Ultimate Glory Welcome to Hawthorn, Jaeger O'Meara

[HODGEYROAD]

I'm praying that a lot of Jaeger's movement issues are mental and him having limited confidence in his body in match situations.

 

[Leather Poisoning]

God the hysteria about the JOM trade is giving me the shits.

If, on bigfooty, we had proposed a trade like: First round pick (likely top 10) + Schoenmakers (pick 16) + Shiels (pick 34)+ Sicily (pick 56) for O'Meara everyone would be like "OH LOL CANT JUST PILE UP A BUNCH OF DUDS FOR A SUPERSTAR"

But oh no - you package up a future first round (likely top 10 pick) + a future second (likely 20-30) + 23 + 36 it's the worst trade in history.

 

[Beandip]

I was for Getting Jaeger at the time, I was not for giving up Mitchell and Lewis for peanuts though.

I'm curious as to what you actually think these two are worth?

Mitchell was (is) a legendary player, but he is 34! That may as well be 80 for a midfielder; cliffs come quickly, just look at Gibson. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Mitch, but we did him a favour getting a foot in the door at WCE, and he did us a favour freeing up a spot in the midfield and hastening our rebuild. No one would ever give up a pic remotely close to what we valued Mitch at - take the emotion out and a 4th odd round pick for a 34yo isn't bad.

Lewis, I think stopped having impact a couple of years ago, he played a role and added some value, but in my eyes he rarely influenced games anymore, and he to would have taken up a midfield spot during a rebuild, he was moving to/on Hawthorn's 1-year contracts, and secured 3 years on big money... why wouldn't he take it, and how could we begrudge him? Take the emotion out, over 30, very slow in a two-way running world, maybe a 3rd rounder?

In both instances, I saw it as the family club taking well unders because it was what was best for the individual in the short-term, and the club in the long-term.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I'm curious as to what you actually think these two are worth?

Mitchell was (is) a legendary player, but he is 34! That may as well be 80 for a midfielder; cliffs come quickly, just look at Gibson. I will always have a soft spot in my heart for Mitch, but we did him a favour getting a foot in the door at WCE, and he did us a favour freeing up a spot in the midfield and hastening our rebuild. No one would ever give up a pic remotely close to what we valued Mitch at - take the emotion out and a 4th odd round pick for a 34yo isn't bad.

Lewis, I think stopped having impact a couple of years ago, he played a role and added some value, but in my eyes he rarely influenced games anymore, and he to would have taken up a midfield spot during a rebuild, he was moving to/on Hawthorn's 1-year contracts, and secured 3 years on big money... why wouldn't he take it, and how could we begrudge him? Take the emotion out, over 30, very slow in a two-way running world, maybe a 3rd rounder?

In both instances, I saw it as the family club taking well unders because it was what was best for the individual in the short-term, and the club in the long-term.

Your missing the point they weren't worth anything on the trade table hence no point trading them, as we have seen this year also its not like they were taking game time away from quality young mids we had waiting in the wings.

I totally understand the benefit for those two leaving for them personally and don't hold any grudges against them, I just don't see what we gain from it other than cap space, and we will have no appeal to players at seasons end to use that space anyways.

 

[Hawthorn United]

They are?

I've only seen people say that he's been doing full training, or that he has looked good, unhindered etc.....

Geezus he bloody trained he did everything out there with the rest of the blokes and then he was coming off i spoke to him about playing and he wanted to play but has been overruled by the fitness staff. Give it a rest mate.

Jaeger is moving fine. Recovered fully from the knee knock. Has put in a super preseason and is well ahead of schedule.
Latest knock caused some bruising and swelling.
Last piece of the puzzle is load kicking.

Patience people. Knees are complex.

We have ourselves a high quality young mid that has had a long time out of the game. No one is telling lies. The verdict was a "play it safe" call.

Stop jumping at shadows.

so what you are saying is you don't believe any of the posters went to training this week and saw him moving freely and participating fully in all training activities?
Or that Jaeger said he wanted to play this week but the club was taking the cautious approach at this early stage?

These are just from the past 2 weeks and I know there's more from Pre-season, but they aren't as relevant now with the latest knock.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

God the hysteria about the JOM trade is giving me the shits.

