He also kicked 16 goals in 4 finals in 1994. Two hauls of 6 goals in that lot.
So yes, if you remove 1989, 1992, and 1994, then I guess his finals record wasn't too amazing. Makes perfect sense.
WCE peak Judd was better than peak GAJ and peak Dustin Martin
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He also kicked 16 goals in 4 finals in 1994. Two hauls of 6 goals in that lot.
So yes, if you remove 1989, 1992, and 1994, then I guess his finals record wasn't too amazing. Makes perfect sense.
Except it seems if you are ever debating any Richmond player or achievement being superior to the Geelong version.
Dusty's 2017 season has the debate effectively snookered from every angle. So if you think it is debatable...show us what is on the other side of the debate to make it debatable. Because without a coherent & plausible argument for an alternative there is no real debate. Just you saying it is debatable.
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Ablett couldn't even win his teams B&F
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But I didn’t debate it.
I haven’t said a word about it to you here and now.
All I’ve said to you is that it’s open to debate and that anything is, and in response to someone else that it’s the most decorated season and that’s why a lot of people have an open and shut view that it’s a black-and-white, open and shut case of it being the highest attained standard anyone has reached.
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Ablett was ordinary in the 94 prelim with his first goal coming from a dive the second a cheap Joe the goose, downright terrible in the Grand Final
You are saying it is debatable but not providing genuine evidence of it being debatable. You may as well say it is debatable the earth is flat or the sky is blue unless you can show a coherent argument on the other side of the debate. And I don't think you can, because it isn't truly debatable.
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Seeing as Ablett had a habit of diving probably a few
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I don’t need to provide evidence of it being debatable.
As I’ve said, anything is debatable. The earth being round is debatable. I don’t have to think that, or believe it, to say that it’s debatable. All that has to happen, is for someone to argue it and bring forth their own reasoning and their own evidence.
More to the point in this particular scenario, though, if you’re that upset about it, as I said:
Awards don’t equal a level.
No matter how many times you try and convince the world that they do?
They don’t, and they never will.
Was Martin’s best football, in 2017 or otherwise, better than anyone else’s? Maybe. Seems you or anyone else wants to keep flogging the dead horse - among other things - about an argument I lost interest in a long time ago.
But at least stop using trinkets and ribbons to prove it.
Yep.
It has been debated ad nauseum in other threads, and zero point going through it again.
What is clear is that there are a percentage of binary people out there, where if you win an award you get a 1, and if you dont win an award, you get a 0, and conversely, more analytical non-binary people out there.
And the binary people simply don't have the where-with-all to understand the concepts analysed and presented to them by the more analytical non-binary people. And they never will, particularly when it's not in their interests to do so.
You seriously came to a thread about which of 3 players had the best peak to say it is debatable because literally everything is debatable at some level?
Wow.
It isn't really adding anything of value to the discussion when you say something that goes without saying, is it?
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No, I answered a question from someone asking why people just assume Martin’s 2017 was untouchable and I gave the clear reason that a large percentage of people automatically make that conclusion.
Which is true. Many people make that conclusion based on the awards he won.
You then jumped in, and THEN, I said it is debatable.
Lol, winning every club, season and finals award available is too binary on one thread....
meanwhile, back at Daicos City, leading an award after 18 rounds is proof you are the GOAT according to that very august analyst: Fadge. Hi flipping larious.
And if I had have actually anointed him the GOAT, you'd have a point.Lol, winning every club, season and finals award available is too binary on one thread....
meanwhile, back at Daicos City, leading an award after 18 rounds is proof you are the GOAT according to that very august analyst: Fadge. Hi flipping larious.
But we all know I haven't.
Why do you constantly need to lie in an effort to make a point?
People draw the conclusion based on believing all Dusty's achievements & awards were due to him based on how well he played and how influential that was in a massive drought breaking flag. You just made the bit up about how a large percentage of people come to the conclusion Dusty's 2017 was the greatest season ever played.
But at least you are finally coming as far as conceding a large percentage of people believe it was the best season ever played now. Your new schtick is to infer they believe that for the wrong reasons.
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Ok mate.
You are discussing Daicos being in the GOAT conversation and producing as evidence he led the Brownlow at rd 18. Then coming here and laughably arguing Dusty winning every award available including the Premiership in 2017 is "too binary" for such a sophisticated analyst as yourself.
Then asking why I lie. How about just start out being honest with yourself. You are utterly pharck ing deluded.
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Not sure I’ve seen a better game played than that day at the Gabba when Judd had 39 touches (28 contested), 7 inside 50s, 8 tackles and 4 goals.
Maybe a game or two that Ablett Sr played was similar in terms of one player’s dominance.
The thing was… it wasn’t just the numbers, as it sometimes is with others. It was more than that - he was unstoppable.
Maybe a game or two that Ablett Sr played was similar in terms of one player’s dominance.
The thing was… it wasn’t just the numbers, as it sometimes is with others. It was more than that - he was unstoppable.
lol Ablett Sr shits on Martin and you know it.
But this is about Judd v Martin so continue . . .
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And Kevin Bartlett shits on both Ablett's
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Judd was a worse field kick than the other two. He was more consistent than Dusty, but not as consistent as Gaz. Is Dusty the best in the air of the three?
I mean by adding the term peak you kind of bring Martin up to par with Judd and Ablett, Dusty is the big game player and his peaks were glorious, as good as any.
Nice convo starter but GAJ vs Judd is hard to settle. Judd's peak was obviously in Perth, not sure what OP is on about there.
All three have weaknesses too, not really outstanding leaders or captains (aside from setting a stunning example). I can recall games by Judd and GAJ where they played sublimely but it didn't seem to inspire their team mates.
If I had to choose I'd rate GAJ higher for his longer career and better consistency. Judd started with a thunderclap and played 6 or so superb seasons, but after the shoulder injury he was noticeably worse. Ablett took 3 seasons to start but rarely dipped below star level after that.
I mean by adding the term peak you kind of bring Martin up to par with Judd and Ablett, Dusty is the big game player and his peaks were glorious, as good as any.
Nice convo starter but GAJ vs Judd is hard to settle. Judd's peak was obviously in Perth, not sure what OP is on about there.
All three have weaknesses too, not really outstanding leaders or captains (aside from setting a stunning example). I can recall games by Judd and GAJ where they played sublimely but it didn't seem to inspire their team mates.
If I had to choose I'd rate GAJ higher for his longer career and better consistency. Judd started with a thunderclap and played 6 or so superb seasons, but after the shoulder injury he was noticeably worse. Ablett took 3 seasons to start but rarely dipped below star level after that.
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Lol talk about over rated. Bartlett is Richmond's Mark Ricciutto, a legend in his own small pond.
Ablett senior may be the best that ever played. Bartlett is a shibboleth for a generation who forgot what success was.
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Dude you have no clue, five b&f three in premiership years, 4 times leading goalkicker mostly playing on the ball, big game finals player, Norm Smith medalist, would have won multiple if they were around before 79, far better than the Ablett's or any Collingwood player of the last 60 years for that matter too
