Prediction What will become of big Tommy Boyd?

[ScragCity]

I know it's still early in the season but this bloke is a bit of an enigma. Plays like crap for most of his early career, then goes on to almost win a Norm Smith, then goes back to playing like crap before missing most of the season with clinical depression. I just wanted to see what the general vibe is about our expectations of Big Money Boyd.

 

[Libba39]

Unfortunately 200cm blokes who can't take a mark don't tend to get new contracts..

 

[ScragCity]

Unfortunately 200cm blokes who can't take a mark don't tend to get new contracts..

Hes still got 4 seasons to go including this year though. Thats a lot of time on the list/in the salary cap. I doubt we could offload him. Surely the club has him working with specialist marking coaches and sports psychologists etc. right? It seems inexplicable that he just can't mark the footy even when he gets hands to it.

 

[maddog37]

Somewhere between options three and four.

 

[BEaston]

Still nobody has shown him the W that we all learned in primary school.

 

[Mofra]

Serviceable 2nd ruck / get-out kick forward.
He can mark the high ball but not the low ball on the lead. As a ruck nobody will get near English who looks like he'll be a superstar.

Boyd lacks aggression and can't mark a ball on the lead but Schache I have bigger doubts on. Shame every other forward on our list will be developed as a backman (i.e. Young)

NB: I note that there are two gun tall forwards in the likely top four picks in this superdraft...

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Its a Bigfooty staple but for perhaps the first time ever the poll truly need a Jack Watts option.

 

[maddog37]

I’m thinking a Brad Ottens type would be a good result from here.

 

[TheBont]

I hope they pay him out or he retires.
Sorry just my opinion.

 

[Dogs Rule]

I hope they pay him out or he retires.
Sorry just my opinion.

A payout would be a disaster. No, we know Tommy can play, we just have to get him right, mentally and physically.

 

[Timewillcome]

Jack watts would be a better forward option than what we put on the park last two weeks. He was practically given away and shows forward ability than or guys. Both him and Boyd haven't coped with the pressure of being high picks with boyd on massive cash. Media bash them both for the sake of making a story.

I see him retiring with a payout.

The AFL need to limit the rubbish their accredited journalist continue to print. Nothing short of bullying.

 

[TheBont]

A payout would be a disaster. No, we know Tommy can play, we just have to get him right, mentally and physically.

Maybe I don't see it though.

Can't mark can't hold a tackle and is too slow. Had a blinder for the finals but I don't see him improving

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

I'd love to see him get an extended run at CHF without rucking. Roaming from our goal square to the defensive 50. I think he'll flourish, but i fear he will never be given that opportunity

 

[The Slitherin' Snake]

Shame every other forward on our list will be developed as a backman (i.e. Young)

NB: I note that there are two gun tall forwards in the likely top four picks in this superdraft...

Unfortunately this is true, we haven't developed a tall forward in 20 years so at some point you have to start thinking it is not the player(s) its the coaches and football department that are failing.

 

[Libba39]

Still nobody has shown him the W that we all learned in primary school.

And those resin crystals! Very sticky back in 1981 i remember....

 

[King Harold]

If you can remember fronk posting about Boyd , I think pre 2016 ?
It was along the lines Bev didn't really rate him and was even open to trading him.

I have always thought since watching him in our colors he rucks with some forward time , but that's it.
He is just not a permanent forward .

Still , whenever or wherever he goes he delivered for us all during that month that mattered.

 

[Struggle]

Coleman, Brownlow, Norm Smith and Sutton medalist

 

[Guido]

Won't get to near his peak until 24-25 and his truly best years will probably be 27-28-29.

Dean Cox wasn't very good at 21-22 (with the exception of 1 or 2 games), and just exploded into one of the comps top 20 players at 24-25. But that's only a possibility if Tom gets the best out of himself, which isn't a given.

This is purely from the outside and 100% supposition, but I reckon if he had 80% of Dale Morris' work ethic, I think he'd be a fair bit more advanced.

I don't know if there's still mental health issues at play, but from the outside, I don't know if he wants it enough. Guaranteed long term deals do that to some people - some players will get 9/10 out of themselves regardless, but how many other players have "career seasons" when in a contract renewal year, an incentive/driver that Tom won't have in front of him for years. Or maybe he's just desperately unhappy with the environment. Whatever it is, something doesn't look right.

If he *does* have the work ethic and hunger, there is still the time and potential to be one of the league's top players for many years.

My biggest fear is that we offload him and he fulfils his potential elsewhere.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Won't get to near his peak until 24-25 and his truly best years will probably be 27-28-29.

