Holt moly... Tom morris reckons Oscar Baker playing instead of Caleb Daniel is a bizarre call.............. Reminding me again of why he is a gutter journalist.
What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 4
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Its quite frustrating when journalists bag the likes of Baker, Gallagher & Bramble just because they don’t have the profiles of others.
Gallagher was literally just named the rising star and the other two have put in many solid performances this year whilst some other senior players have put in stinkers.
Again team selection has been up to standard this year. It’s lazy journalism. Other aspects of coaching, including why senior players are severely underperforming is the real issue.
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WESTERN Bulldogs vice-captain Tom Liberatore has been cleared to return to action once he exits concussion protocols after passing a series of medical assessments on Tuesday.
The 31-year-old won't face St Kilda on Thursday night after being placed into the League's concussion protocols on Saturday, following an incident behind play last Friday night where the midfielder collapsed to the ground at Marvel Stadium.
Liberatore passed a SCAT6 concussion assessment in the rooms after the final siren on Friday night and didn't display any symptoms over the weekend.
But due to the graphic nature of the incident, the club put Liberatore through a range of medical tests on Monday afternoon.
Liberatore was assessed for cardiovascular and respiratory issues and was medically cleared on Tuesday afternoon.
Sporting clubs around the globe have become hyper vigilant to heart related issues following the cardiac arrest suffered by Danish footballer Christian Eriksen during the Euros in 2021, while Luton Town captain Tom Lockyer suffered the same issue and collapsed twice in the space of six months last year.
Liberatore is expected to return against Fremantle next Saturday night if he continues to transition through the protocols without any setbacks.
The Western Bulldogs didn't hesitate erring on the side of caution on the weekend, given the veteran's concussion history.
Liberatore entered the AFL's concussion protocols twice last year following incidents against Fremantle in round seven and Hawthorn in round 22.The club reached the decision on Saturday after consultation with AFL medical boss Dr. Michael Makdissi.
WESTERN Bulldogs vice-captain Tom Liberatore has been cleared to return to action once he exits concussion protocols after passing a series of medical assessments on Tuesday.
The 31-year-old won't face St Kilda on Thursday night after being placed into the League's concussion protocols on Saturday, following an incident behind play last Friday night where the midfielder collapsed to the ground at Marvel Stadium.
Liberatore passed a SCAT6 concussion assessment in the rooms after the final siren on Friday night and didn't display any symptoms over the weekend.
But due to the graphic nature of the incident, the club put Liberatore through a range of medical tests on Monday afternoon.
Liberatore was assessed for cardiovascular and respiratory issues and was medically cleared on Tuesday afternoon.
Sporting clubs around the globe have become hyper vigilant to heart related issues following the cardiac arrest suffered by Danish footballer Christian Eriksen during the Euros in 2021, while Luton Town captain Tom Lockyer suffered the same issue and collapsed twice in the space of six months last year.
Liberatore is expected to return against Fremantle next Saturday night if he continues to transition through the protocols without any setbacks.
The Western Bulldogs didn't hesitate erring on the side of caution on the weekend, given the veteran's concussion history.
Liberatore entered the AFL's concussion protocols twice last year following incidents against Fremantle in round seven and Hawthorn in round 22.The club reached the decision on Saturday after consultation with AFL medical boss Dr. Michael Makdissi.
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Maybe this is the way Bevo always likes coaching. From his VAFA days he was taking a team from C grade to B grade to A grade. But how did he go once they were top dog?
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Meh, its just a not so original alternate take of Korn Cains view on playing Bramble and Dale as a sub.
These guys dont watch closely enough to understand anything as nuanced as form over 80+ minutes or gasp! strings of games.
Its much easy to judge players by their reputation and then use that reputation as a means to pile on in the lemming like fashion that they currently are. It all the sweeter if their ill-conceived views further long standing agendas.
It's how they roll.
BARRETT: Time for under-pressure Dogs to get the message
Mounting losses have left Luke Beveridge and his players facing an uphill battle in 2024, Damian Barrett writesELITE football administrators and coaches regularly talk internally about the controllables and the uncontrollables.
Their logic is simple: if you don't properly manage the basic, day-to-day events inside your business, then you will have no hope of dealing with the unexpected developments that are never far from potentially destroying grand plans.
