What is going throught your recruiters heads?????

[Macca19]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Why should I apologise?
Because Judd was a success?
I dont think so, your club is still in dier need of young key position players.
Jackovich,McIntosh and Wilson really only have a few years left in them and apart from wilson, what other viable key forward do you have.
Ill stand by my comments as at the time and even now they were accurate.

You cant admit you are wrong can you Sabre? West Coasts key player department is looking fine. Nad even if it wasnt...its not as if they are going to have the same side for the next 5 years. Most likely they will trade and recruit new key players anyway.

Lets have a look see shall we:

Dean Cox - has shown he has a lot of promise and can hold down the ruck well. Will certainly turn into a very consistent good player for WC.

Andrew Embley - has played a few good games this year. If he gets consistency he will be a good player for many years to come

Michael Gardiner - one of the best ruckmen in the competition who can also play very well at CHF. A star in his own right

Travis Gaspar - has played bloody well in his few games this year. Seems to have a lot of talent and looks like he will become a good future player

Darren Glass - has been brilliant so far this season. A very good player who will play many many games for the Eagles

Ashley Hansen - havent seen him play but was rated very highly by scouts last year as a key forward.

Adam Hunter - been consistently good this season and looks to have taken the next step in his game. Will be another good future player for the Eagles.

Glen Jackovich - Probably 2 season left in him and he is playing as good as ever this season

Andrew Mcdougall - Havent seen him play but from all reports he seems to be developing reasonably well at WAFL level.

Ashley Mcintosh - Maybe 1 or 2 years left in him and if he plays as a forward could be handy for between 30-50 goals a year.

Mark Seaby - Havent seen him play

David Sierakowski - an important player to the team. Can hold down any key position and is a good experienced player.

Troy Wilson - there is no reason why he cant play on for another 4-5 years. If he is fit and good enough he should be able to. There is no rule that says a player must retire once past 30.

Brent Tuckey - had a reasonable pre season and definatly can play fairly well. Will be a good backup forward.

So much for not having any bloody young key position players! Cox, Embley, Gardiner, Seaby, Tuckey, Mcdougall, Hunter, Glass, Gaspar are all young and most have cememnted themselves in the top 22-26 players at their club.
Take away your rose coloured glasses Sabre. You rate Dion Woods so bloody highly yet you dont even rate half the West Coast side, which shows your hypocrisy and one eyed nature especially when Dion Woods has done no better than the likes of Glass, Hunter, Gaspar, Embley and Cox - all players who you obviously dont rate.

 

[eagleskickass]

What Macca Said, Cheers, glad to see we west coast fans arem't the only ones who don't think we are as bad off as many people think

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by eagleskickass
What Macca Said

What EKA said

 

[Raelene]

What on earth is a thread this old being brought to the surface again?

It's over and done with!

 

[kuepper]

Re: Re: What is going through your recruiters heads?????

Originally posted by Frodo
Yea, yea...you've proved to be correct again Sabre........such unhappiness for us poor WCE supporters

Another busy day is it?

And why just get stuck into Sabre, I dont see you criticising your fellow supporters (which is very much out of character for you as well).

When the serial psychotics on the main boards dredge up posts to abuse people, I shake my head, then realise they are children, bored on school holidays.

However when a man in his 50's does it ...

Get help, you gutless fool.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Mead
Hey, and Kuepps, how does it feel to be WOEFULLY wrong about west coast's forward line? No key forwards huh? Last time i checked, we are currently the most potent scoring team in the AFL. And our full forward is equal first in Goals kicked in the league.

Ahh another one who waits til after the event to have an opinion, how quaint.

No, I dont think you have any long term key forwards, and I stand by it.

Please list me these burgeoning ranks of key forwards, I see wilson, who is 30 (31 this year? nor sure) who is doing a great job at Full Forward, exceeding everyones expectations, including your own suppoprters, who you seem to be reticent to draw attention to, how unlike you balanced west coast supporters.

