2nds West Coast Eagles WAFL Watch

[Barrybran]

Where do you watch the wafl?

AFL site

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[bzparkes]

Lets see shall we as to whether he is or isn’t… was a pretty easy question to answer and he dodged around it and said it was a 6-12 month injury..

That doesn't always mean they're injured for that time. When they give a time period for an injury, they're including the time it takes to build up the require fitness to play a game.

Chesser will be fine, imo.

 

[amazingjoshy]

Should throw this broken arse model out and do what every other team does instead.

Have a proper reserves set up or an alignment?

Don't disagree at all with that. Question is will that ever be allowed in the WAFL and should we just continue on if it's not?

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

Have a proper reserves set up or an alignment?

Don't disagree at all with that. Question is will that ever be allowed in the WAFL and should we just continue on if it's not?

Join the VFL (again).

EDIT: To elaborate, most (all?) clubs in the VFL are in the same boat us us. They're development squads. But because they're all development squads, you're competing against peers, so I think the competitiveness of the competition and the team will be enhanced as opposed to WAFL Eagles vs proper WAFL teams. I also feel a proper national reserves competition is inevitable, so it'll be good to iron out the kinks in the system before then.

I do believe it requires an increase in list sizes and the soft cap though. **** covid, and **** poor teams, who have the cajones to show everyone else the middle finger and splurge on super coach messiahs anyway.

 

[paran]

Coniglio kicked 4 in a grand final in 2010 as a 16 year old.
Mitch Duncan was more consistent and putting more goals on the board. WTF didn't we draft him.
Harley Bennell played 12 games in 2010, playing mainly HF and sometimes deeper and averaged over 16 possessions and kicked 13.11, astonishingly he was also going third up in the ruck at times dues to his athleticism.

Daniel Wells was second in the Sandover as a 17yo...

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Join the VFL (again).

EDIT: To elaborate, most (all?) clubs in the VFL are in the same boat us us. They're development squads. But because they're all development squads, you're competing against peers, so I think the competitiveness of the competition and the team will be enhanced as opposed to WAFL Eagles vs proper WAFL teams. I also feel a proper national reserves competition is inevitable, so it'll be good to iron out the kinks in the system before then.

I do believe it requires an increase in list sizes and the soft cap though. * covid, and * poor teams, who have the cajones to show everyone else the middle finger and splurge on super coach messiahs anyway.

Why do you feel a national reserves comp is inevitable? I don’t think there is any chance at all it will happen. Like less than zero percent chance ever. Lists would have to be at 60-65 players who would all have to be paid to be full time footballers.
Hope I think more than inevitable, I don’t hope for it. Be terrible for football pumping serious money into the below average players.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

They probably said the same about a national competition well into the 80s.

 

[kane249]

Why do you feel a national reserves comp is inevitable? I don’t think there is any chance at all it will happen. Like less than zero percent chance ever. Lists would have to be at 60-65 players who would all have to be paid to be full time footballers.
Hope I think more than inevitable, I don’t hope for it. Be terrible for football pumping serious money into the below average players.

The WA and SA teams are the only ones who arent in the VFL.

Port are seriously considering leaving the SANFL to join it, Eagles would be watching what happens there closely.

 

[kane249]

A good article here from Rucci about the plight of Port in the SANFL this year, and why they are considering leaving it

Running out of time: Port and the SANFL's separation anxiety - InDaily

indaily.com.au

There are a few similarities to our own misfortunes with player development and lack of players at times due to injuries.

Worth a read, he did also mention the Crows would also consider leaving the SANFL if Port did.

 

[Godfather32]

A good article here from Rucci about the plight of Port in the SANFL this year, and why they are considering leaving it

Running out of time: Port and the SANFL's separation anxiety - InDaily

indaily.com.au

There are a few similarities to our own misfortunes with player development and lack of players at times due to injuries.

Worth a read, he did also mention the Crows would also consider leaving the SANFL if Port did.

Where do the non-AFL players come from if we go down this route?

 

[OldBlueEagle]

Where do the non-AFL players come from if we go down this route?

Great move, we can take the best under 22 talent that don't get drafted and our NGA players. The greedy WAFL teams can find the missing $300k to run their comp.

 

[kane249]

Where do the non-AFL players come from if we go down this route?

