Opinion What unpopular AFL opinions do you have? - Part 2

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If the AFL eventually caves to ‘pressure’ from Tim Watson’s old pals to ‘Give Jobe his medal back’ they should also be forced to strip the honour from Cotchin and Mitchell, just so we can all enjoy how awkward that process would be.
It might also be such a painful process to do so that it might help ensure that such a travesty of justice never occurs again.

I'm not a Dons fan but think there was absolutely no need for the AFL to take away Jobe's medal. It was not required by any rule and was an unnecessary act of malicious virtue signaling stupidity, taking away an umpire's playing conduct award years after the fact. 🤦‍♂️

BTW I think that the players did deserve drug suspensions, but Jobe's Brownlow should not have been affected.

P.S. Think it could also be a blessing in disguise for Cotchin and Mitchell as they would likely have mixed feeling about their belated awards, and always seem a bit uncomfortable talking about them.
 
It might also be such a painful process to do so that it might help ensure that such a travesty of justice never occurs again.

I'm not a Dons fan but think there was absolutely no need for the AFL to take away Jobe's medal. It was not required by any rule and was an unnecessary act of malicious virtue signaling stupidity, taking away an umpire's playing conduct award years after the fact. 🤦‍♂️

BTW I think that the players did deserve drug suspensions, but Jobe's Brownlow should not have been affected.

P.S. Think it could also be a blessing in disguise for Cotchin and Mitchell as they would likely have mixed feeling about their belated awards, and always seem a bit uncomfortable talking about them.
It was a stupid decision. I doubt their injection regime enhanced any performances.
 
It might also be such a painful process to do so that it might help ensure that such a travesty of justice never occurs again.

I'm not a Dons fan but think there was absolutely no need for the AFL to take away Jobe's medal. It was not required by any rule and was an unnecessary act of malicious virtue signaling stupidity, taking away an umpire's playing conduct award years after the fact. 🤦‍♂️

BTW I think that the players did deserve drug suspensions, but Jobe's Brownlow should not have been affected.

P.S. Think it could also be a blessing in disguise for Cotchin and Mitchell as they would likely have mixed feeling about their belated awards, and always seem a bit uncomfortable talking about them.
I’m not sure how you can simultaneously hold the opinions that the drug suspensions were fair, but an award won during the time the injections were being used is fairly his?
 

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It might also be such a painful process to do so that it might help ensure that such a travesty of justice never occurs again.

I'm not a Dons fan but think there was absolutely no need for the AFL to take away Jobe's medal. It was not required by any rule and was an unnecessary act of malicious virtue signaling stupidity, taking away an umpire's playing conduct award years after the fact. 🤦‍♂️

BTW I think that the players did deserve drug suspensions, but Jobe's Brownlow should not have been affected.

P.S. Think it could also be a blessing in disguise for Cotchin and Mitchell as they would likely have mixed feeling about their belated awards, and always seem a bit uncomfortable talking about them.
Mitchell and Cotch are both pretty sheepish about it, but maybe they'd feel differently if they weren't triple premiership players.
 
It might also be such a painful process to do so that it might help ensure that such a travesty of justice never occurs again.

I'm not a Dons fan but think there was absolutely no need for the AFL to take away Jobe's medal. It was not required by any rule and was an unnecessary act of malicious virtue signaling stupidity, taking away an umpire's playing conduct award years after the fact.

BTW I think that the players did deserve drug suspensions, but Jobe's Brownlow should not have been affected.

P.S. Think it could also be a blessing in disguise for Cotchin and Mitchell as they would likely have mixed feeling about their belated awards, and always seem a bit uncomfortable talking about them.

So he can take a unknown substance that he’s was given a suspension for but still deserves the award for best and fairest
Interesting thinking


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I’m not sure how you can simultaneously hold the opinions that the drug suspensions were fair, but an award won during the time the injections were being used is fairly his?
Because it is an umpire's award for playing conduct during that season. It's not a tainted race result or championship record.


It also appears that the drug program had negligible impact on his performance during that season. The fact that his club pushed their players into a drug program and told them that it was legal is also worth consideration in Jobes' conduct. It's not like he was an independent and conscious cheat.

The reason that I agree with the player drug suspensions is twofold. Firstly, the club clearly needed to be punished because it instituted a performance enhancing drug program and that needed to include on field punishment. The fact Essendon mistakenly thought they had found a loop hole in the rules that would let them get away with it doesn't change that fact it was a PED program.

Secondly, you couldn't let the players completely off the hook and just punish the club because it would create an exploitable precedent that athletes can just blame their organisations and hence get away with PED transgressions by blaming others, there needed to be some personal responsibility/punishment. But taking the Brownlow away was a big and unnecessary step too far.
 
The fact that his club pushed their players into a drug program and told them that it was legal is also worth consideration in Jobes' conduct. It's not like he was an independent and conscious cheat.
Secondly, you couldn't let the players completely off the hook and just punish the club because it would create an exploitable precedent that athletes can just blame their organisations and hence get away with PED transgressions by blaming others, there needed to be some personal responsibility/punishment.
 
So if a club goes over the salary cap massively it’s ok if they don’t improve?
Who said it was OK? Besides he was punished/suspended.

How many times do you need to punish someone for the same crime?

Both Cothin and Mitchell were suspended for on field indiscretions during their career. Should that make them ineligible to win any form of best and fairest award, and should they have to go and hand them all back? Of course not.
 
Because it is an umpire's award for playing conduct during that season. It's not a tainted race result or championship record.


It also appears that the drug program had negligible impact on his performance during that season. The fact that his club pushed their players into a drug program and told them that it was legal is also worth consideration in Jobes' conduct. It's not like he was an independent and conscious cheat.

The reason that I agree with the player drug suspensions is twofold. Firstly, the club clearly needed to be punished because it instituted a performance enhancing drug program and that needed to include on field punishment. The fact Essendon mistakenly thought they had found a loop hole in the rules that would let them get away with it doesn't change that fact it was a PED program.

Secondly, you couldn't let the players completely off the hook and just punish the club because it would create an exploitable precedent that athletes can just blame their organisations and hence get away with PED transgressions by blaming others, there needed to be some personal responsibility/punishment. But taking the Brownlow away was a big and unnecessary step too far.
"It's not tainted"...wow..😂😂😂
 
Who said it was OK? Besides he was punished/suspended.

How many times do you need to punish someone for the same crime?

Both Cothin and Mitchell were suspended for on field indiscretions during their career. Should that make them ineligible to win any form of best and fairest award, and should they have to go and hand them all back? Of course not.

I think this opinion of yours aligns quite neatly with your misspelled user name.

There's plenty of players who have been ineligible for the Brownlow due to suspension in the year they were a contender.
His suspension was for actions taken in the year he 'won' the Brownlow, hence becoming ineligible after the fact.

I'm not sure how this is even a discussion.
 

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