Welcome Welcome to Hawthorn : Jack Ginnivan!

[Ned Ryerson]

What's the consequences of breaking the mandated leave? Could the club be additionally liable for training injuries etc? If so - makes perfect sense that we are letting him have the leave he has earned. Who knows - the kid might be at the club doing club induction, video sessions etc.

 

[suedehead]

This is the biggest non-story ever. He played a month longer than everyone else on the list and is entitled to a break.

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[cryptor]

He’s been training hard in his own time too.

The only thing he owes the club is to be in good condition when he is due back. No reason to think that won’t be the case.

 

[Platten44]

He is due back 4 December but sounds like he will start on Monday.

 

[mknaven]

He’s been training hard in his own time too.

The only thing he owes the club is to be in good condition when he is due back. No reason to think that won’t be the case.

Yea - previous posts highlight that he's been doing training, so whilst Cornes is talking perception and appearances, if he's already putting in the work, who cares.

It did prompt me to think of Butler though and the work he's put in w/ Bennetts & JOS having a season under their belts, Ginni coming in and the spectre of Watson.

 

[Changa10]

Found this on the AFLPA Website (Below text copied from their PDF version of the 2023-2027 Bargaining Agreement):

6.1 Post Season Leave
(a) AFL

(i) An AFL Player will be entitled to Leave between their Club’s Season Conclusion Date and Recommencement Date (Post Season Leave).

(ii) A Club’s Season Conclusion Date will be the Tuesday after the Club’s final Match of the AFL Season, except that:
(A) if the Club provides AFL Players days off on the Monday and Tuesday following its final AFL Match, then the Season Conclusion Date may be the Wednesday after the final Match;
(B) if a Club wins the Grand Final, the Season Conclusion Date may be the Wednesday after the Grand Final;
(C) if a Club used reasonable endeavours to complete individual medical screenings and follow up activities prior to the Season Conclusion 85 Date but was unable to do so, AFL Players may be required to attend for such reasonable activities after the Season Conclusion Date; and
(D) AFL Players may be required to attend the Club’s AFL Best and Fairest, which will be scheduled no later than the weekend following the AFL Grand Final.

(iii) In each year, the Recommencement Date will be as follows, provided that there is no material change to the end date of the AFL Season:

(A) the Recommencement Date for Clubs that did not participate in the AFL Finals Series will not be prior to the last Monday in November;

(B) the Recommencement Date for Clubs that participated in the AFL Finals Series will not be prior to the first Monday in December;

(C) a Club may require AFL Players with four or less years on an AFL List to return for off-field player development activities two weeks prior to its Recommencement Date where the Club did not participate in the AFL Finals Series;

(D) a Club may require AFL Players with four or less years on an AFL List to return for off-field player development activities one week prior to its Recommencement Date where the Club participated in the AFL Finals Series;

(E) Clubs, acting reasonably, may request attendance at training of specific AFL Players with five or more years on an AFL List who, in the reasonable opinion of the Club, have performance, fitness, treatment and/or development needs such that they should resume training earlier than the applicable Recommencement Date, provided that such AFL Players have agreed to return earlier than the applicable Recommencement Date and AFL and AFLPA have both approved the earlier return; and

(F) each AFL Player will receive a minimum of six weeks Leave prior to the Recommencement Date.

(G) In the event that there is a material change to the end date of the AFL Season, the Parties will discuss a reasonable change to the Recommencement Dates.

I assume because Ginnivan & Stephens went to North & Hawks they are covered moreso by Point F?

Also, I think there is a typo in their Point A, and that it should read "not prior to the first Monday in November".

Stephens - Sydney's last game was Sept 8, Conclusion date Tuesday Sept 12. 6 weeks leave gets him to Tuesday October 24th.
Ginnivan - GF was September 30, conclusion date is Wednesday October 4. 6 weeks leave gets him to Wednesday November 15.

Seems to me that Cornes needs to brush up on his facts, before opening his big mouth.

 

[peetoo]

Get Cornes point, but he didn’t bother to even get a top view of what’s happening. Slack

 

[TylerDurden]

He's gonna be a walking headline. Sure can draw attention the kid.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

i mean fair enough Cornes is allowed to say that he is personally disappointed. but if the coaches and teammates arent then who really gives a **** what Kaneo thinks?

 

[Colloquy]

“Needed to be there”: Cornes disappointed by Ginnivan’s absence at Hawks pre-season

“Jack Ginnivan needed to be at his new club on day one of pre-season.”

www.sen.com.au

I think Cornes has a point here. Wonder if Mitchell has prompted Cornes to send a message?

I agree also the kid is only 20 should be back early.

 

[threesixpio]

If having the mandated break is going to allow him to refresh and be at his best for tackling the upcoming season, then it’s all good.

Cornes’s Corneas need coordinating

Ffs

 

[offtherails9]

Yeah this kinda shits me tbh. Shouldn't get sucked in to someone like Cornes but the guy finished so much later than our boys, and he's been putting in the work away too. Absolute nothing story

 

[HawthornHawk]

Would have just been a relatively easy PR win for Jack to turn up with the rest of the group for day one, i'm pretty surprised he didn't.

 

[TassieGrown]

Wow, that must be some sort of record for how early for Cornes to get stuck into someone at a new club.

Surely a PB

 

[Bugs1977]

 

[Hawkspot]

Little bit extra motivation for both him and the other boys.

He worked 5 weeks longer than anyone on our list, coming in a week or so later is more than fair. Burning a 20 year out before he’s even started his 4 year contract would be stupid.

 

[JoeHawk]

Slow news day. Would have been nice if he was there, but given that it wasn't mandatory and the coaches are fine with it, then who really cares. Kornes just look for a story to justify his salary.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Ginni isn't breaking any club protocols or rules, just taking some time off as it's his right. He won't be fooling anyone once he gets back, will have to train hard and get himself extremely fit by round one just like his teammates. Nothing in it for me, move on.

 

[matey]

Thought I saw a pic the other week with Ginnivan doing a running session with a running coach …… Cornes probably chose to ignore that one didn’t he. He just has it with certain players/coaches. At the moment it sounds like Ginnivan could be in that group. But Cornes does change Hawks were woeful not long ago but Mitchell has won him over in recent times.

 

[The Chad and I]

Being early is good if that's what you think is right for you.
You know what isn't good? Burnout, fatigue, injury.

 

[CD Xbow]

i mean fair enough Cornes is allowed to say that he is personally disappointed. but if the coaches and teammates arent then who really gives a * what Kaneo thinks?

Rule number 7 of a happy life - Ignore everything Kane Cornes says.

 

[Kuuz]

Cornes proving that there's no need to let petty things like facts and truth, get in the way of a good soundbite.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

 

[Holy Rioli]

Stephens didn't play in the GF.
Has a fair bit to prove too after taking on very good money as a likely fringe player.

the point is, Ginny could have turned up to day 1 of our preseason if he wanted to, and out of all the players who didn't across all clubs, he's the only one singled out by Cornes. As I said, I wouldn't be surprised if Mitchell asked Cornes to send a message.

 

[CaptainWorpedo]

Good work Sammy!