What’s wrong with the dogs?

[BarryMorgan]

barely put up a yelp after half-time. Still cant figure out what the change has been since 2016?

The retirement and injury of multiple players?

 

[Igloo]

Still got the nucleus obviously but so many of that nucleus are not premiership standard right now and don't play like they want to be. Give leeway to Wood and Bont I`d say who look like they play to win still but are just short of full fitness, but heat must come on the trio of Dahlhaus, Johannisen and Daniel surely??

You must be looking at a different Easton Wood to me. He's been shocking all year, and his body language has been very obviously horrible. Doesn't look like he gives a shit at all at the moment, and it's very frustrating.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Every team has injuries. Good list management limits the damage that injuries to key players cause.

It is unfathomable that we have taken one kid with a late pick in 3 years who is a mid, and we haven't traded for any in that time either. We haven't even rookied a speculative one. Ridiculous list management.

What have you been drafting, because you aren’t exactly blessed with decent kpp’s.

 

[SilentHunter_]

They could be tanking for the upcoming super draft.

 

[Sedat!]

What have you been drafting, because you aren’t exactly blessed with decent kpp’s.

Hybrids - we have more of them than Toyota

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Hybrids - we have more of them that Toyota

Reminds me of when you lot rookied a slow hb named Fuller instead of Brown.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

To sum up their last 2 games:

Insipid.

Your posts are hilarious if read out in Paulie Walnuts voice.

....and yeah the Bulldogs been stinking it up lately.

 

[Joao]

Not much I wouldn't have thought. Sure they look ordinary at times (like really ordinary) but they are also very competitive for such a young team.

I'd be pretty excited if I were a Dogs fan.

 

[Golden_6]

Reminds me of when you lot rookied a slow hb named Fuller instead of Brown.

Hindsight is great. 17 other clubs passed on him at some stage including yours twice.

 

[Dangerousfield]

Not much I wouldn't have thought. Sure they look ordinary at times (like really ordinary) but they are also very competitive for such a young team.

I'd be pretty excited if I were a Dogs fan.

Yeah, I'd be pretty excited about pick 3 or 4 in this years draft! Reckon with their season shot they are tanking, strange selection decisions all year IMO

 

[Joao]

Yeah, I'd be pretty excited about pick 3 or 4 in this years draft! Reckon with their season shot they are tanking, strange selection decisions all year IMO

Nah I reckon that is just Bevo. He's always been a bit nuts.

They'll end up with 8-11 wins which is pretty good for a team under 24 years.

 

[Dangerousfield]

So we 'fluked' the entire season? Talk about a long con!

AFL got umpires after the 2016GF to pay frees against throwing the ball, cut your team off at the knees! Notice throwing creeping back in this year, it's a blight on the game

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

collingwood are gonna start a dynasty and bulldogs should sack everyone and start again.......am i doing the standard post game overreaction right??

 

[Roovolution]

Too many beverages.....

 

[BarryMorgan]

AFL got umpires after the 2016GF to pay frees against throwing the ball, cut your team off at the knees! Notice throwing creeping back in this year, it's a blight on the game

Great to have someone on this board who has such insight into the inner workings of the AFL.

 

[Draft Pick]

What have you been drafting, because you aren’t exactly blessed with decent kpp’s.

Aaron Noughton, absolutely will make it, Lewis Young Hopefully.

 

[2notepockets]

Playing JJ and Wood forward AT ALL is dumb AF... Is Bevo trying to build some utopia of versatility but going about it all wrong? they have 2 KPF's that were 1 and 2 in their respective drafts but neither look like players at this point. No KPD's. Trengove another below average multi position player ruck/back/full back tagger??? on decent coin as a FA who cant even out mark Adams without shoving him in the back . Roughhead another never was at least partially due to being thrown to every position on the ground at the coaches whim.

whats wrong with giving blokes a place in the team and sticking with it? 1 ruck/forward and 1-2 swingmen is surely plenty?

 

[Draft Pick]

AFL got umpires after the 2016GF to pay frees against throwing the ball, cut your team off at the knees! Notice throwing creeping back in this year, it's a blight on the game

Go away troll. You had your say last week.

 

[djpaulydemon]

In the 2nd half they tried to hold onto possesion in defence rather than attacking through the middle. The hand ball at all costs style to generate inside 50's doesn't work on the wings and they could hardly get it into their forward line.

Suckling was giving it a crack but he started to turn it over and all the back flankers went into their shells and the mids didn't lead up the corridor so they kept kicking wide.

2016 Dogs had insane confidence on the back flank hitting dangerous kicks into the middle, then they would get the ball into the forward half with quick handballs and lock it in from there.

I think the backs, in particular Wood, were overpossesing because they didn't have confidence to hit some risky kicks as they thought the younger mids will lose the contest if the kicks not perfect.

 

[Aussie_boy]

Just a nothing side at the moment. Sounds harsh but it seems like a few of the key cogs from the 2016 team have the 'someone else can do it for me' attitude. Toby McLean is one bloke who has really stepped it up, been very good all season. But apart from him and probably Macrae and Bontempelli, the team just seems to lack intensity and desire to take the game on.

 

[Eternal Schism]

I think it is a knock. The 2016 side was extremely talented, won the same amount of games as the 2015 Hawks and had an historically impressive finals series. They were the best side in the league

Also it is mindblowingly dumb that there are people use our current side to question the 2016 flag

The old 2015 Hawks chestnut doesn't stand up as much as a defence when you look at it this way.