Dean Cox wasn't very good at 21-22 (with the exception of 1 or 2 games), and just exploded into one of the comps top 20 players at 24-25. But that's only a possibility if Tom gets the best out of himself, which isn't a given.

This is purely from the outside and 100% supposition, but I reckon if he had 80% of Dale Morris' work ethic, I think he'd be a fair bit more advanced.

I don't know if there's still mental health issues at play, but from the outside, I don't know if he wants it enough. Guaranteed long term deals do that to some people - some players will get 9/10 out of themselves regardless, but how many other players have "career seasons" when in a contract renewal year, an incentive/driver that Tom won't have in front of him for years. Or maybe he's just desperately unhappy with the environment. Whatever it is, something doesn't look right.

If he *does* have the work ethic and hunger, there is still the time and potential to be one of the league's top players for many years.

My biggest fear is that we offload him and he fulfils his potential elsewhere.

I can't see us offloading him.

 

[Unnamed1]

I remember speaking with Big Will and he explained to me how incredibly difficult the FWD/Ruck role is. He said that the roles are in constant conflict, with Ruck being about preserving energy to ensure ground coverage and endurance, whereas FWD is about being explosive either chasing the ball or stopping the rebound defender.

While Bevo continues with this jack of all trades, master of none rubbish, I fear for Boyd's longevity in the game/on our list. I don't see Patton, Franklin, Lynch or other KPFs rucking much outside of the front 1/3 of the ground....

 

[BEaston]

Seriously thought he was on track early last year to become a very good ruckman. He had already surpassed Roughead IMO. Shame it all went pear shaped for him last year as I think he would have become a lock for that position going forward. If he can get back on that train I think he has a very good future and would be a good combo with English in future. I can't see him making it as a primary forward.

 

[BRWB]

I remember speaking with Big Will and he explained to me how incredibly difficult the FWD/Ruck role is. He said that the roles are in constant conflict, with Ruck being about preserving energy to ensure ground coverage and endurance, whereas FWD is about being explosive either chasing the ball or stopping the rebound defender.

While Bevo continues with this jack of all trades, master of none rubbish, I fear for Boyd's longevity in the game/on our list. I don't see Patton, Franklin, Lynch or other KPFs rucking much outside of the front 1/3 of the ground....

Boyd cannot mark on the lead. And i've rarely seen him mark it with his back to goal ie as a fwd.

Imo Boyd position is ruck unless he miraculously learns to mark. So Boyd hasnt been played out of position at all. In fact if you read posts from guys who followed Boyds jnr career they say Boyd was always a ruck first and foremost.

It was just a massive talent id failure that proclaimed Boyd to be a fwd.

A failure to spot his low intensity is another concern.

But these arent criticisms of the coach but rather the now departed list management group.

Still time for Tom to learn to mark and still time for him to get his shit together - at least four yrs.

 

[Dogs Rule]

Boyd cannot mark on the lead. And i've rarely seen him mark it with his back to goal ie as a fwd.

Imo Boyd position is ruck unless he miraculously learns to mark. So Boyd hasnt been played out of position at all. In fact if you read posts from guys who followed Boyds jnr career they say Boyd was always a ruck first and foremost.

It was just a massive talent id failure that proclaimed Boyd to be a fwd.

A failure to spot his low intensity is another concern.

But these arent criticisms of the coach but rather the now departed list management group.

Still time for Tom to learn to mark and still time for him to get his shit together - at least four yrs.

That's the thing - time.

In today's world, patience is sorely lacking. If they were starting out today, Dipper and Tuck would have been delisted ages ago. I think Dipper played 99 games in the ressies didn't he?

Give Tommy time to work on his deficiencies and it will pay dividends.

 

[BRWB]

That's the thing - time.

In today's world, patience is sorely lacking. If they were starting out today, Dipper and Tuck would have been delisted ages ago. I think Dipper played 99 games in the ressies didn't he?

Give Tommy time to work on his deficiencies and it will pay dividends.

Maybe.

Of couse Dipper and Tucky were probably getting a few hundred per week. Tom is getting tens of thousands per week.

I doubt we have much choice but to persist. Honestly, if Boyd came up for trade now I doubt many if any clubs touch him. Cant mark, intensity and mental health red flags plus shoulder problems. Certainly not at his price.

Just keep our fingers crossed I guess.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

People around this board know that I've one who has championed Boyd's potential development, even if that development would come slowly, and we'd only see it really start to come around when he's in his late 20's.

I'm less confident as a result of three thins: 1. Mental health 2. Niggling physical injuries 3. Bevo's development to make him flexible and mobile in positions rather than just letting him develop as a big bloke in the forward line.

Will he develop? We will wait and see.