Welcome Welcome to Freo Murphy Reid - pick 17 of the 2024 Draft

[Joose]

Going back on history virtually all the pundits had this bloke rated much higher than where we selected him.

Could he be, dare I say it, the steal of the draft?

 

[Joao]

Going back on history virtually all the pundits had this bloke rated much higher than where we selected him.

Could he be, dare I say it, the steal of the draft?

I'm pretty bullish, but sliders tend to slide for a reason. With Reid I am just putting it down to the 7-17 part of the draft being very even as that is consistent with the reports on this draft.

 

[Ge3ks]

Maybe he slid because he didn't test at the combine due to injury.

 

[Bennellongtime]

It looks like market rate was a future first

Would hawks future first get the deal done? Don't think we'd part with our one with it likely to be top 5.

 

[Joao]

Maybe he slid because he didn't test at the combine due to injury.

Could be. Especially if it is close and the other players did test.

 

[Dale147]

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Would hawks future first get the deal done? Don't think we'd part with our one with it likely to be top 5.

Doesn't look like it would have given North were offering their future first to everyone with no takers. It was an extremely expensive first round to buy into with futures

 

[apuchar]

Kinda confused though reading through the posts here, his write up says he has speed to burn, he certainly doesn’t look slow in the highlights video, yet few people here keep saying he’s a “slow inside mid” or has a “questionable pace”. Am I missing something here?

Looks like a good pick to me

Rookie me central had his speed as below average. Maybe it came from there. He doesn't look slow and he positively glides across the ground.

 

[Joao]

Probably towing the line to some extent, but Montagna saying "Fremantle absolutely ecstatic to get Murphy Reid. They rate him really highly" on the broadcast is encouraging.

 

[Boomer93]

He’s not quick, even admitted to doing specialist sprint training in off season. 20m times are not relevant, I wish they’d stop measuring it, you want to know top speed, not standing start to 20m. top speed over 30-40 would be ideal. Who can run down the wing and not be worried about chase down pressure? Who can zig zag run like Butters to evade chasers while still looking up and assessing options.

What man, tell me you haven't played footy with out telling me you haven't played footy. The first 20m is BY FAR the most important factor when it comes to pace in football. Everything beyond 20m is pretty rare. It's all about breaking out of congestion and taking the kick, it's very rare that someone breaks out of congestion and goes and takes a bounce. You just want them to get clear enough to take their kick, the bounce and running another 10m is hardly the important part.

Breaking away from tacklers, making and chasing leads, tackling pressure. This is all far more important elements than the very rare sprint down the wing taking 2 or 3 bounces.

 

[Ge3ks]

Sounds like if Berry and Allan were still on the board, we still would have taken Reid.

Imagine the melts though. Port and WC did us a favour.

 

[apuchar]

Pendlebury esq…

Does he basketball?

Yes, apparently.

 

[Alfonz]

Kinda confused though reading through the posts here, his write up says he has speed to burn, he certainly doesn’t look slow in the highlights video, yet few people here keep saying he’s a “slow inside mid” or has a “questionable pace”. Am I missing something here?

Looks like a good pick to me

The confusion is because there are multiple write ups which say conflicting things about his speed. The "speed to burn" comes from Shifter who pumps everybody's tyres up as if they are GAJ. Then there's some such as Twomey and Herald Sun who don't refer to it as a weakness nor strength. While others (e.g. ESPN, Rookieme) question it.

I think a lot of people use Rookieme as their main source, and they have red flagged his speed in their draft guide (in terms of those graphics with the red/yellow/green/purple highlights), yet if you delve into their profile they say "not quite elite" and "nearly pipped the 3 second mark", which doesn't mesh with their red label. So even on a single website there is conflicting information.

This confusion is then compounded by his athletic testing, where he apparently has 3 x 20m sprints on record (but not the official combine where he was injured) and they ranged from very quick (2.95) to quick (3.02) to downright slow (3.22).

After watching all the vision, it doesn't seem a big issue to me. He doesn't have "speed to burn" (i.e. Bolton/Switta speed), but I would put him in Brayshaw territory for example.

Rookieme mentions his lack of defensive effort (tackling, chasing, transition running) as a weakness. I don't see it mentioned anywhere else, but if this is true, it could be a large reason he was down the pecking order for the small mids. I think it would be common for playmakers to not worry too much about defending (e.g. Daicos, Sidebottom). So it might not be an issue, but he needs to be an elite playmaker. Otherwise you might get a Parish type who can be a liability for Essendon without the ball.

 

[apuchar]

Might be why JL mentioned he need to improve his endurance, so he can run both ways a bit more. His highlights and more extended plays seem to show him chasing and tackling a fair bit. Does seem to lack a little body strength in the tackle though. Understandable.

 

[Joao]

3s 20m is absolutely fine for a mid or even a small forward as long as they bring stuff other than pressure, which he does. Even in the highlights he seems to move just fine.

If the plan is to play him forward, I think his more pressing concern is the defensive stuff if the true. Our last pick 17 with forward craft took 6 seasons to get the 30 games because he didn't chase hard enough (and was injured a lot to be fair).