Hawks - 19-7 - 157.1% - 8-3 Against Top 8 - 5-2 Against Top 4 - Av For 110 - Av Against 70 (stingiest flag winning defence 1968-present) - Rank 1 in Scoring and Least Points allowed 2015
Dogs - 19-7 - 117.8% - 8-5 Against Top 8 - 4-4 Against Top 4 - Av For 86 - Av Against 73 - Rank 12th in Scoring and Second least points allowed 2016

Hawks total time leading - 3170m 23s
Dogs total time leading - 3057m 25s

Hawks quarters won - 79-1-24 2852-1833
Dogs quarters won - 57-3-44 2241-1895

Hawks biggest win - 138 || Biggest Loss 32 || Hawks average win 58.6 || Average Loss 13.71
Dogs biggest win - 65 || Biggest Loss 57 || Dogs average win 26.68 || Average Loss 23
Hawks 60-99 / 100+ point wins - 8 / 2
Dogs 60-99 / 100+ point wins - 1 / 0


The Dogs are comparable with West Coast 1994, Adelaide 1997, Sydney 2005, Richmond 2017 as only these other 4 teams have managed to win flags, like the dogs, averaging less than 100 points per game between 1978 and 2017. This makes this type of premier an anomaly or outlier. Of these Adelaide, Richmond & West Coast all averaged 98, 92, 97 points respectively. Western Bulldogs scored 86 by contrast, equally the lowest with the dour 2005 Sydney. The Dogs conceded less than Richmond, Sydney (by 1 point a game) or Adelaide in those years, but more than 1994 West Coast. Bulldogs 2nd lowest percentage of all of these (1.6% better than Sydney) , but better H&A record W/L than Adelaide.

A premiership is a cup to your name, hell I'd kill to "fluke a flag" seeing how horrendous my team is (the dogs wasn't a fluke - no such thing). However you need to call a spade a spade when the time comes and it is no surprise a very weak premier got found out with some of its key leaders retiring or declining in health.

 

[Sentinel]

The old 2015 Hawks chestnut doesn't stand up as much as a defence when you look at it this way.

Hawks - 19-7 - 157.1% - 8-3 Against Top 8 - 5-2 Against Top 4 - Av For 110 - Av Against 70 (stingiest flag winning defence 1968-present) - Rank 1 in Scoring and Least Points allowed 2015
Dogs - 19-7 - 117.8% - 8-5 Against Top 8 - 4-4 Against Top 4 - Av For 86 - Av Against 73 - Rank 12th in Scoring and Second least points allowed 2016

Hawks total time leading - 3170m 23s
Dogs total time leading - 3057m 25s

Hawks quarters won - 79-1-24 2852-1833
Dogs quarters won - 57-3-44 2241-1895

Hawks biggest win - 138 || Biggest Loss 32 || Hawks average win 58.6 || Average Loss 13.71
Dogs biggest win - 65 || Biggest Loss 57 || Dogs average win 26.68 || Average Loss 23
Hawks 60-99 / 100+ point wins - 8 / 2
Dogs 60-99 / 100+ point wins - 1 / 0


The Dogs are comparable with West Coast 1994, Adelaide 1997, Sydney 2005, Richmond 2017 as only these other 4 teams have managed to win flags, like the dogs, averaging less than 100 points per game between 1978 and 2017. This makes this type of premier an anomaly or outlier. Of these Adelaide, Richmond & West Coast all averaged 98, 92, 97 points respectively. Western Bulldogs scored 86 by contrast, equally the lowest with the dour 2005 Sydney. The Dogs conceded less than Richmond, Sydney (by 1 point a game) or Adelaide in those years, but more than 1994 West Coast. Bulldogs 2nd lowest percentage of all of these (1.6% better than Sydney) , but better H&A record W/L than Adelaide.

A premiership is a cup to your name, hell I'd kill to "fluke a flag" seeing how horrendous my team is (the dogs wasn't a fluke - no such thing). However you need to call a spade a spade when the time comes and it is no surprise a very weak premier got found out with some of its key leaders retiring or declining in health.

All fair points. We were far from a dominant side most of the year in 2016, although some of that could be put down to injuries - if we weren't hit hard I'm confident our H&A record would have been stronger, hence the finals series when we had most back. The list was strangely balanced for a premier too (a lot of kids and a lot of 30+ year olds) so in hindsight the drop over the past 2 years has not been entirely out of the blue when we didn't replace retirees with good experienced players, although its been exacerbated by injury again.

Having said that, we've still just won as many flags as the almost all-conquering Essendon 2000 side.

 

[lewdogs]

The two players that really stand out as having gone backwards are JJ and Dalhaus. What has happened to them? Both were stars in 2016.

I'm sure there are others but those two have gone from great to average very quickly. Jeez they miss Johannisons run; almost looks like he needs a run in the 2s he was that ineffective tonight.

 

[Johnny Karate]

The no third man up rule has also killed them. Their NQR rucks are getting belted atm.

 

[Dynamics]

The no third man up rule has also killed them. Their NQR rucks are getting belted atm.

That really stood out last night. Our mids failed to capitalise on Grundy's domination early, but their rucks were so poor that it took its inevitable toll as the game wore on.

You'd think a high draft pick would be very valuable in order to land one of the King boys or similar this year.