If, on bigfooty, we had proposed a trade like: First round pick (likely top 10) + Schoenmakers (pick 16) + Shiels (pick 34)+ Sicily (pick 56) for O'Meara everyone would be like "OH LOL CANT JUST PILE UP A BUNCH OF DUDS FOR A SUPERSTAR"

But oh no - you package up a future first round (likely top 10 pick) + a future second (likely 20-30) + 23 + 36 it's the worst trade in history.

Likely top 3 and Likely 19-21.

 

[Gralin]

These are just from the past 2 weeks and I know there's more from Pre-season, but they aren't as relevant now with the latest knock.

what latest knock? those posts were after the GCS game and before the Saints game

 

[Mr Lizard]

These are just from the past 2 weeks...

...and they all back up Abasi's post; no "koolaid" to be found.

 

[Hawthorn United]

what latest knock? those posts were after the GCS game and before the Saints game

That's what I meant. The preseason training reports aren't relevant to the GCS knock he picked up.

 

[Hawthorn United]

...and they all back up Abasi's post; no "koolaid" to be found.

So during the week at training he's doing everything the others are, moving freely and has no issues.

But on the weekend he's not as fit, he's restricted, etc.

That's my point.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

These are just from the past 2 weeks and I know there's more from Pre-season, but they aren't as relevant now with the latest knock.

Where are the posts saying how elite he looks?

All they were saying was that he was training fully, and unhindered.

 

[Hawthorn United]

Where are the posts saying how elite he looks?

All they were saying was that he was training fully, and unhindered.

I didn't want to go through the Preseason training reports as those are bit dated now but here.

Point is that his training reports and what we're actually seeing on the park on weekends are very far apart.

I want to talk about Jaeger first because that's who you are all waiting to hear about. All I can say is that I can see zero reason why he won't be playing from very early on in the season. He is doing everything the others were dong in terms of match type drills (6 on 6) and only went to jogging and walking laps with Tom Mitchell and Poppy after all of the ball work was done and dusted. He doesn't look like he is holding back at all and definitely showed brief flashes of class during the drills including a lovely one handed pick up at full steam and 30m pin point delivery to a team mate without breaking stride.

Tackling drills and core strength were a real focus today with two separate sessions approximately an hour apart. These sessions involved the players partnering up with one starting on the ground with the ball and the other holding him down. Objective of the player with the ball was to retain the ball and get to his feet, object of opponent was to keep them down and strip them of the ball. This was intense stuff. Haven’t heard that much grunting and groaning since Monica Seles played tennis. Jaeger was partnered up with Tom Mitchell in both sessions and there is no way known that they would be letting Jaegar do stuff like this if his knee was not 100%. The amount of strain on their joints is huge. Incidentally, Tom Mitchell was one of only a couple of players who managed to get to their feet. The guy is a beast. Whitecross was one of the others that manged to get his feet.

On the topic of Jaegar, he was again going full tilt in the match drill and is as classy as it gets.

It's all good. I know where you are coming from. I do get tired of hearing how every team is having their best pre-season ever and this guy is flying and that guy has gone up a level, and how so many houses are being trained down etc. etc. ad nauseum.

Going back to your earlier post, I agree that the best thing about this pre-season is seeing that Jaeger and Tom Mitchell are going full tilt and should be walk up starts for round 1 (or very close to it in Jaegar's case).

During the end to end drills I was impressed by;
O'Meara & Langers - both seemed to end up opposed to each other and had some awesome physical contests. Jaeger fended off once and Langers nailed him another time..this extended to their tackling/wrestling drill where Langers' biggest strength was on show..determined and tough in the clinches. Also Jaeger seems to glide across the ground when he runs end to end and has explosive speed around contests.

 

[Tyrone Time]

So he turns out like Beau Dowler or Mitch Thorp, welcome to draft and trading kids.

FFS, we can't win the flag every year and for every Franklin, Lewis and Roughead there's 50 Xavier Ellis'.

It's not an exact science. We thought we could get another Burgoyne and he's only 4 games into his Hawthorn career.

The hysteria is laughable. If he busts and our first pick turns into Buddy Franklin then just consider it the Richard Tambling karma bus.

But let's wait till he's doing jack shit in 2 years time before we call this our worst trade ever or the other ridiculous commentary.

