What are some of the biggest pieces of revisionist history in the AFL?

[joe444]

The Jessa Jezza observation is interesting. I was around at the time and remember it being def a zz in spoken word, but the ss in print makes me question my memory.

Though could it be similar to Aussie, spelt ss but pronounced zz, unless one is an American?

My theory - and it's only a theory - is that pronunciation of ethnic names was a little more basic then. There's an "s" in there, so we said "s", not "z".

PS I actually am a linguistics teacher, and no doubt the pronunciation in AusEng is very different to what it was. If you listen to commentaries of the era, we hear what we expect to hear now "Jezalenko" but the commentators aren't calling him that ... they're saying something much closer to "Jessalenko".

Jesaulenko, you beauty!

Before Carlton's famous comeback, Alex Jesaulenko soared above Graeme 'Jerker' Jenkin to take an iconic screamer that was enhanced by Mike Williamson's iconic line.

www.afl.com.au

 

[Butters and Pepper]

That Ken Hinkley is a good coach, that Port has played finals in just about year that he's coached.

That he's selfless, that he's this loveable Kenny bloke.

When Port lose its always the players fault. That the inaccuracy of the team is a reflection on the players and not his game plan.

That supporters' expectations are unreasonable and based on relative dominance in the SANFL.

 

[joe444]

All clubs have players get surgeries when the season ends.

Hawks had a few players in hospital after the game. Anyone know how many Geelong had?

Geelong - five hospitalised players with major injuries requiring surgery after the game:
1 Stephen Hocking played out the game with a ruptured testicle in the second half.
2 David Cameron played with a broken collarbone from the first quarter onwards.
3 Damien Bourke was taken off with a PCL in the first quarter
4 Andrew Bews and 5 Neville Bruns played out the game with a broken thumb and fractured shoulder respectively.

source: Sunday Age, 28 January 1990


And hence the myth (and it's a ripper - that video of Derm in slow-mo is epic) was born.

 

[Osho]

My theory - and it's only a theory - is that pronunciation of ethnic names was a little more basic then. There's an "s" in there, so we said "s", not "z".

PS I actually am a linguistics teacher, and no doubt the pronunciation in AusEng is very different to what it was. If you listen to commentaries of the era, we hear what we expect to hear now "Jezalenko" but the commentators aren't calling him that ... they're saying something much closer to "Jessalenko".

Jesaulenko, you beauty!

Before Carlton's famous comeback, Alex Jesaulenko soared above Graeme 'Jerker' Jenkin to take an iconic screamer that was enhanced by Mike Williamson's iconic line.

www.afl.com.au

Yeah, sure, the s when saying the name in full. But for the short version, I really can't recall an s, but can a z, in Jessa/Jezza. I wonder if in Oz speak the the zz is oft used / preferred by convention in some abbreviated names to convey familiarity, even when there is no s :
-Terence, Tezza
-Sharron, Shazza
-Daryl, Dazza.

Concurrent with Alex ruling the Blues forward line, was one Barry McKenzie and his adventures landing in cinemas, oft referred to as Bazza McKenzie.

 

[The 747]

That Ken Hinkley is a good coach, that Port has played finals in just about year that he's coached.

That he's selfless, that he's this loveable Kenny bloke.

When Port lose its always the players fault. That the inaccuracy of the team is a reflection on the players and not his game plan.

That supporters' expectations are unreasonable and based on relative dominance in the SANFL.

Hinkley hate post alert.

 

[Magpie Since 1986]

That the Buckley/Malthouse succession plan "cost" Collingwood a dynasty team.

When the plan was devised in 2009 Collingwood were 3-5 and it was looking like Malthouse had run his race. Certainty nobody was talking about Collingwood as a premiership team, save to say definitely not a dynasty team.

You could just as easily conclude that the succession plan created the 2010 premiership as it placed pressure on Malthouse to change his stale game plan to the new forward press that we hadn't seen before. That game plan along with the fact that in 2010 a Geelong dynasty team was being coached by a burned out drug dealer enabled us to get the flag. Geelong got their shit together and worked out our gameplan in 2011 and beat us 3 times.

