Universal Love Welcome to Richmond Adem Yze

[Noidnadroj]

This IS the real world. You realise that?

the same people now idolising a EF loss by 1 point like that means there is an alternate universe where we go on to win 4 finals & win the flag in 2022. The forum induced & endorsed insanity here never ends.

That team was never winning a flag. And in the REAL WORLD we never even won a final. They were inconsistent across 4 quarters. Ill-disciplined. Unliked, entitled & playing a style that was completely redundant. Our club culture was shit. The coach a known poor quality person & the team of assistants he had around him were about 50% of the quality we had in 17-20. The team chemistry was miles off whats needed to win a flag. That team was not a pube of the 17-20 team chemistry we had & thats whats required to win flags. How can u forget what it takes to win a flag in just 2 years? You dont win flags with LESS than what we had in 17-20. And 22 was far less than that period.

We may have been close to winning a EF, but who cares. That team was still miles off winning a flag. Stop living in your own idealistic alternate universe & start taking your own advice about living in the real world

The ‘real world’ I refer to is not just about thinking a flag was coming … it’s about what was realistic at the time.

End of 2022 we’d lost a final by a point. We had a legend of the game returning in 2023 at full fitness. We had Shai Bolton who’d just kicked 45-goals, was AA and was touted as one of the best players in the game. Lynch had just kicked 60-goals and should’ve been AA. We hadn’t lost a game by more than 6-points since R6 etc…

Now let’s say the club agreed with you that a rebuild was required and we were not going to contend. So even though our midfield was ageing, we were not going to trade for a 24yo inside-mid who wanted to come home to Victoria and were going to draft kids? This means our tilt at flags was over. So club says : “Bad luck Jack, Dusty, Lynch, Cotch, Prestia, Vlastuin, Broad, Grimes, Nank, Shorty and so on … we are ignoring Taranto as we need to hit the draft…. your flag hopes are finished. And bad luck Dimma … thanks for the 3 flags but it’s rebuild time.

That’s what I mean by ‘real world’. This conversation and scenario was not remotely viable at the time.

It’s like the Pies taking that path now. The oldest list in the comp with questionable youth, and have just missed the finals. They are older than we were and nowhere near as good in 2024 as we were in 2022.

Do you think it’s viable for the club to go to Pendles, Sidey, Moore, Howe, Elliott, Crisp, Mihocek, Mitchell etc… and say “Bailey Smith wants to come to us, but our flag era is over and we are hitting the draft, so we are not trading for Bailey Smith. We will be taking youth at the draft and will actually be looking to proactively trade out a few players to improve our draft hand”

Do you think it’s viable for the Pies to do that?

I think the Pies list is in trouble, and would be very surprised if they returned to flag contention in 2025. But I also think it’s not a snowflakes chance in hell they’ll begin a rebuild this off-season, as it’s just not a viable option.


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[RJK Tiger]

The ‘real world’ I refer to is not just about thinking a flag was coming … it’s about what was realistic at the time.

End of 2022 we’d lost a final by a point. We had a legend of the game returning in 2023 at full fitness. We had Shai Bolton who’d just kicked 45-goals, was AA and was touted as one of the best players in the game. Lynch had just kicked 60-goals and should’ve been AA. We hadn’t lost a game by more than 6-points since R6 etc…

Now let’s say the club agreed with you that a rebuild was required and we were not going to contend. So even though our midfield was ageing, we were not going to trade for a 24yo inside-mid who wanted to come home to Victoria and were going to draft kids? This means our tilt at flags was over. So club says : “Bad luck Jack, Dusty, Lynch, Cotch, Prestia, Vlastuin, Broad, Grimes, Nank, Shorty and so on … we are ignoring Taranto as we need to hit the draft…. your flag hopes are finished. And bad luck Dimma … thanks for the 3 flags but it’s rebuild time.

That’s what I mean by ‘real world’. This conversation and scenario was not remotely viable at the time.

It’s like the Pies taking that path now. The oldest list in the comp with questionable youth, and have just missed the finals. They are older than we were and nowhere near as good in 2024 as we were in 2022.

