Myanmar.

Targeting Israel makes that harder.

- Washington Post

Bezos, who is a CIA contractor and is on the Pentagon's Defense Advisory Board, owns the WP. i.e. it's a facist propaganda rag. But at least they have a few 'big name' writers, well-regarded and respected by idiots, who can put their name on propaganda like this to make it more credible (to idiots, at least). Wait, this was written by the entire 'Editorial Board'? It's possibly nothing more than a Pentagon 'Press Release'.

 

[treeebeard]

Might need to come up with a better rebuttal than this. He could be paid millions by Bibi himself and it wouldn't make any difference if his research is correct. Journalists and fact checkers should be doing the work going over his analysis and cross referencing it with the Hamas records. If it turns out there is widespread and significant fudging in the numbers, it's worth knowing. He seems credible enough, but for me to believe his analysis I want to see some more thorough fact checking to know if what he found were more isolated mistakes or widespread deliberate fudging of demographics and false attribution of blame on Israel for a significant portion of the deaths (he claims up to 6000 natural deaths may have been included).

It's not a rebuttal at all, just a heads up for viewers that his research is heavily biased. Kind of like the research funded by coca cola about healthy lifestyles.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

There is evidence that they are counting at least some natural deaths in the deaths in the tally though which would be very dodgy.

Where is the evidence? There's nothing cited in the report that I saw? The majority of natural deaths would trend heavily to the elderly - there is nothing in the numbers to indicate these are included?

So would the aging down by a year thing if that is widespread.

This is actually easily explained - in April the MoH didnt' have access to their usual reporting systems, and were manually compiling data. Between April and June, 70% of the entries had their ages changes. This is because they were calculating ages based on year of birth, not full birth date. In June they had access to their systems and updated the info accordingly.

People born between Jan and Apr would have been listed correctly, those born later in the year would be listed as one year older than they actually were when they died. This means more children, but also more military aged men. Nothing malicious or dodgy about it.

You'll notice that they don't mention that the updated ages are incorrect - because they aren't. Andrew had access to the Population Registry and knows they are correct, but carefully doesn't mention it - intellectually dishonest.

But I want further analysis to be done before I believe his claim that up to 6000 natural deaths are being included in the death toll.

All they've done is taken the typical natural death number for the time period in Gaza and assumed every one of those and more is included in the MoH casualty figure. With no evidence at all that I can find. Intellectually dishonest, just like much of the rest.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Amazing revelation of the hypocricy of Israel's main backer, the US government, reflected in the msm corporate media (which has become a propaganda arm of the US government and the Pentagon).

Apparently, the ICC is needed to resolve war crimes in Russia, Sudan, Myanmar.

Targeting Israel makes that harder.

- Washington Post

Ludicrous that they think this is an opinion they should share freely and openly in their newspaper.

 

[Jazny]

It's not a rebuttal at all, just a heads up for viewers that his research is heavily biased. Kind of like the research funded by coca cola about healthy lifestyles.

It's as weak as someone replying to the recent Netzarim corridor Haaretz article by just saying Haaretz is heavily biased. I mean of course it is but that doesn't make the reporting wrong.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

It's as weak as someone replying to the recent Netzarim corridor Haaretz article by just saying Haaretz is heavily biased. I mean of course it is but that doesn't make the reporting wrong.

You're saying Haaretz is biased?

Biased against and toward whom?

 

[Jazny]

You're saying Haaretz is biased?

Biased against and toward whom?

It has a left leaning bias similar to many outlets that lean left or right. Is this surprising to you? It has it's left wing audience it caters too, like Sky News Australia caters to a right wing biased audience of mostly reactionary boomers. Doesn't make reports by either outlet wrong. They are still doing journalism (if it's not an opinion piece), the factual reporting is unlikely to be completely fabricated even if potentially sensationalised or presented in a way to suit a narrative. Anyone dismissing a journalistic report based on the outlet is giving a weak response.

I have said before that Haaretz is okay, kind of similar to the Guardian.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

IDF soldiers expose arbitrary killings and rampant lawlessness in Gaza's Netzarim corridor

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www.haaretz.com

Here's one for the head in sand brigade to ignore and downplay

Some extracts for those who don't have access to read this article. We have heard most of this from other sources already, but it's been denied/ignored in this thread for some reason.





This is absolutely atrocious, and makes those trying to claim some 'record combatant to civilian ratio' look pretty shameful. To be fair I don't see that claim repeated too often in this thread.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Many years in the future, historians will shed more light on this.

I'll give you a hint - it's not going to look good for your team.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

You're saying Haaretz is biased?

Biased against and toward whom?

At least you know that Haaretz aren’t going on the junkets.

 

[Jazny]

At least you know that Haaretz aren’t going on the junkets.

If I find out a single Haaretz staffer has been to Qatar it will nullify all Haaretz journalism forever.

 

[treeebeard]

It's as weak as someone replying to the recent Netzarim corridor Haaretz article by just saying Haaretz is heavily biased. I mean of course it is but that doesn't make the reporting wrong.

I never claimed the reporting was wrong. Just biased. If you wish to contend that Haaretz is biased because they go on Israeli funded junkets, go for it.

 

[faible]

Many years in the future, historians will shed more light on this.

Many years in the future, it'll likely be called a genocide, along with the other genocides.

People will wonder why no one spoke out.