Wayne Carey and Corey Mckernan or Lance Franklin and Jarryd Roughead?

Who is the better pair?

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yeh I agree with that King, it's unfortunate he has had to be the main guy in a fairly young team and as a consequence, hasn't had the luxury someone like Jnr has since he moved across from Perth.

Would love to now see Judd go forward in the twilight of his career and prove he can also kick the goals because he's had no issues doing so in midfield and would also prolong his career by not having to get crunched every ruck bounce.
 
I'd personally go with the Hawks duo, simply because Franklin is crazy athletic and is almost as good as Carey imo, and the fact that Roughead has a funny name is streets ahead of McKernan ability-wise.
 
Danger in Texas said:
I'd personally go with the Hawks duo, simply because Franklin is crazy athletic and is almost as good as Carey imo, and the fact that Roughead has a funny name is streets ahead of McKernan ability-wise.
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BoshtrichBurger said:
Franklin may be an athletic and genetic freak, but he is still behind Carey in many facets.

McKernan's best (for a while), was better than Roughie.
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Agree that McKernan's best is better than Roughie's. I mean, he won a Brownlow. And obviously Carey is better than Buddy.

All I would argue is that Franklin complimented Roughie better than King complimented McKernan. I mean, Corey played in more of a ruck role than a forward, whether as Roughie plays more as a forward, so it's an unfair argument in a way.
 
Danger in Texas said:
Agree that McKernan's best is better than Roughie's. I mean, he won a Brownlow. And obviously Carey is better than Buddy.

All I would argue is that Franklin complimented Roughie better than King complimented McKernan. I mean, Corey played in more of a ruck role than a forward, whether as Roughie plays more as a forward, so it's an unfair argument in a way.
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McKernan didn't win a Brownlow, but I get it. :p

Roughie compliments Buddy as he is able to be a versatile forward when Buddy is up the ground, as well as pinch-hit in the ruck when Buddy is deep forward.

McKernan is practically the same, but because he was better than Roughie in being the foil to a more dominant player and thus, created a tandem that was the top echelon of football during the 90s, I'd go with Carey/Corey over Buddy/Roughie.
 
BoshtrichBurger said:
McKernan didn't win a Brownlow, but I get it. :p

Roughie compliments Buddy as he is able to be a versatile forward when Buddy is up the ground, as well as pinch-hit in the ruck when Buddy is deep forward.

McKernan is practically the same, but because he was better than Roughie in being the foil to a more dominant player and thus, created a tandem that was the top echelon of football during the 90s, I'd go with Carey/Corey over Buddy/Roughie.
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I would say that Roughie is a better forward than McKernan was, but Corey was a better ruck. It depends on how you look at it. I would say that Carey/Corey were a better overall tandem, however Buddy/Roughie are a better tandem in the forward line alone.
 
Danger in Texas said:
I would say that Roughie is a better forward than McKernan was, but Corey was a better ruck. It depends on how you look at it. I would say that Carey/Corey were a better overall tandem, however Buddy/Roughie are a better tandem in the forward line alone.
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True.
 
1996 GF McKernan was our leading possession getter at 29 and was a beesdi*k from the Norm Smith.
The week before Carey was our leading possession getter with 24 and 3 goals against a red hot Brisbane who had beaten us earlier in the year?

Carey doesn't play well in GF? Oh dear. It's more of a case that his absolute best was so jaw droppingly good that 22possies, 9 marks and 1.3goals seems bad in comparison. If Buddy or Tommahawk has those numbers it'd be slightly above average. But for Carey it's bad??? Plus of his 9 marks several were inside 50 that he then handballed onto Freeborn/Allison for the goal that he could easily have converted himself. Plus 1.3 isn't great but 1 was a low % snap.

Buddy and Roughie are a great forward duo but not elite which is what McKernan and Carey were.
 
DawOfPromotion said:
No he wouldn't. Doesn't have the disposal of Carey, the contested marking of Carey or the team oriented mindset of Carey.

People fundamentally misunderstand what PP was all about.

It was Carey taking a contested mark then dishing off in to a Grant/Abraham/Allison/Harvey streaming into the open space and goal.

