WCE v Carlton umpiring - a small bit of perspective

[HoneyBadger35]

No it's not.

Yes it is. It's a free if low contact and on the ball, reportable if it's off the ball. It is indeed a rule.

Plus, even though that McGinnity head high one was rubbish, the umpires evened it out by backing us in all year and paying us 2 entire free kicks more all game. Carlton didn't even have a chance, probably shouldn't have even flown over. 2 frees. I'm astounded.

Don't waste your time with these people, either come to the main board to troll, or come for a good laugh and a lack of posting.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

The umpiring was favored towards west coast last night. But hey thats what happens to interstate clubs in Victoria most weeks. Get over it .

Really?

Free Kicks WCE 2012
Round 1 (Etihad): WCE - 19, WB - 12
Round 2 (Subi): WCE - 32, Melb - 12
Round 3 (Blacktown): WCE - 23, GWS - 18
Round 4 (Subi): WCE - 33, Haw - 23
Round 5 (Etihad): WCE - 21, Rich - 17
Round 6 (Subi): WCE - 29, NM - 15
Round 7 (Etihad): WCE - 19, Ess - 19
Round 8 (Subi): WCE - 25, StK - 16
Round 9 (Subi): WCE - 19, Frem - 10
Round 10 (Gabba): WCE - 21, Bris - 13
Round 12 (Subi): WCE - 23, Carl - 21

WCE Home Free Kick Differential: +64
WCE Away Free Kick Differential: +24
WCE in Victoria Free Kick Differential: +11

While WCE being a good team can often mean that they are first to the ball and free kick counts don't have to be equal etc, it doesn't fully explain the situation. Believe it or not I actually quite like WCE (respect them and have enjoyed the rivalry with them over the years) but I cannot deny what I have seen this year (many times when I have been going for WCE against other opposition).

I can handle a little natural bias but it is bordering on ridiculous this year. I can't believe I was actually going for Carlton a little bit because of it. Sure it may have only been for 5 minutes, but it's Carlton!

 

[Goldfish]

In all honesty the umpiring at the game was very un professional and very unfair to both sides.. i am not sure where the AFL finds these umps from but Margetts would have to be the worst umpire currently in the AFL. i couldn't believe some of the decisions this chump made last night. A pathetic performance from the umpires that ruined what was a good game. The AFL should be ashamed of themselves for putting these people on the park to control a game of professional football. Hold yr heads in shame AFL.

Post of the thread. Thought the umpiring was generally poor and didn't really favour one side or the other last night.

 

[Squizz]

I have no love for Carlton, but some of those decisions were disgraceful.The two 50m penalties to the Eagles both resulted in goals and weren't there. The free against Joseph wasn't there either (Darling stripped him of the ball). That was a gift goal too. It isn't good enough, and there is bias in Perth. Needs to be addressed.

 

[scooterselwood]

In all honesty the umpiring at the game was very un professional and very unfair to both sides.. i am not sure where the AFL finds these umps from but Margetts would have to be the worst umpire currently in the AFL. i couldn't believe some of the decisions this chump made last night. A pathetic performance from the umpires that ruined what was a good game. The AFL should be ashamed of themselves for putting these people on the park to control a game of professional football. Hold yr heads in shame AFL.

that's ok then.

 

[ThePine]

West Coast don't control the umpires. Its an AFL issue they need to address.

What West Coast do control however is playing for free kicks.

- Shuey ducked into the tackle twice by dropping his knees and leading with his head.
- Cox tucks is arm back constantly looking for a holding free kick. He got 3 free kicks from this technique.
- Darling embarrassing himself with a head throw back.

They have a culture of playing for the free. About the only player in the team that plays the ball is Priddis. He earns his disposals.