I'd imagine similar to how the AFL teams in the VFL currently fill their list including the QLD/NSW teams. Not sure on the specifics of that. NGA Academy players and potential father/sons could be a top up area?

If Rucci's forecast is correct then it could be as soon as 3 years due to the pending TV rights deal that's coming up, and we get the Reserves comp as part of that package. If there is a cashed up AFL reserves comp with a Foxtel tv rights deal then local leagues will be raided. It will be a game changer.

 

[UseR2006]

I'd imagine similar to how the AFL teams in the VFL currently fill their list including the QLD/NSW teams. Not sure on the specifics of that. NGA Academy players and potential father/sons could be a top up area?

If Rucci's forecast is correct then it could be as soon as 3 years due to the pending TV rights deal that's coming up, and we get the Reserves comp as part of that package. If there is a cashed up AFL reserves comp with a Foxtel tv rights deal then local leagues will be raided. It will be a game changer.

Would the WAFC allow it though? I'm not solid on how the licensing and everything goes with the Beagles compared to the AFL side.
Would the WAFC be able to prevent say the Eagles from pulling the Beagles and running them in the VFL instead?

Interesting to think about.

Either way the status quo for the Beagles can't be allowed to continue.

 

[kane249]

Would the WAFC allow it though? I'm not solid on how the licensing and everything goes with the Beagles compared to the AFL side.
Would the WAFC be able to prevent say the Eagles from pulling the Beagles and running them in the VFL instead?

Interesting to think about.

Either way the status quo for the Beagles can't be allowed to continue.

If it's an AFL mandate that all teams participate in the reserves comp rather than a local league, not much the WAFC could do about it.

 

[ziad]

Would the WAFC allow it though? I'm not solid on how the licensing and everything goes with the Beagles compared to the AFL side.
Would the WAFC be able to prevent say the Eagles from pulling the Beagles and running them in the VFL instead?

Interesting to think about.

Either way the status quo for the Beagles can't be allowed to continue.

Interesting point. Adelaide to Melbourne is doable, from Perth its becoming a real stretch. Some sort of effective WAFL presence looks the best optionb but so many vested interests.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

Great move, we can take the best under 22 talent that don't get drafted and our NGA players. The greedy WAFL teams can find the missing $300k to run their comp.

Greedy WAFL teams?? What you smoking?

 

[greatwhiteshark]

I'd imagine similar to how the AFL teams in the VFL currently fill their list including the QLD/NSW teams. Not sure on the specifics of that. NGA Academy players and potential father/sons could be a top up area?

If Rucci's forecast is correct then it could be as soon as 3 years due to the pending TV rights deal that's coming up, and we get the Reserves comp as part of that package. If there is a cashed up AFL reserves comp with a Foxtel tv rights deal then local leagues will be raided. It will be a game changer.

The WAFC is there to look after WA football. An Eagles reserves side playing in the VFL I am not sure will fall under that banner. That will be a direct Competitor.
And even if there ever was an AFL reserves league it will still be a level below WAFL and SANFL League footy. Other than getting a full time job as a footballer good players from WAFL and SANFL clubs will not want to play in a training and development competition. They will play where they are where winning means something and enjoyment can be had with a group who also value winning.

I know many of you want it and many of you think all of a sudden it will improve our reserves team and our club and that’s fine if you think that. But I still think no chance it will happen. Just can’t see it and don’t there is the money for it.

Also think it could actually grow the WAFL and SANFL as they will finally be able to break away from AFL control, the AFL clubs will still be owned be the WAFC and now the option of other FTA networks being allowed to get involved with the WAFL and better sponsorship Opportunities.

Its not as if the Eagles and Dockers reserves enhance the WAFL.

 

[kane249]

The WAFC is there to look after WA football. An Eagles reserves side playing in the VFL I am not sure will fall under that banner. That will be a direct Competitor.
And even if there ever was an AFL reserves league it will still be a level below WAFL and SANFL League footy. Other than getting a full time job as a footballer good players from WAFL and SANFL clubs will not want to play in a training and development competition. They will play where they are where winning means something and enjoyment can be had with a group who also value winning.

I know many of you want it and many of you think all of a sudden it will improve our reserves team and our club and that’s fine if you think that. But I still think no chance it will happen. Just can’t see it and don’t there is the money for it.