Do you think it’s viable for the club to go to Pendles, Sidey, Moore, Howe, Elliott, Crisp, Mihocek, Mitchell etc… and say “Bailey Smith wants to come to us, but our flag era is over and we are hitting the draft, so we are not trading for Bailey Smith. We will be taking youth at the draft and will actually be looking to proactively trade out a few players to improve our draft hand”

Do you think it’s viable for the Pies to do that?

I think the Pies list is in trouble, and would be very surprised if they returned to flag contention in 2025. But I also think it’s not a snowflakes chance in hell they’ll begin a rebuild this off-season, as it’s just not a viable option.


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This is all through your rose coloured glasses tho &, I think, the club were perhaps wearing the same pair.

It was quite clear to a lot of us that the bubble had burst, the culture had changed & the overall standards had dropped.
A person who is not arrogant would understand, with only ONE of these things happening, you are not a legitimate chance to win a flag. We had all 3 happening. To think we could win a flag when we had these, plus several other issues (outdated game plan, aging & body broken list, mass exodus of elite level assistants team etc ) - was arrogant & lacked total self awareness. I said this at the time & so did quite a few others, so it was clearly foreseeable.

People keep going on like losing a EF by a point is some "glass doors" moment between us and our 14th flag. We were miles off it. We finished 7th, 5 wins of 1st place & 3 wins out of the top 4. That is a big difference. The core group was about to get another year older - the signs were right there that it was over. If they needed to prove 2021 wasn't just a down year, then finishing 7th and losing your EF the next year should have been the moment you accept, its probably over. If we rebuild at that exact point, things are quite rosey, especially as we to 5 picks in the top 30 at the draft.

Instead, we traded 2 years of picks to get Taranto & Hopper. Game over

 

[Daka]

Cause West Coast are a club that is going in the right direction..

But good for us. Means Graham definitely says yes and Baker more favourable to go WCE possibly and they have Pick 13 on the table.

We now go to Freo and say Pick 9 and 10 and something else for Bolton and we’ve cleaned up even before we get Pick 6 and change for Rioli.

If McQualter does get the job, bookmark my comment, I bet you Yze will be sacked in a couple of years' time & Eagles will be flourishing under Mini.

 

[tiger_tough]

If McQualter does get the job, bookmark my comment, I bet you Yze will be sacked in a couple of years' time & Eagles will be flourishing under Mini.

Eagles are in a worse position than us. Whoever gets the Eagles job will be cannon fodder due to the size of rebuild required and **** all picks to do it (unlike us). That's why none of the big names went for it. It's career suicide.

 

[RJK Tiger]

If McQualter does get the job, bookmark my comment, I bet you Yze will be sacked in a couple of years' time & Eagles will be flourishing under Mini.

What i find funny about this comment is i don't think for a second you are saying this because you think Mini is awesome at his job = you are saying it because you think things are going THAT BAD for us atm.

"knowing our lack, Mini will get the Eagles job & we'll........"

 

[Daka]

Eagles are in a worse position than us. Whoever gets the Eagles job will be cannon fodder due to the size of rebuild required and **** all picks to do it (unlike us). That's why none of the big names went for it. It's career suicide.

The Eagles beat us this year, And we had more talent on the park in that game.

I think if you look at things objectively we are both in similar positions. time will tell who gets out the otherside of the rebuild in better shape, but I have my doubts it will be us.

 

[Sir_Loin]

If McQualter does get the job, bookmark my comment, I bet you Yze will be sacked in a couple of years' time & Eagles will be flourishing under Mini.

Even if that happens I couldn’t give a shite. We’re rebuilding a list. And we’re trying to do it before another expansion team comes in.

Dimma even said it once. I might be here at the start I might not be here at the end. Not many 10 year coaches going around and imo you need to be judged on that tenure if you’re lucky enough to get there

 

[Bojangles17]

According to Mitch Cleary on Talking Footy, Andrew McQualter is the favourite to coach West Coast & presented very well.
it's coming back to haunt it's coming back to haunt us.

Why he hasn’t started yet , I’m not at all surprised he’s fav and I expect he will do well . Tho I backed him while with us , I still don’t think was right fit going forward we needed fresh eyes

 

[Bojangles17]

The Eagles beat us this year, And we had more talent on the park in that game.