But aftre that, run me through these key forwards, yes you lead the comp in goal kicking - what number is your defense ranked at again - nothing wrong with it, just asking, as that seems to have been ignored.

Funny how idiot statements come back to bite u in the bum.

Not really, as I at least have the guts to state them beforehand, and stand by them afterward unlike you, my jellybacked friend, who takes hindisght as his weapon and waves it arrogantly for all to see.

Sorry, How many goals did your superstar forward line get against Geelong?

My "superstar forwardline" (your words) didnt produce on the weekend, and we lost.

However, in true fashion, I didnt hear you pipe up last week after we kicked 18 goals, I wonder why that would be - a lack of testicular fortitude methinks.

So feel free to have a crack, your perogative ... I stand tall knowing I made my comments, and have yet to see anything that radically changes them, I still believe you lack keyforwards, that simple.

But please, wait until the end of the year, and use statistics to show me a bolter from nowhere kicked 50 (and good on them) and show me how wrong I was, thats the way it works around here isnt it?

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by sabre_ac
Its 5 games in and Polak played half a game before getting injured.Hes only 17 and a key position player who everyone knows takes time to develop.
How any comparison can be made at this point is beyond me.
Who knows he could be the next Kernahan (as touted) or the next carey.
Nobody knows untill his career has peaked.

Ahh, so if Polak needs time to develop because he's a key position player its perfectly fine. But if McDougall needs time to develop he's a "useless hack". Hypocrisy at its best.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
Ahh, so if Polak needs time to develop because he's a key position player its perfectly fine. But if McDougall needs time to develop he's a "useless hack". Hypocrisy at its best.

Polak played all preseason games.

Polak played an AFL game, and sadly dislocated his shoulder after 15 mins on the field this year.

hardly similar, i wouldnt have thought.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes


Ahh, so if Polak needs time to develop because he's a key position player its perfectly fine. But if McDougall needs time to develop he's a "useless hack". Hypocrisy at its best.

McDougal hasnt played 1 game yet for the side.
If you ever catch me suggesting that Seaby is under performing by all means call me a hypocrite, otherwise please look up the word in the dictionary.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by kuepper
Polak played all preseason games.

Polak played an AFL game, and sadly dislocated his shoulder after 15 mins on the field this year.

hardly similar, i wouldnt have thought.

McDougall missed last season due to injury. This season he's only just come back from injury as well. Where's the difference? Neither has had the chance to prove themselves due to injury.

But thats beyond the point. I was merely showing how Sabre craps on about how McDougall is a hack, and now turns around and says Polak needs time to develop. Get what I'm saying?

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Macca19


You cant admit you are wrong can you Sabre? West Coasts key player department is looking fine. Nad even if it wasnt...its not as if they are going to have the same side for the next 5 years. Most likely they will trade and recruit new key players anyway.

Lets have a look see shall we:

Dean Cox - has shown he has a lot of promise and can hold down the ruck well. Will certainly turn into a very consistent good player for WC.

Andrew Embley - has played a few good games this year. If he gets consistency he will be a good player for many years to come

Michael Gardiner - one of the best ruckmen in the competition who can also play very well at CHF. A star in his own right

Travis Gaspar - has played bloody well in his few games this year. Seems to have a lot of talent and looks like he will become a good future player

Darren Glass - has been brilliant so far this season. A very good player who will play many many games for the Eagles

Ashley Hansen - havent seen him play but was rated very highly by scouts last year as a key forward.

Adam Hunter - been consistently good this season and looks to have taken the next step in his game. Will be another good future player for the Eagles.

Glen Jackovich - Probably 2 season left in him and he is playing as good as ever this season

Andrew Mcdougall - Havent seen him play but from all reports he seems to be developing reasonably well at WAFL level.

Ashley Mcintosh - Maybe 1 or 2 years left in him and if he plays as a forward could be handy for between 30-50 goals a year.

