rancidpants13
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hey, i've been a lot kinder to mcvague since saturday night
i haven't started yet on roos
and i am not feeling particularly negative
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hey, i've been a lot kinder to mcvague since saturday night
i haven't started yet on roos
and i am not feeling particularly negative
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I totally agree and I can assure you that on this occassion I was not having a go at you and that I thought that in general you were positive in some of the posts of yours I have read since the game
Whilst I do agree with some of the sentiments expressed by others I don't think its as bad as they make out
Maybe its not the game plan that is letting us down but instead a lower skill level and also a reduced output by some (which should be expected)
Worse case scenario could be that if we have a bad start to the year it might encourage us to speed up the rebuilding process
I honestly don't care where we come as long as the players give their best
I am not about to slit my wrists - or even write the season off on the basis of one game. But it was a pretty terrible effort all round, and a horrible "spectacle" to watch.
I think I'm getting more pissed off now that we didn't win the darn thing than I was at 10.30 on Satdee night. Despite that woeful first quarter, when they didn't look like even getting it inside the forward 50, let alone have a shot on goal, they more than matched the Saints for the rest of the game.
And yes, the tactics and defensiveness of the game made it hard to score, but where was the desperation in the last 5 minutes when the game was there for the winning? Barely any of them out there showed any.
At least in the second half of round 1 last year they kinda made up for the appalling start to the game but busting a gut to try and snatch a win. I just didn't sense any of that this weekend. Roos has come out and questioned Goodes' workrate, quite fairly. But I think there are another dozen - at least - players who he could reasonably pose the same question to.
I think I'm getting more pissed off now that we didn't win the darn thing than I was at 10.30 on Satdee night. Despite that woeful first quarter, when they didn't look like even getting it inside the forward 50, let alone have a shot on goal, they more than matched the Saints for the rest of the game.
And yes, the tactics and defensiveness of the game made it hard to score, but where was the desperation in the last 5 minutes when the game was there for the winning? Barely any of them out there showed any.
At least in the second half of round 1 last year they kinda made up for the appalling start to the game but busting a gut to try and snatch a win. I just didn't sense any of that this weekend. Roos has come out and questioned Goodes' workrate, quite fairly. But I think there are another dozen - at least - players who he could reasonably pose the same question to.
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Roos might have won you a premiership but FFS how boring can he make this game become??
Kicking 6 goals apiece in a game of football is a joke. I couldnt stand watching footy like that every week.
Kicking 6 goals apiece in a game of football is a joke. I couldnt stand watching footy like that every week.
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Roos might have won you a premiership but FFS how boring can he make this game become??
Kicking 6 goals apiece in a game of football is a joke. I couldnt stand watching footy like that every week.
To be fair though that was the worst case of flooding ive ever seen. Its not like those soort of games happen every week.
All teams look at whatever ways to defeat their opposition so let us not kid ourselves that these sort of tactics will be used against the Swans. Instating the obvious it's up to Paul Roos and his assistants to find a way to combat this sort of play. Recently I viewed a dvd on the Swans 2003 season where the players played on and took risks, kicking to contests, run and carry, support play, kicking decent scores etc, etc,. Maybe the coaching staff could look at it and pick up some old/new ideas.
Still let's put things into perspective it's only round 1, 21 still to go. We don't have to "slit" our throats yet.
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In the first quarter Stkilda were the team that set a new "high water mark" for the flood.
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In a way the negatives of skill, low work rates, poor start etc are positives in that despite all this stuff we still should of won.
I'm not slitting my wrists but trying to be positive in that even despite of what I reckon were a lot of positives, should the worst case scenario of a poor start to the season eventuate, then it could be a positive in the long term with more youngsters being blooded
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It doesn't happen every week. It only happens against your mob and the saints. So there is an argument that all three teams are guilty.
That is so true. It was a snooze fest on Saturday night, and so was it last time we played them at Telstra Stadium
A terrible terrible way to start the season. However, we can only hope for it to get better and the chances are very high. Port Adelaide games are usually quite exciting. The last time they played here was last year, it was great to watch as compared to the week before where we lost to the Kangaroos.
we need the plan we used against hawthorn at the end of last year,we don't have to do it all the time just as a change up to surprise the opposition.
I agree 100%. It would be great to see the Swans doing our usual flooding and chipping around and then suddenly for no apparent reason they go into quick and free flowing mode, then 2 minutes later they are back to normal, then afew minutes later back to fast and free flowing
I agree 100%. It would be great to see the Swans doing our usual flooding and chipping around and then suddenly for no apparent reason they go into quick and free flowing mode, then 2 minutes later they are back to normal, then afew minutes later back to fast and free flowing
If you watch games from 2003, that is exactly what happened in most games, though the intervals of "hold" and "attack" lasted more than a couple of minutes. It was this that was labelled "tempo footy", though that term is still thrown around to describe lots of stuff that isn't really tempo footy at all.
I reckon it was Maxfield - makes sense, since he was captain - who predominantly chose when the "attack" phases were to start because they were very often signalled by a sudden lift in speed, or a charge through the middle, from him. And the rest of the team seemed to pick the cue straight away and follow suit.
Yes tempo footy has become one speed.
Wish they would play on more and take a chance.
Wish they would play on more and take a chance.
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One of my biggest complaints and frustrations when watching the Swans is how very bloody slowly they take the kick in after a behind. Repeatedly on Saturday when the Saints had the kick in, it was taken quickly so that they had free players and before you knew it, the ball was approaching their 50. When they missed the goal and it was our turn to kick it in, we stood and waited for everyone to get into position, allowing the opposition time to man up, making it 1000000 times harder to get it up field.