For the Western Bulldogs, the back half of 2023 and beginning of 2024 has been a period in which they have struggled on many controllable fronts, leading to a dreadful finish to last season and a worrying start to the new one.
The Bulldogs weren't supposed to miss finals last year, but inexplicable losses to Hawthorn and West Coast in rounds 22 and 23 saw that happen, and a 2-3 scoreline this year (wins against West Coast and Gold Coast, losses to Melbourne, Geelong and Essendon) has already ramped up pressure to extreme levels.
Given the quality of player that coach Luke Beveridge has on his list, the mounting losses are becoming damning. The on-field results are not being aided by events in the usually controllable space of public messaging, with Beveridge adversely contributing here, too.
The coach ventured down some weird paths in his post-match media conference last Friday night after the loss to the Bombers, in the latest edition of mixed Bulldogs messaging which stretches back to CEO Ameet Bains in early July last year stating publicly a view which had the Dogs possessing a top-four playing list. The Dogs had started the 2023 season 7-3 and on that day had a 9-6 scoreline. Since round 10 last year, they have won seven and lost 11 games.
The dismissal late last season of Beveridge's trusted assistant Rohan Smithled to an angst between Beveridge and the Bulldogs' head of football, Chris Grant, which has not been repaired.
In my eyes, the Bulldogs had no choice but to re-contract Beveridge at the start of 2023, through to the end of 2025. Since inheriting a broken team late in 2014, he had twice taken his club to a Grand Final, for a win in 2016 and a loss in 2021, and despite failing to win a final in any other season, he had earned the right to an extension.
But the club itself second-guessed that decision a year later when president Kylie Watson-Wheeler and Bains commissioned corporate football's gun-for-hire Peter Jackson to review football department operations.
Again, a mixed message, particularly when Watson-Wheeler said publicly that Beveridge himself was not the focus of the review, only the department itself and the processes within it.
An outcome of that review saw Matthew Egan, who had joined the club in October as coaching and performance manager, pitchforked into being general manager of football operations. Beveridge's line of command was changed from reporting to Grant to Egan.
The problems at the Bulldogs had been evident long before Beveridge's confusing media appearance last Saturday, which included rambling references relating to team selection, pain of failure, an unknown future, missed opportunities and an effective acknowledgment that his project player James O'Donnell was recalled for the Essendon game to have him ready for the next match against St Kilda, this Thursday.
All-Australian players Caleb Daniel, Jack Macrae and Bailey Dale have all been signed long-term to the Bulldogs, respectively to the end of 2026, 2027 and 2027. More mixed messaging, as well as a clear disconnect between Bulldogs' list management and team selection, has come in the form of that trio all experiencing the substitute vest in 2024, and Daniel even being omitted, while Oskar Baker, delisted by Melbourne at the end of 2022, and Lachie Bramble, delisted by Hawthorn at the end of last year, are being given games.
Rory Lobb was wooed by Beveridge himself when he was available at the end of 2022. He too has a Bulldogs contract until the end of 2026, but is currently mired in the VFL.
Pre-season, Beveridge volunteered that Ryley Sanders was the best first-year player he had seen in his time at the Bulldogs. He subbed Sanders out of his debut game, and again put him in the sub vest last Saturday night.
The Bulldogs have on their list some of the game's best players, including Marcus Bontempelli, Jamarra Ugle-Hagan and Tom Liberatore. They also have the All-Australian ruckman of 2023, Tim English, and key forward Aaron Naughton, who was valued so highly the club last year gave him a contract to the end of 2032. The latter two have not been playing at optimum levels this year.
Bulldogs problems also stretch to the indecision of Bailey Smith, who is out of contract at the end of the year and is considering offers from Geelong, Collingwood and Hawthorn.
Ruckman English is also deliberating his future, though suitor West Coast is believed to have tempered its interest in recent months.
At 2-3, and with St Kilda awaiting on Thursday night at Marvel Stadium, the Bulldogs' season is not yet a write off.
But in his 10th season, Beveridge is coaching for his career. There is no mixed messaging about that.
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Absolutely nothing new in that Damo article. Probably just pumped a number of recently published articles into ChatGPT and said mince that into a new story for me please.
It's just padding. A mid-week space filler, pure and simple.