Mark Seaby - Havent seen him play

David Sierakowski - an important player to the team. Can hold down any key position and is a good experienced player.

Troy Wilson - there is no reason why he cant play on for another 4-5 years. If he is fit and good enough he should be able to. There is no rule that says a player must retire once past 30.

Brent Tuckey - had a reasonable pre season and definatly can play fairly well. Will be a good backup forward.

So much for not having any bloody young key position players! Cox, Embley, Gardiner, Seaby, Tuckey, Mcdougall, Hunter, Glass, Gaspar are all young and most have cememnted themselves in the top 22-26 players at their club.
Take away your rose coloured glasses Sabre. You rate Dion Woods so bloody highly yet you dont even rate half the West Coast side, which shows your hypocrisy and one eyed nature especially when Dion Woods has done no better than the likes of Glass, Hunter, Gaspar, Embley and Cox - all players who you obviously dont rate.

Cox: and Simmonds are on the same level, adequate ruckman at best that will never take the competition by storm.

Embly: like another supporter on this site pointed out plays one good game every 5 and is a passenger the rest.Hardly a player to hang your hat on.

Gardiner: Granted a very good key position player

Gasper: Nothing special and is constantly talked up by his eagle supporters

Glass: Solid defender that has shocking kicking skills, though I rate him as your second best key position player.

Hansen,hunter:hacks

Jacko,Macca:Wont be around for much longer and hence why they should have been replaced.

McDougal:Yet to play a game and is on track to never play a game.

Siera: Havent seen much of him.

Seaby: Hasnt playe a game

Tuckey:Collingwood reject.

Ok so for younger key position players, ranking wise.
Gardiner-Daylight-Glass,Gasper,Embly,Cox.

Looks a pretty weak list as far as YOUNG key position players go.
Jacko and Macca still proping this side up.
Wilson is famous for his second half of the season fade outs.

Well thank you macca you just concerned my beliefs that the eagles would have been better served drafting a key position player.
Not to mention Judd is from over east.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

To be fair, it wasn't only Freo supporters questioning the decision to take Judd over Polak.

I was really, really pissed when it happened.

But since then a few things have made me much happier:

- Judd has shown that he will be an absolute superstar, and will join with Cuzz, Kerr & Wirra to form one hell of a potent midfield.
- Travis Gaspar has played two ripper games at CHF this year, and he'll keep getting better and better.
- McDougall looks the goods.

I still think we're lacking another quality, young key position player (Travis can't play at both ends) but there is still time to fill that. Polak would have been great, but I think the club made the right choice in the end.

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes


McDougall missed last season due to injury. This season he's only just come back from injury as well. Where's the difference? Neither has had the chance to prove themselves due to injury.

But thats beyond the point. I was merely showing how Sabre craps on about how McDougall is a hack, and now turns around and says Polak needs time to develop. Get what I'm saying?

Polak has played games and McDougal certainly wasnt injured for the entire season.

I never said McDougal is a hack that is a blatant lie, I said he was commitement issues, and doesnt seem to have the goods.
Of course he needs time to develop,but he should have made his debut by now.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
McDougall missed last season due to injury. This season he's only just come back from injury as well. Where's the difference? Neither has had the chance to prove themselves due to injury.

I do see the point you are making, I was under the assumption that Mcdougall played alot of WAFL last year, and certainly has the first few rounds this year, but if I am mistaken, will admit it, happily even

But thats beyond the point. I was merely showing how Sabre craps on about how McDougall is a hack, and now turns around and says Polak needs time to develop. Get what I'm saying?

I do - but feel the players are slightly different, Mcdougalls main 'injury' is mental from all I hear, from his peers at schol, and reports filtering down - he is mentally very immature, and to be honest, think that poses alot more of a problem than anything else.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
To be fair, it wasn't only Freo supporters questioning the decision to take Judd over Polak.

I was really, really pissed when it happened.

Thank you buzz, if only more of your supporters were as honest as you.

