WCE peak Judd was better than peak GAJ and peak Dustin Martin

[My Tilly]

And Kevin Bartlett shits on both Ablett's

I reckon Bartlett is better than Martin and Judd.

He's behind the likes of Ablett, Carey, Matthews and probably quite a few others as well.

 

[Captain_Bender]

I reckon Bartlett is better than Martin and Judd.

Not gonna argue with that

 

[Fadge]

I reckon Bartlett is better than Martin and Judd.

He's behind the likes of Ablett, Carey, Matthews and probably quite a few others as well.

Yep.

GAJ Top 10
KB Top 20
Judd Top 30
Martin Top 60

 

[Partridge]

Dude you have no clue, five b&f three in premiership years, 4 times leading goalkicker mostly playing on the ball, big game finals player, Norm Smith medalist, would have won multiple if they were around before 79, far better than the Ablett's or any Collingwood player of the last 60 years for that matter too

Bartlett was a magnificent player. Right up there in Richmond's all time greats.

Disagree about the Abletts (especially senior), but that doesn't diminish how good he was. His 1980 season - 84 goals at 33 years of age, freakishly good.

 

[Partridge]

Yep.

GAJ Top 10
KB Top 20
Judd Top 30
Martin Top 60

Wouldn't have Judd in the top 30. Too many ahead of him if we're talking all time.

 

[Captain_Bender]

Bartlett was a magnificent player. Right up there in Richmond's all time greats.

Disagree about the Abletts (especially senior), but that doesn't diminish how good he was. His 1980 season - 84 goals at 33 years of age, freakishly good.

If KB played as a forward his whole career he would have gotten close to 1500 goals

 

[Fadge]

Wouldn't have Judd in the top 30. Too many ahead of him if we're talking all time.

Judd's the 3rd best player since the turn of the century (after GAJ and Buddy).

He's easily circa Top 30.

 

[Fluro Boots]

Judd and Martin both a lot more damaging than GAJ at their best for mine. I’m probably picking peak WCE Judd first.

 

[captain cotch 9]

GAJ & Dustys ability to kick multiple goals consistently put them ahead.
Its splitting hears though.

Side note...Richmond offered pick 2 (Cotchin) and 18 (Rance) to WCE for Judd....
If Judd had came to Richmond in 2007 I doubt we finish 2nd bottom in 09 to then go on and draft Dusty

 

[Partridge]

Judd's the 3rd best player since the turn of the century (after GAJ and Buddy).

He's easily circa Top 30.

I don't think it's that easy at all. There have been a lot of great players. Lots of great midfielders as well. Judd's peak was pretty brief and he was comfortably eclipsed by Ablett. You could easily argue Martin's peak was as good, at least as influential, and his finals record was unquestionably better.

 

[Fadge]

I don't think it's that easy at all. There have been a lot of great players. Lots of great midfielders as well. Judd's peak was pretty brief and he was comfortably eclipsed by Ablett. You could easily argue Martin's peak was as good, at least as influential, and his finals record was unquestionably better.

Judd's peak was brief?

He won Brownlows (2), AFLPA MVP's (2) in different seasons to his Brownlows, club best and fairests (5) and All-Australians (6) over 8 seasons between 2004 and 2011!

You might also want to have a closer look at Judd's finals performances, because like all great players, he was also a great finals performer. Most would have Martin ahead, but the gap isn't as large as you'd think...