We have never changed our kick in style from when the rule changed and I have found it so damned frustrating and with the amount of points kicked on Saturday, it really highlighted it to me.
We have never changed our kick in style from when the rule changed and I have found it so damned frustrating and with the amount of points kicked on Saturday, it really highlighted it to me.
good post,love the new rule.
does anybody else reckon roos is becoming very stubbon,kick in's,now a shit game plan,too many games for mchack
rancidpants13
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yep, a lot of our play now seems to depend a lot on waiting
and the fundamental problem with waiting is that it allows the other team to work out exactly what we're doing and countering it
it worked in 05 when no one really knew what we were doing, or in fact that that was what we were doing
but now it's so old hat that we just get slagged off for it AND it doesn't work
kick-ins, free kicks and marks around the ground, especially anywhere near our attacking zone
it's just frustrating and self-defeating
i couldn't agree with you more. It is simpy POOR coaching when the same problems keep on happening against the same teams. Before the game started, I prayed to see a change in game tactics, but that was quickly shattered.
If the game against the Saints is anything to go by, then I might as well watch a replay of our last game of 07 when we play Collingwood.
Perhaps we need to loosen the reigns so that every kick is not as crucial? It's rare to go close to winning kicking a rubbish percentage like 6-13. But we lost by two points to the raging favourite in a round one fixture we almost never win so I'm not going to get too down on the boys just yet.
The problem is not the gameplan. It's an execution issue and it has been for a couple of years now. In 2004 and on into 2005 we were one of the most accurate kicking sides in footy. But with the limited chances our style creates we were still mostly only winning games kicking something like 15-9. It's a style that leaves little room for error and makes every set shot a crucial one.
Last year on top of the goal kicking woes our intensity dropped whilst almost every other team lifted theirs and we fell off the pace. But on the weekend I saw some of that old pressure and intensity was back which was a positive sign.
The problem is not the gameplan. It's an execution issue and it has been for a couple of years now. In 2004 and on into 2005 we were one of the most accurate kicking sides in footy. But with the limited chances our style creates we were still mostly only winning games kicking something like 15-9. It's a style that leaves little room for error and makes every set shot a crucial one.
Last year on top of the goal kicking woes our intensity dropped whilst almost every other team lifted theirs and we fell off the pace. But on the weekend I saw some of that old pressure and intensity was back which was a positive sign.
A Gameplan that creates limited opportunities for our forwards is a gameplan that needs reworking.
When a gameplan that becomes ineffective against the teams that notoriously are able to meet the challenges of that gameplan, then as the coach the onus is on you to change the gameplan. And it is just a case of bad coaching if this is overlooked.
Don't be lulled into a state of comfort simply because we got so close to the saints. It is the way we played, that is damning. Kicking less than 50 pts in the Dome is unheard of.
On larger grounds, or against weaker opposition we are still capable of huge scores and have kicked many high scores in the last two seasons. What you have to remember is that our gameplan was developed specifically to combat high scoring sides that we struggle to match. And it works. Brilliantly. But if we only kick 31% I don't care what Plan we're using it won't be competitive in the long run with quality sides.
Looking at the Saints game specifically is also slightly misleading. We played a team that was flooding heavily as well, and this is being overlooked by some.
Looking at the Saints game specifically is also slightly misleading. We played a team that was flooding heavily as well, and this is being overlooked by some.
The gameplan is largely predicated by the "cattle". (strengths & weaknesses)
Against any team that has dangerous forwards then Swans will create stoppage and flood back)
Geelong has dangerous forwards excellent backs and fast midfield and good rucks.... that is why they can take risks and run.... the only team that doesn't flood often!
The only thing that will change the SWANS well drilled GP is getting a solid backline and faster midfield ( which they seem to be trying to inject)
- Very dangerous forward line
- Very undersized backline
- Midfield relatively slow but excellent tacklers and can win hard ball
- Strong rucks when both on park
- One extremely agile big midfielder
Against any team that has dangerous forwards then Swans will create stoppage and flood back)
Geelong has dangerous forwards excellent backs and fast midfield and good rucks.... that is why they can take risks and run.... the only team that doesn't flood often!
The only thing that will change the SWANS well drilled GP is getting a solid backline and faster midfield ( which they seem to be trying to inject)
the sooner he goes the betterThis one, I hear.
From his performance on Saturday night, I really wouldn't mind if he did do..
JF
I am actually disagreeing with that, Jude Bolton may not be doing the right thing disagreeing with the coaching staff but he needs to try and make things change when everything isn't going to plan.
That's why experienced players are in sides not just rookies, yes even Hawthorn have some experienced players to guide players and help the coaches.
I reckon when the flood occurs, Hall should run straight down the gut of the fifty no doubt having someone behind him and someone cutting him of from the side and getting him to run directly out of the fifty and maybe an extra fifteen meters outside fifty, if they follow their should be an open path down the centre, then Micky O' runs to one of the wings and then it will leave more space.
The point is, our key forwards in this situation aren't involved in the play, they are half the issue of the flood. If they allow half our forwards to leave the fifty and they stay inside the fifty then we can hand it to someone to run and kick from fifty five.
Nick Davis being removed was a shocking decsion, he is a selfish player at times, but I didn't see too many other players stepping up, he is a villian or a hero.
But he should be placed in the midfield at stages when the flood is occuring, as I feel he is the biggest and most accurate kick in our side. On the run, and definetely from set shot.
Put the knifes down boys and girls, in a couple of weeks Nick Malcheski will be back and he will help with the run from the backs.
As we looked increidbly slow at some stages throughout that match. And LRT looked one of the slowest.
-The professional.
PS: He else thought Heath Grundy was looking really good and was one of our best players in that game? I did, I had him in my dreamteam!