Did I just say that?

I think I need a good lie down.

 

[TheRealBuzz]

I'm getting really sick of this McDougall crap.

He was taken in the 2000 draft for Christ's sake!!!
And he was always going to ba e long-term prospect.

Last year was his FIRST season at the Eagles.
He had constant soft tissue injuries, and never strung more than 3-4 games together at WAFL level. He played about 11-12 all up.

This year he suffered a bad ankle injury during the pre-season.
He's played three games since coming back, and was one of Perth's best last week and this week.

And as for all this attitude crap - It's just that - CRAP.
You wouldn't have a clue.

He piled on 7-8 kg of muscle over the pre-season.
Doesn't sound like he's not committed to me.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
And as for all this attitude crap - It's just that - CRAP.
You wouldn't have a clue.

Ahh now there's the irrational buzz I know and err like.

Now I must take umbrage at that squire, I do know, 3 seperate people, who all spent time with him, over many years of schoolboy football.
Before, during and afterwards, all of them agreed that he had all the physical tools to get the job done, and be a champion - but the big question was on him mentally, as he was very very much the child.

Now I am sure you, in your self appointed cheerleader status for your club knows better that people who have known him literally for a third of his life, and I stand corrected and bow down to you, especially your captialisaion of CRAP which is what swayed me, personally.

 

[Mead]

Originally posted by kuepper

Ahh another one who waits til after the event to have an opinion, how quaint.

No, I dont think you have any long term key forwards, and I stand by it.

Please list me these burgeoning ranks of key forwards, I see wilson, who is 30 (31 this year? nor sure) who is doing a great job at Full Forward, exceeding everyones expectations, including your own suppoprters, who you seem to be reticent to draw attention to, how unlike you balanced west coast supporters.

But aftre that, run me through these key forwards, yes you lead the comp in goal kicking - what number is your defense ranked at again - nothing wrong with it, just asking, as that seems to have been ignored.

As a matter of fact, iirc at the start of this year I said that our forward line was perfectly fine, just so long as it was getting adequate delivery from the midfield- Leading out, marking a perfectly directed ball,and kicking straight on goal, is not really that terrifyingly difficult. Now, take Wilson- he is an excellent forward, does his job very well indeed, but the reason Wilson has kicked 20 goals in 5 games is not because he is has become a wonderful forward overnight, it is because he is getting far better delivery this year than he did last year. For example, I don't think Brisbane's forwards are all that excellent, they just get awe inspiringly good delivery when their midfield fires. Thus, i've always said that if you have a good midfield, the rest follows. That was my opinion mid last year, that was my opinion preseason, and damned if that still isn't my opinion. Now, anyway, our key forwards- Wilson,nuff said. Williams, has turned a corner this year. Fido, lethal. Gardiner, optimum tall marking CHF when he plays there. Embley- inconsistent, probably on notice to put up or get out. Now anyway, the point is moot, simply because, as i said, i don't really think it matter just what cattle you put in front of a perfectly directed, perfectly timed kick from the midfield.
Now, onto our defense. Yes, our defense isn't exactly spectacular. 12th in the league, i believe. Did you have a point with that, or was it just a case of wanting to take 'hindsight as your weapon, and wave it arrogantly for all to see'.

Originally posted by kuepper
Not really, as I at least have the guts to state them beforehand, and stand by them afterward unlike you, my jellybacked friend, who takes hindisght as his weapon and waves it arrogantly for all to see.

My "superstar forwardline" (your words) didnt produce on the weekend, and we lost.

However, in true fashion, I didnt hear you pipe up last week after we kicked 18 goals, I wonder why that would be - a lack of testicular fortitude methinks.

So feel free to have a crack, your perogative ... I stand tall knowing I made my comments, and have yet to see anything that radically changes them, I still believe you lack keyforwards, that simple.

But please, wait until the end of the year, and use statistics to show me a bolter from nowhere kicked 50 (and good on them) and show me how wrong I was, thats the way it works around here isnt it?