It's just padding. A mid-week space filler, pure and simple.
I didn’t like his little crack at JOD either he needs to play.
I didn’t like it either it’s kind of pathetic but what do you expect from Barrett
Kornes has absolutely hated the Dogs since Minson sledged him about his sick son (which was deplorable from Will). Minson - from Adelaide remember, albeit a Bombers supporter growing up - always had bad blood from the way Poort, and in particular, Kornes and Cornes had treated his brother Hugh who suffered various injuries and was handle poorly. Kornes had it coming - the problem was Will delivered it the wrong way.
Kornes has literally been out there saying Bevo should be sacked. He should be more worried about the impact the botox is having on his crows feet (Matthew Lloyd should too) than whether our coach should lose his livelihood - what on earth would he know?
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Robbo is Bevo's only mate in the media.
But I do think it's one of his better pieces
Can we once and for all set the record straight about that Minson/Cornes incident...
He didn't sledge him, he said he would be better off at home with his son who was very sick.
It's the fact that he actually brought up the subject that seems to get everyone riled up but he never said anything disparaging about his son.
Why the Western Bulldogs' premiership window is far from closed despite Luke Beveridge's 'reality' to fans
By Chris De SilvaPosted Yesterday at 7:04am, updated Yesterday at 11:14am
Western Bulldogs head coach Luke Beveridge has had tactics questioned, but his side may not be as far away from a run at the grand final as fans may fear.(AAP: Morgan Hancock)
Is there any team in the AFL that is currently more confusing than the Western Bulldogs?
Just over two years on from a grand final appearance, Luke Beveridge's side currently sits 11th on the ladder with a 2-3 record following a deflating loss to Essendon in Round 5.
Beveridge is now into his 10th season at the helm of the Bulldogs in a tenure that virtually began with a fairytale run to a drought-breaking premiership in 2016.
One of the hallmarks of the Beveridge era has been the 53-year-old's tendency to make left-field team selections — either playing players out of position or dropping them — and the veteran coach is at it again.
So far in 2024 Beveridge has dropped three All-Australians — Caleb Daniel, Jack Macrae and Bailey Dale — prompting questions over where exactly the Bulldogs stand in the AFL's premiership race.
Many experts believe Beveridge's selections are a sign that the Bulldogs as we know them might be done as one of the AFL's bona-fide premiership contenders. But are they really done with winning?
What's happened since the 2016 premiership?
A proper analysis of the Beveridge era cannot begin without dissecting the 2016 premiership, which still remains one of the most unlikely flag wins in the last three decades.Of the 22 players that upset Sydney in the 2016 decider, just five remain on the Bulldogs' current list: Marcus Bontempelli, Tom Liberatore, Jason Johannisen, Jack Macrae and Caleb Daniel.
Five more players from the 2016 team remain active at other clubs: Joel Hamling (Sydney), Lachie Hunter (Melbourne), Zaine Cordy (St Kilda), Jake Stringer (Essendon), and Josh Dunkley (Brisbane).
The Bulldogs famously won the premiership from seventh on the ladder, upsetting the sixth-placed Eagles, the third-placed Hawks and the fourth-placed Giants, before toppling the AFL's minor premiers in the grand final.
Marcus Bontempelli and Tom Liberatore are two of just five players from the 2016 premiership side that still remain on the Bulldogs list. (Getty Images: Quinn Rooney)
Since then, Beveridge's charges have finished better than seventh on one occasion, finishing fifth in 2022.
They threatened to mimic the fairytale 2016 run in 2021, once again making the grand final from seventh before being smashed by Melbourne.
Aside from the 2021 finals campaign, the Dogs have been eliminated at the first time of asking on three occasions and missed the finals entirely on three other occasions, the most recent being last year's ninth-placed finish.
It is a poor return by any metric, given the level of star power that the Bulldogs have possessed over the last decade.
Since 2016, when Marcus Bontempelli was the team's sole All-Australian, the Bulldogs have had multiple players in the All-Australian team on four separate occasions.
Bontempelli leads the pack with four All-Australian jackets, followed by Macrae (two) and Dale, Daniel and Tim English, who all have one each.
Where does the current list rank compared to recent premiers?