And Lewis and Mitchell? Still? The haters are loving this shit and some of our own need to let it go. Lewis and Mitchell are gone, we move on.

 

[Gralin]

So during the week at training he's doing everything the others are, moving freely and has no issues.

But on the weekend he's not as fit, he's restricted, etc.

That's my point.

I went to training a couple of weeks ago and saw him doing all the drills, was moving fine

But training isn't games, and we've seen just about everyone perform poorly in Jaeger's last two games

 

[Tyrone Time]

I went to training a couple of weeks ago and saw him doing all the drills, was moving fine

But training isn't games, and we've seen just about everyone perform poorly in Jaeger's last two games

Yet drop Ty Vickery and Ricky Henderson and blast a kid that has played 4 games for the club.

Makes sense right?

 

[Hawthorn United]

I went to training a couple of weeks ago and saw him doing all the drills, was moving fine

But training isn't games, and we've seen just about everyone perform poorly in Jaeger's last two games

Agree there. There's obviously something that isn't right, so I hope the club and Jaegar can work on it and he can finish the year strongly.

 

[B&GBlood]

if the club knew this is how we would perform this year the trade would not have been done simple we well and truly over paid . Possibly a player and second round pick would of been offered instead. Atm he is not even close to being the player we hoped, i do believe he will be a very good player because of the footy he has missed but wont reach that elite level . Footy moves quick these days evident by our ladder position sydney and kangas to a point. Surely there isnt one supporter on here that can feel comfortable with what we gave up ?

I am comfortable

 

[Fetnarr]

I am comfortable

I'm very comfortable.

 

[cyrilicious]

we gave up peanuts for a once in a generation player

for all the murphys gibbs watts kreuzers scullys that are picked up as high draft picks, none are near as good as JOM

 

[beta_condition]

if the club knew this is how we would perform this year the trade would not have been done simple we well and truly over paid . Possibly a player and second round pick would of been offered instead. Atm he is not even close to being the player we hoped, i do believe he will be a very good player because of the footy he has missed but wont reach that elite level . Footy moves quick these days evident by our ladder position sydney and kangas to a point. Surely there isnt one supporter on here that can feel comfortable with what we gave up ?

So you were on the board when they made the decision? Hawthorn didn't even plan to have him playing by round 1, any player missing a years football comes back rusty(specially players that don't have a proper preseason). His transition back into footy would be alot easier if he had help from more than just Mitchell.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

we gave up peanuts for a once in a generation player

for all the murphys gibbs watts kreuzers scullys that are picked up as high draft picks, none are near as good as JOM

At the moment thinking he's still going to be that once in a generation player is a very bold call.

 

[Tyrone Time]

At the moment thinking he's still going to be that once in a generation player is a very bold call.

4 games bud.

 

[MrPremiership]

This thread will be a great read in 5-7 years time.

To my future self reading this:

- drink less coffee
- exercise more
- endure these bad times and remember them the next time we win a flag
- there will always be idiots in the world. Remember some idiots on BigFooty were questioning the recruitment of Jaeger O'Meara.

 

[Coathanger]

This thread will be a great read in 5-7 years time.

To my future self reading this:

- drink less coffee
- exercise more
- endure these bad times and remember them the next time we win a flag
- there will always be idiots in the world. Remember some idiots on BigFooty were questioning the recruitment of Jaeger O'Meara.

You are probably correct!
In 5 -7 years he may be doing something positive for us.
See you then.

 

[tige19]

Pretty pathetic that people can be shot down for an opinion, I don't think Hawthorn United is saying anything negative about Jags at all, like all Hawks fans we are creaming our jocks at the thought of him becoming a generational star for the footy club. But like 99% of the footy community there is obvious concern that we may have been sold a lemon, as supporters and members people have every right to ask the question "Did we make the right move? Did we give up to much? Did we lose to much?".

I'm on the JOM bandwagon, I'm happy to see how he progresses with his body and have faith he will be a star and future leader, however the key ingredient is his health. What separated JOM from his peers was his explosiveness and strength to power through tight spaces, if he has lost that he is just another run of the mill midifielder, no better or worst than the Liam Shiels and Ed Curnows of the world, if that acceleration and power returns then we have a bonafide super star who will make Dangerfield look robotic. Time will tell.