I find it rather droll that you take pride in having made stupid statements. Congratulations, you gutsy, fine specimen of Australian manhood. Gutsy, but alas, stupid. So you shot your mouth off about things you obviously didn't know anything about, and were proved wrong. Now, you plan to stand by them anyway, and be totally irrational about it. Very gutsy, very stupid.

Person A: The Sky is going to be bright yellow today.
Person B: No it won't.
Person A: Trust me, it is. It really will be.
Person B: (waits) Okay, its 12 noon, and the sky is blue. You are an idiot.
Person A: No way. I am gutsy. The Sky will be bright yellow today.

Your star forward line is 9th best in the league, nuff said. And i stand by what I originally said about our forward line. Having a good midfield is far more important- any average forward line looks excellent if it is getting more delivery. It is for that reason, whilst, on the day of the draft, i must confess i wanted Polak, I came around to being happy with Judd. A quality midfielder beats a quality forward anytime.
Now, some predictions, feel free to judge my testicular fortitude by them later in the season-
Troy Wilson will place in the top 5 goal kickers in the league, and seriously threaten for the Coleman.

Andrew Williams will cement his spot in the team as classy half forward flanker. At the end of the season he will average better than 2 goals a game.

The Eagles will continue to get around six or better goals from their midfield for the entire season.

and finally- It is my considered opinion that West Coast will finish above fremantle this season
happy?

 

[TheRealBuzz]

Kuep,

So because you have heard second hand information from people who may/may not have known him in high school, you just assume that he's still a child.

Guess what, at high school most people are children.
A shock, I know.

And of course he couldn't possibly have matured at all in the short time he's spent at a club which has leaders like Jakovich & Worsfold - who epitomise the word professional.
I'm the same age as McDougall, and I think I have changed dramatically as a person since I finished High School two years ago. But maybe that's just me.

I don't claim to have a clue about what sort of person he is, and quite frankly I don't think you should either.
You don't know him, and you've probably never even seen him in the flesh.

P.S. I liked the way you just ignored the first part of my post, and instead chose to focus on one single line at the end.

Perhaps the first couple of paragraphs made a bit too much sense? Perhaps you realised that the very, very young bloke had it quite tough in his first year at the club?

Not all clubs blood their youngsters just for the hell of it.
Some actually wait until they're ready.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by Mead
happy? [/B]

Very, thank you.

 

[Macca19]

Originally posted by sabre_ac


Cox: and Simmonds are on the same level, adequate ruckman at best that will never take the competition by storm.

Its his second season of AFL football and is only 21. So far he has shown he has enough ability to play AFL football on a regular basis.

Gasper: Nothing special and is constantly talked up by his eagle supporters

Your mob do the same with Dion Woods, so how come Dion Woods is this mercurial superstar who can play all 18 positions at the same time yet Gaspar is nothing special?

Hansen,hunter:hacks

Id love to know how many games of football youve seen Ashley Hansen play. Im more likely to side with the team Scouts who rated Hansen extremely highly instead of a one eyed fremantle supporter who thinks West Coast only has 3 good players.

Jacko,Macca:Wont be around for much longer and hence why they should have been replaced.

West Coast (and most of the AFL) are different to Fremantle. They dont throw their youngsters in the deep end and expect them to hold down key positions from their first year. They give them a good upbringing in the WAFL and them serve an 'apprenticeship' and learn from the old stars. Examples being Port Adelaide with Morgan and Thurstans both being long term projects as key defenders who have been on the list since 1999 yet havent played a game..but have learned the trade in the SANFL and are going to be perfect replacements for Paxman and Mead. So why should Jackovich and Mcintosh be dropped for underdone youngsters who probably arent ready to be the clubs main key position defenders?

McDougal:Yet to play a game and is on track to never play a game.

Going by that theory there is about 60 players on AFL lists at the moment who havent played a game and will never play a game.