While there has been significant turnover from the 2016 premiership team, a large portion of the team that played in the 2021 grand final remains on the Bulldogs list.Of the 23 players selected that day, 15 are still in Bulldogs colours.
The Bulldogs list ranked sixth in terms of average age (24.8) and average games (76.3) coming into this season, per AFL.com.au stats.
It's a list demographic that should see the Bulldogs still well and truly in the premiership hunt.
In terms of average games played, only the 2015 Hawks (third) and the 2022 Cats (first) have won the flag without ranking between fifth and 10th on the average games played ranking, per Draftguru stats.
Beveridge's 2016 Bulldogs were the least experienced premiers in the last decade, ranking 10th in terms of average games played. It's a ranking that makes sense when looking back, with Bontempelli, Macrae, Liberatore, Daniel and Johannisen all aged between 20-24 at the time of the grand final.
Axing the likes of Macrae, Daniel and Dale, all players still in the prime age bracket is risky, but it appears the Bulldogs are attempting to operate on two separate timelines by blooding some youth around its veteran core.
"Even though we're evolving and there's some changes in the personnel at different times, the players themselves have created an internal pressure for spots, and that's all OK if you end up being a formidable team, right now we're not," Beveridge said after the loss to Essendon.
"We need to make sure we do what we can, whether it's the players or our supporting staff, just to make sure that we capitalise on the week-to-week, and we're missing out on some opportunities.
"I understand if people aren't sure about where we sit in the scheme of things, but that's just the reality."
The good news for Bulldogs fans is that other teams have similarly operated on separate timelines in recent years and have enjoyed success.
The common theme? All have been able to welcome a steady stream of high-end talent courtesy of either father-son or academy selections to complement more experienced cores.
Collingwood has been boosted by the arrival of Nick Daicos via the father-son rule, while the Giants and Swans have been blessed by their respective academies yielding the likes of Isaac Heeney, Callum Mills, Nick Blakey, Braden Campbell and Tom Green.
The Bulldogs have enjoyed this luxury on both fronts. They were able to take Jamarra Ugle-Hagan first overall in 2020 as a Next Generation Academy selection, and picked Sam Darcy second overall the following year via the father-son rule. Last year's number 15 pick Jordan Croft and Rhylee West are other father-son additions coming through the ranks.
Tim English has become one of the AFL's premier ruckmen since being taken No.19 overall by the Bulldogs in the 2016 draft.(Getty: Quinn Rooney)
As the Magpies, Swans and Giants have shown through their rapid rises up the ladder, drafting well around father-son and academy selections is essential, and the Bulldogs have also done well in this regard.
The club has virtually hit on every top 20 pick it's had since the 2016 premiership, landing stars such as Tim English (number 19, 2016), Aaron Naughton (number 9, 2017) and Bailey Smith (number 7, 2018) via the draft.
Given the club's successful drafting of late, Beveridge is clearly not afraid to trust the new crop of kids coming through.
"I'll always coach and our coaches and decision-makers will always make decisions for the now, but we need to make sure that we give opportunities to young players that are going to be important players in the future as much as now," he said.
"It is a pretty steep learning curve at this level for guys who haven't played many games, but in no way, shape, or form are we saying that we're doing it for next year or the year after or something like that."
What are the Bulldogs doing differently this year?
The Bulldogs ranked second in clearances in their premiership year in 2016, but then immediately suffered a drop-off the following year, ranking second-last.However, as Beveridge's on-ball brigade from 2016 has matured, they've gradually become one of the more formidable clearance teams in the competition.
Since 2020, where they ranked ninth in total clearances, the Bulldogs have ranked in the top five every year, per AFL Tables stats.
After ranking fifth last year, the Bulldogs have slipped back down to eighth in total clearances so far this season.
The drop-off was evident on Friday night when the Dogs were beaten 34-28 in clearances and 16-10 out of the middle by a younger Bombers midfield group.
Star midfielder Jack Macrae's future at the Bulldogs is looking increasingly cloudy after a significant role change this season.(AFL Photos via Getty Images: Michael Willson)
Beveridge's centre bounce midfield of choice has largely been the trio of Bontempelli, Liberatore and Macrae over the last five seasons, but that's changed over the last two years.
The arrival of Adam Treloar via trade has seen a drastic shift in Macrae's role in particular.