I think if you look at things objectively we are both in similar positions. time will tell who gets out the otherside of the rebuild in better shape, but I have my doubts it will be us.

Ridiculous comment prior to a draft , you have no idea what we ll come out with . Our list is being managed by the same guy that held the reigns thru a dynasty, not Donald Duck so that’s provides comfort we re in good experienced hands

 

[theflea#3]

This is all through your rose coloured glasses tho &, I think, the club were perhaps wearing the same pair.

It was quite clear to a lot of us that the bubble had burst, the culture had changed & the overall standards had dropped.
A person who is not arrogant would understand, with only ONE of these things happening, you are not a legitimate chance to win a flag. We had all 3 happening. To think we could win a flag when we had these, plus several other issues (outdated game plan, aging & body broken list, mass exodus of elite level assistants team etc ) - was arrogant & lacked total self awareness. I said this at the time & so did quite a few others, so it was clearly foreseeable.

People keep going on like losing a EF by a point is some "glass doors" moment between us and our 14th flag. We were miles off it. We finished 7th, 5 wins of 1st place & 3 wins out of the top 4. That is a big difference. The core group was about to get another year older - the signs were right there that it was over. If they needed to prove 2021 wasn't just a down year, then finishing 7th and losing your EF the next year should have been the moment you accept, its probably over. If we rebuild at that exact point, things are quite rosey, especially as we to 5 picks in the top 30 at the draft.

Instead, we traded 2 years of picks to get Taranto & Hopper. Game over

Who would have you selected in lieu of Taranto & Hopper? Fair call to say we butchered those trades but on the flip side interested to see the alternative solution of the players available and if their output would be superior?

 

[tiger_tough]

The Eagles beat us this year, And we had more talent on the park in that game.

I think if you look at things objectively we are both in similar positions. time will tell who gets out the otherside of the rebuild in better shape, but I have my doubts it will be us.

Nah, they're in a worse position than us. They still rely heavily on all their older players. McGovern just won their bnf at 32. Yeo was 2md who's about to turn 31. Cripps was 6th who is 32. Kelly was top 10 who is 30 next season. Barrass was 7th who's crucial and leaving. None of those 5 will be there in 2 years. Then they had Waterman, Duggan, Hugh, Cole and Reid.

We'll fly past them in the rebuild progress with just this one draft coming up. They're still going to get alot worse before they get better. Objectively.

 

[PetterdHoisted]

I would disagree with this sentiment a little. I remember having this distinct thought watching the last 5 games of the season when players who had played a decent number if games (Rioli, Broad, Vlas and a few others) would all seem to look the same way at certain parts of the ground as though they were expecting someone to be there.

I think some players were learning the plan and able to bed it but others who didn't have enough time were not on the same wave length.

Yes sure, I’m just amazed that people are throwing themselves on a grenade for Yze and suggesting that guys like Bolton are the problem

Bolton is one of the guys that has lived elite performance and success, maybe his leaving should tell us something about what he is not seeing at the club currently.

 

[Forensi Tiger]

Nah, they're in a worse position than us. They still rely heavily on all their older players. McGovern just won their bnf at 32. Yeo was 2md who's about to turn 31. Cripps was 6th who is 32. Kelly was top 10 who is 30 next season. Barrass was 7th who's crucial and leaving. None of those 5 will be there in 2 years. Then they had Waterman, Duggan, Hugh, Cole and Reid.

We'll fly past them in the rebuild progress with just this one draft coming up. They're still going to get alot worse before they get better. Objectively.

Not so sure. You can make the same case about us. We have broad and Vlastuin and Nank whose output will get worse. Cooked Lynch and Prestia. With the likely players leaving we will have Balta, Taranto and an injury prone Hopper and Gibcus as younger core. Long time before our 2024/5 draftees make a difference. Oh and McIntosh and Short playing 22 games next year and year after.

 

[tiger_tough]

Not so sure. You can make the same case about us. We have broad and Vlastuin and Nank whose output will get worse. Cooked Lynch and Prestia. With the likely players leaving we will have Balta, Taranto and an injury prone Hopper and Gibcus as younger core. Long time before our 2024/5 draftees make a difference. Oh and McIntosh and Short playing 22 games next year and year after.

