What is a fair trade for Kurt Tippett?

[go_the_dockers]

The lions got pick 12 for Clark, so surely it must something similar to that and in my option Kurt is a better player than Clark (at least Clark before he was traded anyway).

Lions: Pick 6 and 26 (Lions first and second pick)
Pick: 18 and Kurt Tippett (Crows first pick + Tippett)

I am guessing with the picks, but they should be around the marks

I cant see gold coast getting tippett, due to the fact they will need to hold onto all there young players and couldn't afford to have 700k+ in there salary cap for the next 5 years.

Is the above trade fair?

If the lion's dont offer there first pick, what can they offer?

 

[It Just Is]

That probably close to fair but all Adelaide is going to get is a third round pick.

 

[Stewart2Austin Reborn]

According to the Advertiser, they reckon the injury prone, wayward kicking Tippet is worth Sam Day, Daniel Gorringe AND a second round pick.

 

[headache1]

That probably close to fair but all Adelaide is going to get is a third round pick.

Care to explain why?

 

[coryne]

According to the Advertiser, they reckon the injury prone, wayward kicking Tippet is worth Sam Day, Daniel Gorringe AND a second round pick.

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[coryne]

Care to explain why?

I am assuming it due to the "rumoured" "get out" clause, where he was able to choose the club of his choice to walk to for a 2nd/3rd rd selection. Crows deny it of cause, and they would have been pretty damn stupid to put such a clause into any contract for him ...........

 

[headache1]

I am assuming it due to the "rumoured" "get out" clause, where he was able to choose the club of his choice to walk to for a 2nd/3rd rd selection. Crows deny it of cause, and they would have been pretty damn stupid to put such a clause into any contract for him ...........

As part of the rumour that escalated all of this, Ricciuto also said that there was a "gentlemen's agreement", rather than anything in his contract. So perhaps people are just choosing to believe part of the rumour and ignore the rest of it. You can be sure that with the present situation the AFC are in (an opening premiership window), if Tippett does decide to leave, they will be doing what's best for the AFC, not what's best for Kurt Tippett.

 

[iBeng]

A half eaten packet of crisp chips?

Honestly, we wont know until trade week anyway.

 

[headache1]

A half eaten packet of crisp chips?

Honestly, we wont know until trade week anyway.

If it even gets that far.

 

[It Just Is]

Care to explain why?

Yes obviously i was refering to him having a get out clause in his contract. I'm not going to pretent to have any inside info but its almost too bizzare a story not to be true, and the man himself has done nothing to dispel the romours.

The real question is why has Tippett not signed yet? Adelaide are closer to a premiership then Brisbane. Surely he's not home sick, he's a 25 year old man whos been living in adelaide for 5 or 6 years now. Does he not get along with the other players or is he just looking to cash in?

P.S. i like how you'd honour a gentlemens agreement.

 

[headache1]

Yes obviously i was refering to him having a get out clause in his contract. I'm not going to pretent to have any inside info but its almost too bizzare a story not to be true, and the man himself has done nothing to dispel the romours.

The real question is why has Tippett not signed yet? Adelaide are closer to a premiership then Brisbane. Surely he's not home sick, he's a 25 year old man whos been living in adelaide for 5 or 6 years now. Does he not get along with the other players or is he just looking to cash in?

P.S. i like how you'd honour a gentlemens agreement.

There are any number of reasons as to why he hasn't signed yet, and Kurt is the only one who knows what that reason is. It could be that he's backing himself to have big performances in the upcoming finals series to increase his perceived worth in the eyes of whichever team he wants to play for next year, whether it be the Crows, Lions, or Suns. It could be that he hates it here in Adelaide. It could be that his recent string of concussions are making him think about how finite an AFL football career can be. Like I said, only he can answer that one.

Football is a cut-throat business these days. After paying Kurt over the odds for the previous three years, I doubt the football club would be inclined to honour anything they don't have to. Especially when they believe they may be close to a flag. Now is not the time to be playing nice.

 

[Hank93]

Brisbane's first round pick (Pick 8).

I still don't think the "clause" exists. AA already said it would be illegal for a club to put that sort of clause in a contract. If it was true, I can't imagine Tippo would want to piss off Adelaide that much with such a weak deal.

We'll push very hard for GC's pick 2, but I can't see it happening.

Anyway, I'm still predicting him to stay. Why would he want to leave. The go home factor is tempting for players who play for crap clubs, or are starved of opportunity, but Tippett is in none of these groups.
He'd be incredibly weak to leave for money/home when the crows are in the position they are in.

 

[Mego Red]

Regarding the gentlemens agreement - considering no one he made it with is still at the club, it's hard to know what value it has.

I think he'll go to GCS. I think it will be Gorringe and compo pick for Tipp and Crows 2nd round pick.

 

[matty p]

A big NO to Gorringe. Not worth it.

Crows should only accept Sam Day or a draft pick that would net us Brodie Grundy.

 

[Membling]

A big NO to Gorringe. Not worth it.