PP would expose Franklin's flaws. This is what everyone forgets about Carey - not only did he have the traits of an elite KPF in tersm of size, strength, aggression, contested marking, he also had the hand and foot skills and of an elite midfielder. Like, truly elite. That is what made him the best.
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Get your North duffell coat off and take a look with both eyes.
Franklins pace would of helped him run on to the open ball.

Hahahah team orientated mindset that is one of the most BS things I've heard on this board, seriously do you have any idea what team means?
Not shagging your best mates missus at your other best mates house.:rolleyes:
 
pacman said:
Hahahah team orientated mindset that is one of the most BS things I've heard on this board, seriously do you have any idea what team means?
Not shagging your best mates missus at your other best mates house.:rolleyes:
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Onfield Carey was far team oriented than Franklin. Far, far more.

Your post indicates you don't even understand what Pagan's Paddock was about. It wasn't about Carey running into open space.
 

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pacman said:
I understood it plenty it wasn't as tricky as you make out.
I'm not going to argue with someone that only wears blue & white glasses.
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I'm not going to pretend that Anthony Rock was better than John Platten.

I'm going to say Carey was the far better distributor of the ball, involved teammates far more, set team mates up for goals far more and that Franklin would not have been able to execute Pagan's Paddock anywhere near as well.
 
pacman said:
Which one?
So you're saying Carey is the ultimate team man? take off the rose or Roos coloured glasses.
He nearly destroyed your club!

You are the goose, or you don't respect real legends of your club in Archer & Stevens.
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We were discussing his impact on the field in Blue and white?

Destroyed the club? Like the death star? Please explain?

massive effect and repercussions but destroyed?:rolleyes:
 
pacman said:
I understood it plenty it wasn't as tricky as you make out.
I'm not going to argue with someone that only wears blue & white glasses.
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Your teams colours are the colours of Human waste, I'd rather wear the blue and white instead of Piss and Shit.
LOL go home, you cant even compare Franklin to the King nor Roughhead to Mckernan. It's not even debatable.
 
RazielsoulR said:
Your teams colours are the colours of Human waste, I'd rather wear the blue and white instead of Piss and Shit.
LOL go home, you cant even compare Franklin to the King nor Roughhead to Mckernan. It's not even debatable.
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Funny.

Franklin will end up with more goals in his career then Carey and Roughead like Franklin is only 26, has already 306 goals and is on track for another 40+ goal season. He will smash McKernans massive 318 career goals, Roughead is on track for 500+ goals and he has at least another 6-7 years left in him.
 
buddylebo23 said:
Funny.

Franklin will end up with more goals in his career then Carey and Roughead like Franklin is only 26, has already 306 goals and is on track for another 40+ goal season. He will smash McKernans massive 318 career goals, Roughead is on track for 500+ goals and he has at least another 6-7 years left in him.
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I think Roughead will compare alright to McKernan by the end of his career, McKernan will always have that one year I guess, where he was probably the #1 player in the game. all-be-it a very short reign.

Almost doing the MVP/Brownlow double when the likes of Carey, Ablett, Hird, Buckley, Voss et all are going around is a fair effort, and I doubt Roughead will ever top that in his respective era, but he still has time.

As for Franklin, well plenty of players have kicked more goals than Carey in their careers, a goals argument doesn't really cut the mustard imo. As a total package I don't think they are close tbh.

As a prototypical player, Carey was pretty flawless, the only argument against him was he was a bit slower in his mid/late 20's because of the injuries he had.

As an early 20's player around 1994, pre-shoulders, he's definately the best player I've ever seen.
 
As I've stated before Carey is and always will be better then Buddy. As for Roughead, I firmly believe that Roughead who is still only 26 and probably in the prime of his career, still has a fair bit to offer Hawthorn still and could achieve a little bit more. I rate McKernan highly, but in my opinion I believe that by the end of Roughead career he will be viewed as a better footballer then McKernan.
 
This shouldn't even be up for discussion, especially with Franklins pathetic attempts at a "contested mark", Hawthorn should pay duck to come down and show him how to actually extend his arms and "attempt" to mark it
 
Kicking more goals then another player doesent make you a better player lol.
Lockett kicked more goals then Carey and Carey was a far better player.

Sigh..
 

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