 

[arsesmart]

Can’t get ‘Murph And The Magic Tones’ out of my head!

When, when, when.

 

[Tonga Bob]

There seems to be a confusion on the player he is going to be for the first 5 years. He is competing with Banfield for a spot for the foreseeable future.

Poor bloke won't stand a chance!*



* before you all come at me with pitchforks, this is a joke which the buddy of a player is legally obligated to make.

 

[Eski3]

The confusion is because there are multiple write ups which say conflicting things about his speed. The "speed to burn" comes from Shifter who pumps everybody's tyres up as if they are GAJ. Then there's some such as Twomey and Herald Sun who don't refer to it as a weakness nor strength. While others (e.g. ESPN, Rookieme) question it.

I think a lot of people use Rookieme as their main source, and they have red flagged his speed in their draft guide (in terms of those graphics with the red/yellow/green/purple highlights), yet if you delve into their profile they say "not quite elite" and "nearly pipped the 3 second mark", which doesn't mesh with their red label. So even on a single website there is conflicting information.

This confusion is then compounded by his athletic testing, where he apparently has 3 x 20m sprints on record (but not the official combine where he was injured) and they ranged from very quick (2.95) to quick (3.02) to downright slow (3.22).

After watching all the vision, it doesn't seem a big issue to me. He doesn't have "speed to burn" (i.e. Bolton/Switta speed), but I would put him in Brayshaw territory for example.

Rookieme mentions his lack of defensive effort (tackling, chasing, transition running) as a weakness. I don't see it mentioned anywhere else, but if this is true, it could be a large reason he was down the pecking order for the small mids. I think it would be common for playmakers to not worry too much about defending (e.g. Daicos, Sidebottom). So it might not be an issue, but he needs to be an elite playmaker. Otherwise you might get a Parish type who can be a liability for Essendon without the ball.

I think his missing of the combine throws out a lot of those metrics, so those draft watchers have to go by the "eye test" from the games rather than actual stats. He certainly doesn't look slow in his videos

 

[Paracleet]

Pendlebury esq…

Does he basketball?

 

[Wizard]

Sounds like if Berry and Allan were still on the board, we still would have taken Reid.

Imagine the melts though. Port and WC did us a favour.

Even if that isn't true of course the club will imply that, so it really is empty talk at this point.

Also, i don't get the carry on about his reaction either. It really was nothing out of the ordinary IMO and i actually thought his parents were really positive about it all so i'm taking the response here as a massive overreaction.

 

[gungho]

There seems to be a confusion on the player he is going to be for the first 5 years. He is competing with Banfield, Sturt, Switta, Freddy, JOM, Walters and Simpson for a spot for the foreseeable future.

Just like that worked for Erasmus and Johnson. Half forward is called the graveyard position and one of the hardest places to play for a reason. With the exception of JOM and banfield, all of the players listed above spent a majority of their junior years forward and then spent years perfecting the craft at AFL level. You don’t plug a first year midfielder there.

 

[Taylor]

You can stick them at half back if they are smart, use it well and can dodge traffic. He will win a rising star doing that though, which will be problematic since his profile will go through the roof.

 

[Paracleet]

You can stick them at half back if they are smart, use it well and can dodge traffic. He will win a rising star doing that though, which will be problematic since his profile will go through the roof.

He's just as likely to start at half back for us as half forward I agree. Might even get stuck there a bit in the WAFL to help round out his education (I.E. Accountability).

 

[gungho]

The confusion is because there are multiple write ups which say conflicting things about his speed. The "speed to burn" comes from Shifter who pumps everybody's tyres up as if they are GAJ. Then there's some such as Twomey and Herald Sun who don't refer to it as a weakness nor strength. While others (e.g. ESPN, Rookieme) question it.

I think a lot of people use Rookieme as their main source, and they have red flagged his speed in their draft guide (in terms of those graphics with the red/yellow/green/purple highlights), yet if you delve into their profile they say "not quite elite" and "nearly pipped the 3 second mark", which doesn't mesh with their red label. So even on a single website there is conflicting information.

This confusion is then compounded by his athletic testing, where he apparently has 3 x 20m sprints on record (but not the official combine where he was injured) and they ranged from very quick (2.95) to quick (3.02) to downright slow (3.22).

After watching all the vision, it doesn't seem a big issue to me. He doesn't have "speed to burn" (i.e. Bolton/Switta speed), but I would put him in Brayshaw territory for example.

Rookieme mentions his lack of defensive effort (tackling, chasing, transition running) as a weakness. I don't see it mentioned anywhere else, but if this is true, it could be a large reason he was down the pecking order for the small mids. I think it would be common for playmakers to not worry too much about defending (e.g. Daicos, Sidebottom). So it might not be an issue, but he needs to be an elite playmaker. Otherwise you might get a Parish type who can be a liability for Essendon without the ball.

Brayshaw is really quick. Easily faster than serong, young, Fyfe and JOM. Would be happy if he possessed that kind of speed.

 

[Paracleet]

I think someone has already mentioned this but I reckon they will put 16 on him unless he prefers 15, 18 or 20.