Also think it could actually grow the WAFL and SANFL as they will finally be able to break away from AFL control, the AFL clubs will still be owned be the WAFC and now the option of other FTA networks being allowed to get involved with the WAFL and better sponsorship Opportunities.

Its not as if the Eagles and Dockers reserves enhance the WAFL.

You are greatly underestimating the potential AFL reserve comp due to your own love of the WAFL.

If as part of the new broadcast deal they want a national AFL reserves comp, the AFL will throw money into it. Between the TV rights, advertising and the AFL backing it will be more cashed up that the WAFL. If given a choice of sponsoring the Beagles or the Freo reserves team who will be shown nationally vs a local WAFL/SANFL team, sponsors will chase the AFL reserves comp first for the larger exposure. The tier of sponsor the local leagues will attract won't be as lucrative as you think.

We've seen with the Box Hill Hawks and other VFL clubs there is the pathway there as well to impress and get drafted. Any players who still have AFL aspirations might see it as a chance to get in the 'shop window' and be noticed playing against other AFL listed players. There will be the old timers like your Tony Notte's, Aaron Black etc who play for the love of their WAFL team but that's not going to apply to everyone.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

You are greatly underestimating the potential AFL reserve comp due to your own love of the WAFL.

If as part of the new broadcast deal they want a national AFL reserves comp, the AFL will throw money into it. Between the TV rights, advertising and the AFL backing it will be more cashed up that the WAFL. If given a choice of sponsoring the Beagles or the Freo reserves team who will be shown nationally vs a local WAFL/SANFL team, sponsors will chase the AFL reserves comp first for the larger exposure. The tier of sponsor the local leagues will attract won't be as lucrative as you think.

We've seen with the Box Hill Hawks and other VFL clubs there is the pathway there as well to impress and get drafted. Any players who still have AFL aspirations might see it as a chance to get in the 'shop window' and be noticed playing against other AFL listed players. There will be the old timers like your Tony Notte's, Aaron Black etc who play for the love of their WAFL team but that's not going to apply to everyone.

Agree to disagree, can’t see it happening. Sponsors are not interested in second rate football. AFL seconds will not be broadcast nationally, might get a stream of it if lucky. AFL lists now have 8-10 players each that are barely WAFL level players. Now you want to make it let’s have 30 average players and pay them full time.
Just don’t see it. The AFL have done dumber things however.

 

[shooshka]

You are greatly underestimating the potential AFL reserve comp due to your own love of the WAFL.

If as part of the new broadcast deal they want a national AFL reserves comp, the AFL will throw money into it. Between the TV rights, advertising and the AFL backing it will be more cashed up that the WAFL. If given a choice of sponsoring the Beagles or the Freo reserves team who will be shown nationally vs a local WAFL/SANFL team, sponsors will chase the AFL reserves comp first for the larger exposure. The tier of sponsor the local leagues will attract won't be as lucrative as you think.

We've seen with the Box Hill Hawks and other VFL clubs there is the pathway there as well to impress and get drafted. Any players who still have AFL aspirations might see it as a chance to get in the 'shop window' and be noticed playing against other AFL listed players. There will be the old timers like your Tony Notte's, Aaron Black etc who play for the love of their WAFL team but that's not going to apply to everyone.

If the reserves comp happens (it may not, but I'm assuming eventually it does), then the AFL might be licking their lips at the prospect of a 'B list' draft and the airplay that goes with it.

Teams currently have their A squad of 44 (or about 50 in our case, with top-ups etc). If that maintains into the future then teams will need around 22-30 players on their 'B squad'.

No doubt the push would be to get these players towards a full-time wage (maybe $80-100k p.a. plus flights/accomodation etc etc). Possibly a couple of marquee signings for each side (recently retired AFL players, assistant AFL coaches etc), and maybe a small bump for a couple of designated development players (put some rules around it, say 20-24yo, never AFL listed, clubs then get academy/priority access to those players from their team at the end-of-year draft). Assuming there is a draft for the reserves squad it should be a little harder to corrupt.


Regardless of the model it would absolutely be better for our team - the WAFL model in its current form is atrocious.