Also, the free kick count is misleading. West Coast kicked it out of bounds on the full 4 or 5 times. That counts as a free for.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

In all honesty the umpiring at the game was very un professional and very unfair to both sides.. i am not sure where the AFL finds these umps from but Margetts would have to be the worst umpire currently in the AFL. i couldn't believe some of the decisions this chump made last night. A pathetic performance from the umpires that ruined what was a good game. The AFL should be ashamed of themselves for putting these people on the park to control a game of professional football. Hold yr heads in shame AFL.

Have to agree with a lot of that.

It wasn't a good look that all three umps were from WA. Mate and I were speculating at the game that since the umpires all have other jobs (I think) none were able to get from Melbourne/Adelaide to Perth on a Thursday night.

 

[Lach72]

I have no love for Carlton, but some of those decisions were disgraceful.The two 50m penalties to the Eagles both resulted in goals and weren't there. The free against Joseph wasn't there either (Darling stripped him of the ball). That was a gift goal too. It isn't good enough, and there is bias in Perth. Needs to be addressed.

To one team in Perth you mean.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Also, the free kick count is misleading. West Coast kicked it out of bounds on the full 4 or 5 times. That counts as a free for.

Carlton had just as many OOFs. That counts as a free against.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

West Coast don't control the umpires. Its an AFL issue they need to address.

What West Coast do control however is playing for free kicks.

- Shuey ducked into the tackle twice by dropping his knees and leading with his head.
- Cox tucks is arm back constantly looking for a holding free kick. He got 3 free kicks from this technique.
- Darling embarrassing himself with a head throw back.

They have a culture of playing for the free. About the only player in the team that plays the ball is Priddis. He earns his disposals.

Also, the free kick count is misleading. West Coast kicked it out of bounds on the full 4 or 5 times. That counts as a free for.

I agree with a lot of your post but in regards to the last point, so did Carlton.

 

[scooterselwood]

Also, the free kick count is misleading. West Coast kicked it out of bounds on the full 4 or 5 times. That counts as a free for.

Pretty sure it just counts as a clanger (and a turnover if you like), not a free kick.

My 'proof' is that I can remember at least 3 times that Ablett kicked it OOF against the pies, yet on the stats sheet he's only credited with 1 FA.

 

[Bob Fossil]

I enjoy the noticeable lack of actual examples of these shocking free kicks.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

OotF foesn't count in the free kick counts as far as I am aware

Can honestly say I am bemused by the relative attention on the umpiring after that game.

Saw free kicks missed and paid both ways that were 50/50's

All year we have been hearing from fans that the free kick count is massively in our favour and hence it is bias. Now the free kick count is even, it's still bias. (FWIW the free kick count is irrelevant IMO)

I honestly think it's got to a point now where people sit there waiting for to be upset by it, with their minds already made up. So as soon as they see a soft free kick go our way it's all of a sudden an armchair ride, while subconciously ignoring the ones that go the other way. It's akin to everyone remembering Masten's howlers but forgiving Hurn his.

It's even got to the point where people claim it's having 3 WA umpires - yet ignorig the same bleating that happened against the saints when it was 3 Vic umpires.

 

[Bluelegs]

my blue and gold wang

You should get that checked out.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

I enjoy the noticeable lack of actual examples of these shocking free kicks.

The Joseph one in front of goal is the only example I've seen so far. Haven't seen a proper replay but on the big screen at the ground it looked like his teammate was holding it in.

The Judd 50 is the other one. Not too many saying the initial free kick wasn't there. The 50 looked soft as, but I've seen a suggestion that the ump warned Judd to stay out of it and then he inexplicably went and gave Priddis another elbow. Again, being at the ground you don't get the audio. In any event Cox would have more than likely slotted the goal from where he got the free (though maybe not the way we were kicking)

 

[Bob Fossil]

The 50 metres was terrible. Really really soft. But it does happen.

I'm not sure anyone knows what is happening with holding the ball at the moment. Joseph was probably a little stiff but given the context of the last couple of weeks it was HtB. I think.

 

[Father Jack]

you can do what you bloody well like with your knees, high contact is high contact. headbutting someone in the guts is different.