Why would Nank get worse? He's peak age for a ruckman. Lynch and Prestia barely played. Nothing alike.

 

[SplintWhisky]

Yes sure, I’m just amazed that people are throwing themselves on a grenade for Yze and suggesting that guys like Bolton are the problem

Bolton is one of the guys that has lived elite performance and success, maybe his leaving should tell us something about what he is not seeing at the club currently.

If Bolton was a complete success and elite, then he would of been our best player all season.

He isnt and he wasn't.

 

[TigerImposter]

I don’t remember him saying they would go with basically the same game plan , iirc he said they would make changes to it , can’t be ****ed looking for the actual quote , maybe his fan club on here can post it to prove me wrong

Exactly may as well have kept mini if we were going for a coach who was prepared to do nothing. Bullshit as usual and if true the Yze is walking on a very fine tightrope

 

[TigerImposter]

We are still governed by the same board except for the CEO and ultimately all big decisions need to pass at Board level anyway it’s not like Gale just picked it and approved it himself

It’s impossible to go past them after they took away our rights. Cocky members sold out after the 17 flag.

 

[TigerImposter]

Buy in and accept there is plenty of hard work to do before were a good side again. Have you heard Broad speak post season? Be more like him. A leader. How about not requesting a trade when you've got multiple years of contract left and are a pivotal player?

Bolton leaving tells me what we already knew - Young indigenous kids from interstate are nearly always a flight risk, especially once they have a young family. Has nothing to do with Yze. Rioli is quite clearly a pussy whipped wannabe influencer.

You can keep on kissing butts all day long, but with Shai, Baker , Rioli and Dusty all pissed off there’s something seriously wrong. Watch Balta pull the rip cord next year.

 

[TigerImposter]

According to Mitch Cleary on Talking Footy, Andrew McQualter is the favourite to coach West Coast & presented very well.
it's coming back to haunt it's coming back to haunt us.

Bring back the mini minor for the rusted out old Holden.

 

[tiger_tough]

You can keep on kissing butts all day long, but with Shai, Baker , Rioli and Dusty all pissed off there’s something seriously wrong. Watch Balta pull the rip cord next year.

Baker nearly left 2 years ago yeah? Dusty clearly cbf. Shai has reasons. Rioli does what he's told by his mrs. Balta will stay

 

[TigerImposter]

Baker nearly left 2 years ago yeah? Dusty clearly cbf. Shai has reasons. Rioli does what he's told. Balta will stay

Nearly is the operative word Mr Mass Hysteria.
Dusty cbf bc it was obvious he was in a place where Gale down to the dunny cleaner cbf.
Shai has made up more reasons than the unreasonable and just wants out
Rioli does what he’s told you are so gullible he has a contract and is prepared to dishonour it. Again crap as usual.
Balta will stay ? Are you in the know and have 100% proof of this. More bull dust from you as I am 100% certain if if if everything is as shithouse as this year he will go.

 

[tiger_tough]

Nearly is the operative word Mr Mass Hysteria.
Dusty cbf bc it was obvious he was in a place where Gale down to the dunny cleaner cbf.
Shai has made up more reasons than the unreasonable and just wants out
Rioli does what he’s told you are so gullible he has a contract and is prepared to dishonour it. Again crap as usual.
Balta will stay ? Are you in the know and have 100% proof of this. More bull dust from you as I am 100% certain if if if everything is as shithouse as this year he will go.

 

[wegetpumped]

Why would Nank get worse? He's peak age for a ruckman. Lynch and Prestia barely played. Nothing alike.

probably because he will be knackered on his own again. We don't have anything to support him.

 

[tiger_tough]

probably because he will be knackered on his own again. We don't have anything to support him.

Most #1 rucks get bugger all help. He'll be right. Had a great year, his best yet.

 

[Forensi Tiger]

Why would Nank get worse? He's peak age for a ruckman. Lynch and Prestia barely played. Nothing alike.

Just my opinion but I think Nank is going to struggle and let’s be honest he isn’t even in the top 12 rucks in the comp. Prestia played quite a few games in the end this year and was ordinary and he won't get better next year even if he plays. Lynch - well it’s 2 years now since he had a meaningful impact so I reckon the odds are against him having a good year.