 

[kane249]

Agree to disagree, can’t see it happening. Sponsors are not interested in second rate football. AFL seconds will not be broadcast nationally, might get a stream of it if lucky. AFL lists now have 8-10 players each that are barely WAFL level players. Now you want to make it let’s have 30 average players and pay them full time.
Just don’t see it. The AFL have done dumber things however.

The VFL already has a Foxtel deal, all they would be doing is expanding into the WA/SA states. That's better than the current deal the WAFL/SANFL get which is AFL website only.
As I said I don't know the specifics for the current VFL teams and in particular the QLD/NSW sides for their playing lists, but they manage to do this.

 

[WCE_phil]

Would the WAFC allow it though? I'm not solid on how the licensing and everything goes with the Beagles compared to the AFL side.
Would the WAFC be able to prevent say the Eagles from pulling the Beagles and running them in the VFL instead?

Interesting to think about.

Either way the status quo for the Beagles can't be allowed to continue.

The WAFL clubs didn't want an alignment, the players spread between clubs or the beagles. In this scenario the WAFL to protect it's interests might push hard for an alignment particularly if the WAFC are going to tip some money in to help support a club with debts. It might only get us a 5 year alignment and I would prefer a national reserves competition but you can be certain that the WAFC will be against that and it might finally get some more support given to the WAFL.

Do you think Peel could realistically be where they are without the alignment with freo? They were more of a basketcase than Perth. A proper alignment would also allow players who aren't quite ready to play reserves to begin with and push into the seniors team when they are actually of benefit to it. The WAFL clubs would be much more accomodating if they feel their livelihood is threatened and also more accomodating of playing players in their right positions in the reserves as opposed to pushing out currently performing better WAFL players in the seniors. Jack Williams would have been one who would have done so much better this year and received better development playing in a WAFL reserves side and if his form pushed it getting a gig in the seniors. The beagles have been so incredibly shit that he has been on a hiding to nothing.

Now i'm not on top of every clubs financial status but you would think a club like Swan Districts, Perth, East Perth or West Perth could finish this hugely beneficial particularly if a national reserves team comes in.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The VFL already has a Foxtel deal, all they would be doing is expanding into the WA/SA states. That's better than the current deal the WAFL/SANFL get which is AFL website only.
As I said I don't know the specifics for the current VFL teams and in particular the QLD/NSW sides for their playing lists, but they manage to do this.

The VFL does not have a Foxtel deal, they have the exact same deal the WAFL has. One game a week on FTA channel 7 or 7 mate and streamed on 7 plus. Other than that they have all games streamed just like the WAFL on the AFL website.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The WAFL clubs didn't want an alignment, the players spread between clubs or the beagles. In this scenario the WAFL to protect it's interests might push hard for an alignment particularly if the WAFC are going to tip some money in to help support a club with debts. It might only get us a 5 year alignment and I would prefer a national reserves competition but you can be certain that the WAFC will be against that and it might finally get some more support given to the WAFL.

Do you think Peel could realistically be where they are without the alignment with freo? They were more of a basketcase than Perth. A proper alignment would also allow players who aren't quite ready to play reserves to begin with and push into the seniors team when they are actually of benefit to it. The WAFL clubs would be much more accomodating if they feel their livelihood is threatened and also more accomodating of playing players in their right positions in the reserves as opposed to pushing out currently performing better WAFL players in the seniors. Jack Williams would have been one who would have done so much better this year and received better development playing in a WAFL reserves side and if his form pushed it getting a gig in the seniors. The beagles have been so incredibly s**t that he has been on a hiding to nothing.

Now i'm not on top of every clubs financial status but you would think a club like Swan Districts, Perth, East Perth or West Perth could finish this hugely beneficial particularly if a national reserves team comes in.

The beagles are crap because of injuries and poor AFL drafting, nothing at all to do with the WAFL clubs. You draft crap you end up with crap. All teams have that same issue, stop drafting crap footballers.

 

[Ambrose Burnside]

stop drafting crap footballers.

BOND 007

 

[kane249]

The VFL does not have a Foxtel deal, they have the exact same deal the WAFL has. One game a week on FTA channel 7 or 7 mate and streamed on 7 plus. Other than that they have all games streamed just like the WAFL on the AFL website.

Sorry I got that wrong, it's not on Foxtel but it is currently on Kayo. Something the WAFL/SANFL are not.

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