 

[MadMundy]

That Hawks were underdogs v Freo in the 2013 GF

They were quite a pronounced favourite

I don't remember us being considered favourites, I feel like people wanted us to win, but they never considered us favourites.

However had we played you guys I think we would have gone in favourites considering we'd beaten you at your home ground just weeks prior.

 

[Shane Heard]

That Essendon would’ve won the 1999 Grand Final.

Not quite revisionist as many thought it at the time, but to me it’s just garbage. North weren’t going to lose two in a row.

Correct. Mercuri injured and others would’ve missed.

I doubt we would’ve beat Noof.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Probably the biggest one is that footy was “tougher” in the old days (60s, 70s, 80s).

It was way more violent, but nowhere near as tough.

Players used to routinely shit themselves and pull out in tough situations. They don’t these days because it gets highlighted and replayed 1000 times.

Most of the “big hits” were just assaults on guys who weren’t looking and couldn’t defend themselves.

Yeah there's a difference between 'violent' and 'tough'.

Belting someone in the head when they aren't looking isn't remotely 'tough', it's cowardly.

 

[joe444]

Yeah, sure, the s when saying the name in full. But for the short version, I really can't recall an s, but can a z, in Jessa/Jezza. I wonder if in Oz speak the the zz is oft used / preferred by convention in some abbreviated names to convey familiarity, even when there is no s :
-Terence, Tezza
-Sharron, Shazza
-Daryl, Dazza.

Concurrent with Alex ruling the Blues forward line, was one Barry McKenzie and his adventures landing in cinemas, oft referred to as Bazza McKenzie.

Totally understand. I suspect the Mandela Effect is extant for a reason, but I also don't disagree that, over time, Jessa became Jezza. Indeed, a quick online search of the archive reveals that the spelling is pretty prevalent when he became a playing coach.

 

[joe444]

The GAS 14 goals “from the wing” is hands down the most exaggerated thing I’ve ever heard. Not only did he not kick ANY from the the wing (or even run in from there) most of them were set shots from 20-30m directly in front. I saw a couple of standard crumbs as well but the furthest shot he had was the last goal (around 50-55m almost directly in front) THAT WAS THE ONLY GOAL OUTSIDE 50.

Now before you say “hey this guy is just a salty Richmond troll I remember the game perfectly and GAS was a freak”. Here are all the goals, test your memory and you’ll see I’m not making it up….

Dude.
The phrase "14 from the wing" means he was playing on the wing, not kicking them from there.

 

[JackFlash]

Revisionist? Those that defend the game today compared to the halcyon days of the 70s, 80s, 90s and into the 2000s. The non acceptance that the game was much better then by those who were not there. It was better, tougher and far more exciting than the diluted version of the game they play today. I was lucky enough to see real Australian Rules Football, it's history now, it's the same in name only and any similarity is purely coincidental.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I don't remember us being considered favourites, I feel like people wanted us to win, but they never considered us favourites.

However had we played you guys I think we would have gone in favourites considering we'd beaten you at your home ground just weeks prior.

That's because you weren't favourites however some Hawks fans seemed to want to peddle the myth they went in against it and triumphed against the odds etc

 

[Randomizor]

The GAS 14 goals “from the wing” is hands down the most exaggerated thing I’ve ever heard. Not only did he not kick ANY from the the wing (or even run in from there) most of them were set shots from 20-30m directly in front. I saw a couple of standard crumbs as well but the furthest shot he had was the last goal (around 50-55m almost directly in front) THAT WAS THE ONLY GOAL OUTSIDE 50.

Now before you say “hey this guy is just a salty Richmond troll I remember the game perfectly and GAS was a freak”. Here are all the goals, test your memory and you’ll see I’m not making it up….

Imagine kicking 14 goals and there’s absolutely no crowd watching you

 

[Butters and Pepper]

Hinkley hate post alert.

Finals are scary.

It's a tough game and someone has to lose.

 

[dropbear101]

kevin sheedy and to an extent richmond being regarded as a pioneer of indigenous football. however, i think thats more of an indictment of the vfl. indigenous participation was part and parcel of the wafl for a long long time before sheedy came along. the sanfl i think even earlier and the nt since day dot. thus, he was merely adopting what everyone else was already doing.
in saying that, i also believe he did a wonderful job and simultaneously deserves his flowers.