Looks a pretty weak list as far as YOUNG key position players go.

from a biased one eyed Fremantle supporters point of view.

Jacko and Macca still proping this side up.

So they should. No point throwing underdone youngsters in the deep end when they arent ready (ie. Fremantle)

Wilson is famous for his second half of the season fade outs.

After one season?? I wonder if he goes on and kicks 70-100 goals this year if youll swallow your pride and admit he has had a good season?

Not to mention Judd is from over east.

As is Leigh Brown, Clive Waterhouse, Trent Croad, Simon Eastaugh, Steven Koops, Troy Simmonds, Scott Thornton, Andrew Shipp, James Walker, Andrew Siegert, Adam Mcphee and Matthew Pavlich.
What a pity youll lose all those players because they are 'from over east'.

 

[kuepper]

Originally posted by TheRealBuzz
Kuep,

Yes buzz, how are you today?

So because you have heard second hand information from people who may/may not have known him in high school, you just assume that he's still a child.

No, it is first hand follow the bouncing ball here.

They went to school, and played football with him for 6 years, they told me - I have known them for far too long, as this was discussed before, - heres i'll use caps: BEFORE he started playing football for the wet toast, that he would be drafted, but he was an immature imbecile - i am merely the messenger, take it as you will.

Guess what, at high school most people are children.
A shock, I know.

Such wit, wated on a forum such as this. Just for reference, how old is say Mcgough, who won BOG on ANzac day, or Judd, who leigh mathews wishes he was - just for refernce mind you.

And of course he couldn't possibly have matured at all in the short time he's spent at a club which has leaders like Jakovich & Worsfold - who epitomise the word professional.
I'm the same age as McDougall, and I think I have changed dramatically as a person since I finished High School two years ago. But maybe that's just me.

Im not sure if i want to know what changes you have been through *shudder*

And once again, I have no idea, as I sad above, thats how the rumour goes, and all I di was retell it with facts - not anecdotes about how possibly Jacko has changed the man, or woosha, cold hard facts, based on 1st hand knowledge of him.

I don't claim to have a clue about what sort of person he is, and quite frankly I don't think you should either.

So affter all that, you admit you have no idea, but can spend 300 or so words hypothesising beforehand - fair enough, and to be frank with you, I'll do as I please, but thanks for the advise.

You don't know him, and you've probably never even seen him in the flesh.

Well he and a few of the aforementioned cronies were at a party 2 or so years ago, but i'd hardly call us best mates ... not relevant anyway, i'd have thought.

P.S. I liked the way you just ignored the first part of my post, and instead chose to focus on one single line at the end.

Its called relevence, I commented on his mental maturity, you went off on atangent, and i merely commented on the only part of your distraibe that was relevant.

Perhaps the first couple of paragraphs made a bit too much sense? Perhaps you realised that the very, very young bloke had it quite tough in his first year at the club?

Is that violin I hear accompanying tha heart wrenching tale - I can feel a mini series coming already.

Not all clubs blood their youngsters just for the hell of it.
Some actually wait until they're ready.

How zen.

I dont know how many times i have to say this, but I'll give it one last throw.

I think he maybe a player, he has all the physical skills, o question (I think my post originally used the word champion even, but i digress) from what I have seen, and been told, his head, in the past, wasn't screwed on, and he was immature.

Now yes, he may have changed, or he may not of, who knows - I dont, nor profess to, i mrely tells it as i see it young buzz.

 

[Visro]

Seriously, why bother? Sabre is never going to admit that he is wrong with anything in relation to WC.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by Visro
Seriously, why bother? Sabre is never going to admit that he is wrong with anything in relation to WC.

Visro

I've just noticed your signing-off byline - aren't you missing a victim in Round 1?

 

[sabre_ac]

Originally posted by Voice of Reason


Visro

I've just noticed your signing-off byline - aren't you missing a victim in Round 1?

Maybe hes not as jilted/anti freo as your good self