Crows should only accept Sam Day or a draft pick that would net us Brodie Grundy.

I'm going to take that as 'i hope we don't trade him' hypothetical. Be insane by gold coast to give up essentially pick 3 in 2010 and pick 2 in 2012

 

[Offsider]

I would think Gorringe (Pick 10 from 2 years ago) would be almost enough value to Adelaide, maybe through in a second round pick (25) and that's a pretty good deal for Adelaide. I don't think Tippett is worth Sam Day, pick 3 from 2 years ago, huge upside has shown some ok signs.

Tippett is probably worth the same as Mitch Clark, they have had similar careers, one very good near AA year. And some decent years, but both have upside. We dealt Clark for pick 12 and that's probably what Tippett is worth IMO.

From Brisbane I would like to try and keep our first round pick, but this will probably be very hard and it will be a choice between pick 8 or a player like Polec, a high upside type. I would prefer to keep Polec in this situation. What players would Adelaide like off Brisbane's list, maybe our compo pick + a player of interest with a fair bit of value, or our first round pick (8) + average player with a bit of value (Polkinghorne, Cornelius, Banfield) for Tippett + Adelaide first round pick (22).

 

[Knightmare]

Assuming Brisbane end up with pick 8 overall - Tippett + Adelaide 2nd rounder for 1st + 2nd rounder from Brisbane is about right.

If Gold Coast want Tippett then a trade of Gorringe + Steven May would be around the mark.

 

[bumsonseats]

I dont think it is fair to compare the Mitch Clark trade last year to what Tippett might be worth this year.
Last years draft was said to be a shallow draft, so trading draft picks carried some sort of premium. The draft this year is said to be much deeper so that premium will not be as strong. That premium diminishes even further when you take into account that Tippett is out of contract. If either of the QLD clubs wanted to play hardball, then they could offer up the 2nd round pick and say take it or leave it.

I think he is worth at least a mid first round pick, so pick 6, 7 or 8 might be to high a price so will have to involve either exchange of other picks, or other players.

 

[Mego Red]

Then the crows would say no. Or we'd say yes to whoever offered the best deal.

Maybe the QLD clubs might band together to rip us off. Or maybe they won't.

Clark is not comparable. He'd had three bad years from the previous four, and it shows a lot about his pea heart how well he's played since leaving Brisbane. They deserved better.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

Yeah the Mitch situation was a bit of an anomaly. For a while there, it seemed like we were going to have to settle for pick 20 from Freo or just let him walk to the PSD. It was only when Melbourne came in late that we jumped at pick 12. Here there's the situation of a proven player who has two clubs, both with a bit to offer, who are interested.

I personally can't see any way of us getting Kurt without losing our first pick. Trading Redden would be just about as likely as trading Voss to restart his playing career with the Crows. Polec's a chance, but I'd also think he's slim seeing as he was pick 5 in 2010. So raw and so much potential still. But yes, a chance.

I wouldn't count out O'Brien personally. A South Australian kid who has shown a bit in the games he's played, and might be a nice sweetener to the deal. Apart from him, I can't really see any players Adelaide would be interested in that we'd also be willing to let go, meaning it will most likely be a draft pick trade if it eventuates.

As I've stated on the Lions board though, I'm starting to feel more and more certain that if it happens (which I'm still not 100% on), it'll be to the Suns.

 

[Patron]

Brisbane's first round pick (Pick 8).

I still don't think the "clause" exists. AA already said it would be illegal for a club to put that sort of clause in a contract. If it was true, I can't imagine Tippo would want to piss off Adelaide that much with such a weak deal.

We'll push very hard for GC's pick 2, but I can't see it happening.

Anyway, I'm still predicting him to stay. Why would he want to leave. The go home factor is tempting for players who play for crap clubs, or are starved of opportunity, but Tippett is in none of these groups.
He'd be incredibly weak to leave for money/home when the crows are in the position they are in.

Exhibit former wce premiership winning captain Chris judd.

 

[iGNITER]

For some reason I cant see him ending up at Brisbane.

Either Gold Coast or stay put

 

[Hank93]

Exhibit former wce premiership winning captain Chris judd.

Judd had already won a premiership.

 

[Iva Bigun]

Then the crows would say no. Or we'd say yes to whoever offered the best deal.

Maybe the QLD clubs might band together to rip us off. Or maybe they won't.

Clark is not comparable. He'd had three bad years from the previous four, and it shows a lot about his pea heart how well he's played since leaving Brisbane. They deserved better.

Neither of the clubs would be looking to rip you off, but we would be looking to get ripped off either. i think your comment on Gorringe and a pick is not far off the mark. Some of the comments by others wanting Day and the No2 pick are clearly ridiculous

 

[BlueJet]

Judd had already won a premiership.

That really shouldn't factor into it at all.
I hope he stays at the Crows, though if he were to leave I'd say he'd get you a first rounder and an average player for him.
He's a bit overrated due to inconsistency but proven matchwinners of his size are few and far between.