 

[Hysteria]

That the Buckley/Malthouse succession plan "cost" Collingwood a dynasty team.

When the plan was devised in 2009 Collingwood were 3-5 and it was looking like Malthouse had run his race. Certainty nobody was talking about Collingwood as a premiership team, save to say definitely not a dynasty team.

You could just as easily conclude that the succession plan created the 2010 premiership as it placed pressure on Malthouse to change his stale game plan to the new forward press that we hadn't seen before. That game plan along with the fact that in 2010 a Geelong dynasty team was being coached by a burned out drug dealer enabled us to get the flag. Geelong got their shit together and worked out our gameplan in 2011 and beat us 3 times.

The idea Malthouse pioneered the "forward press" gameplan is another case of revisionist history.
Ross Lyon had the Saints playing a forward press in 2009 to great success. The following year Malthouse and Collingwood implemented it to great success.

 

[Tarkyn_24]

Shaw and Thomas’ claims about Buckley this week were pretty wild.

Those boys dismantled their own unit. Salty Malty wouldn’t have got them any closer.

 

[RonnieRaven]

Fyfe cost freo the 2013 flag
@21 he was the best midfielder on the ground by a country mile.
It was freos fwds not kicking goals that cost the flag

 

[Moonatic77]

Definitely this.

It's not that the game was 'better' back then, it was just more straight-forward. You could bump/tackle without worrying about 50 different rules.

Byron Pickett likes this, made the shirtfornt an art form. Yeah I know concussions and all that but it the old shirtfornt was a thing of beauty to watch

 

[The hands of stone]

Geelong - five hospitalised players with major injuries requiring surgery after the game:
1 Stephen Hocking played out the game with a ruptured testicle in the second half.
2 David Cameron played with a broken collarbone from the first quarter onwards.
3 Damien Bourke was taken off with a PCL in the first quarter
4 Andrew Bews and 5 Neville Bruns played out the game with a broken thumb and fractured shoulder respectively.

source: Sunday Age, 28 January 1990
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And hence the myth (and it's a ripper - that video of Derm in slow-mo is epic) was born.

Gotta say , this is the first time I've ever seen it suggested that the narrative was only we had injuries .
I was only a young fella at the time but amongst everything I was told and heard both teams would have struggled to put together decent teams the following week ( if it was required )
Even the doco's or stories on it I've seen in general are pretty consistent with that .

I've ever heard our players say the same . I don't know maybe it's more how you guys felt it was portrayed

 

[dropbear101]

Fyfe cost freo the 2013 flag
@21 he was the best midfielder on the ground by a country mile.
It was freos fwds not kicking goals that cost the flag

i don't think that revisionist. i think most freo fans think that and i think fyfe also thinks that. still haunts his goal kicking to this day. had 4 shots on goal 2 behinds. 2 out on the full.

 

[RonnieRaven]

i don't think that revisionist. i think most freo fans think that and i think fyfe also thinks that. still haunts his goal kicking to this day. had 4 shots on goal 2 behinds. 2 out on the full.

I blame our 6 experienced fwds not our 4th year mid who carried the team on his shoulders
If our fwds kicked 3 more goals Fyfe had norm in the bag

 

[Altum Volantes]

That Mark Bickley

Mark Bickley

Age

55

Ht

178cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.4

5star

K

11.7

4star

HB

7.8

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

21.2

5star

K

11.0

4star

HB

10.2

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

3.8

5star

was in any way, at all, whatsoever, a Hall of Fame level player.

I don’t hate Bickley, I don’t even really hate the Crows, but that guy was questionably in the best 10 players Adelaide had in the 90s.

Absolutely mind blowing he’s in the HoF.

 

[Cleansweep17]

Dude.
The phrase "14 from the wing" means he was playing on the wing, not kicking them from there.

So like my question where was Hendersons (Def) 2017 QF goal in the goal square from?

What it A: from the Backline

Or B: from the fwd line

The answer should be common sense