Macrae led the Bulldogs midfielders in centre bounces attended just two seasons ago, getting to 64 per cent of them.
Last year that dropped to just 36 per cent, as he was overtaken by Treloar.
So far this year, the left-footer has dropped even further down the pecking order, with last year's number 6 pick Ryley Sanders having attended more centre bounces through five matches (45 to 23), per DFS Australia stats.
Treloar, Bontempelli and Liberatore remain the centre bounce trio of choice for Beveridge.
At 29, it appears unclear whether Macrae is a part of Beveridge's long-term plan, despite being contracted through 2027. Once one of the AFL's most dominant ball-winners, he's likely to have significant currency if made available at the end of the season.
Luke Beveridge is the fifth longest-tenured coach in the AFL and is out of contract at the end of 2025.(Getty Images: Michael Willson/AFL Photos)
Could the Bulldogs offload him like Collingwood did with Brodie Grundy at the end of 2022 to maintain cap flexibility? It's certainly possible.
The futures of Smith, Dale and Daniel are also well and truly up in the air, meaning we could see a significant shuffling of the deck chairs this summer at the Whitten Oval.
Where to next?
All of this brings Beveridge's future into the spotlight.While the 2016 premiership has given him significant credits among the club's powerbrokers, they will be aware that he is now the fifth longest-tenured coach in the AFL behind Sydney's John Longmire, Geelong's Chris Scott, Port's Ken Hinkley and West Coast's Adam Simpson.
Beveridge is out of contract at the end of 2025 and has seen significant off-field upheaval around him over the last 18 months.
If the league's recent history is anything to go by, the Bulldogs are every chance to spike back up the ladder in the coming years. Whether Beveridge remains at the helm to see the success is another question.
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The fact that this article uses total clearances not clearance differential shows how much stock we should put into it.
AFL Statistics Team Rankings for Season 2017
AFL Statistics Team Rankings for Season 2017.
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We were not the second-worst clearance team in 2017 by any common sense statistical measure.
Listening to the 'media' this week, I think a lot of posters on here have hit the nail on the head.
There is no nuance to players performance in the media.
Just because Bailey Dale was AA in 2021 doesn't mean he's any chop now.
McRae & Daniel don't appear to fit the mold of the player required for the fast ball movement we are attempting.
I understand why they arent in the team.
IMO the issue is we shouldn't be offering long term deals any longer.
Due to those players contracts we will have issues moving them on.
We are reaping what we have sown.
There is no nuance to players performance in the media.
Just because Bailey Dale was AA in 2021 doesn't mean he's any chop now.
McRae & Daniel don't appear to fit the mold of the player required for the fast ball movement we are attempting.
I understand why they arent in the team.
IMO the issue is we shouldn't be offering long term deals any longer.
Due to those players contracts we will have issues moving them on.
We are reaping what we have sown.
Getting good use out of his disposal as well, currently ranked 2nd at the club for average score assists per game behind Bont...
Average Score Assists (2024)
2.0 - Bontempelli
1.7 - Macrae
1.4 - Naughton
1.2 - Treloar
1.2 - West
1.0 - Baker
1.0 - Johannisen
0.8 - Gallagher
0.8 - Liberatore
0.8 - Weightman
0.7 - Duryea
0.6 - English
0.6 - Vandermeer
0.5 - Richards
0.4 - Dale
0.4 - Sanders
0.4 - Ugle-Hagen
0.3 - Daniel
0.2 - Bramble
0.2 - Williams
The Bulldogs are all over the media this week it has been a very very long time since we have been under so much scrutiny
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Putting him as the sub against Geelong was a huge mistake,
Out of all of the mistakes this year that is the biggest, Daniel Dale McRae are not sub material, Poulter baker vdm are, as a sub you need pure pace or pure toughness, vdm or Baker are our best bets,
I've been a huge fan of bevo but how badly they managed McCrae saying he's injured so needs to get fitness (which is ok) but not doing the same with Dale whom was injured also and whom has played worse every game,
Treloar needs to fix his composure and disposal his hands are shit, I do love him though, I love all these mother ****ers and I'm getting pretty pissed at the moment
And slow down for 1 second going inside 50 we blew 5 goals in the first half against Essendon having no composure who the **** is coaching these guys
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And St Kilda fans are hating it
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