 

[Agent93]

WCE Home Free Kick Differential: +64
WCE Away Free Kick Differential: +24
WCE in Victoria Free Kick Differential: +11

The big differential games are the Melbourne, Hawthorn, and North games. Melbourne were useless full stop, and North gave away free constantly from poor tackles. Both games West Coast's tackling technique was decidedly better.

Hawthorn might be a different case, however of the +10 difference there, Buddy gave away 7. Most of those were due to careless attack of the player cause by frustration.

I can handle a little natural bias but it is bordering on ridiculous this year. I can't believe I was actually going for Carlton a little bit because of it. Sure it may have only been for 5 minutes, but it's Carlton!

Really? Why? What decisions made you barrack for Carlton?

 

[nsherlock]

I like how you miss all the illegal disposing of the ball by Eagles players in the first half.....

On the Garlett free kick. You're joking, right? Clear free kick every day of the week. Last time I checked you can't hit someone in the head in a marking contest when trying to spoil the ball.

He connected with the ball first.

If you wanted a free kick for head contact fine, but we'll just glaze over the part where judd chipped priddis in the jaw? don't think he felt it but hey...HEAD CONTACT.

 

[Gizza]

At this point it's pretty clear that opposition supporters are just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. Most of their arguments barely make sense and are completely inconsistent.

Apparently it's all the home ground umpiring, yet they complain just as much when we play away from home. Then they complain about how one sided the umpiring is, even when the free kick count is even. When we lose and the free kick count isn't one sided all of a sudden we haven't had a good run with the umps despite some conspiracy that apparently they're trying to get us to win the flag.

It's ridiculous.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Also recognise that West Coast will never ever play a grand final at Subiaco. Sure home town umpiring may cost a team a prelim one day but it will never ever cost anyone a grand final.

Whilst i appreciate the objectivity you put into most of your post - i have to take you up on this one - more often than not, they aren't simply "hometown" umpires.

The hawks game that started it all had 2 Vic / 1 WA umpires, the north game where scott bleated had 1 Vic / 2 WA, the saints game (where the supporters bleated) had 2 vic umpires / 1 WA

Last night had 3 WA umpires and the count was the closest it had been all year - so there's no link to bias from a person's residence?

That of course is just the subi games, the bleating doesn't stop interstate where it is largely Vic umpires.

 

[Gizza]

- Shuey ducked into the tackle twice by dropping his knees and leading with his head.

Both of those high tackles Shuey was on his way up after picking the ball up. Seriously I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here that people think he was ducking. He was freak'n moving upwards, not downwards.

 

[Copernicus]

A West Coast fan trying to bring an 'impartial perspective' into the thread - what a laugh!

You get the rub of the green at Subiaco to a greater extent than any other team does at their home grounds. Now you get to deal with the flak, whether you like it or not. You deserved to win and were the better team on the night but don't tell me the Blues weren't screwed by the umps on multiple occasions.

 

[greenpike]

West Coast don't control the umpires. Its an AFL issue they need to address.

What West Coast do control however is playing for free kicks.

- Shuey ducked into the tackle twice by dropping his knees and leading with his head.
- Cox tucks is arm back constantly looking for a holding free kick. He got 3 free kicks from this technique.
- Darling embarrassing himself with a head throw back.

They have a culture of playing for the free. About the only player in the team that plays the ball is Priddis. He earns his disposals.

Also, the free kick count is misleading. West Coast kicked it out of bounds on the full 4 or 5 times. That counts as a free for.

Too much dumb in one post. Head hurts.

 

[Gambelic]

Jamison chop of the arms that resulted in a goal. Simpson getting hit in the head in Carlton forward 50, no free kick. Garlett chasing down Mastern just outside Carlton forward 50. Darling staging incident, great tackle by Scotland, Darling dropped it like a hot potato after trying to give him the fend off. There's 4.