What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[barreness]

2030? Do you mean 2050?

California is almost 100% renewables in its power grid already..
the tsunami towards renewables is happening

I mean they do very well with a wide variety of energy sources, but its peak summer and they use gas daily(about equal to their hydro generation).

By almost you mean most days it's around 80% renewable(well low carbon if you're including nuclear). which is excellent but not 100%. Almost impossible for most places to hit 100% without rationing, which is also fine.

https://app.electricitymaps.com/zone/US-CAL-CISO

 

[barreness]

And yet California is still an agricultural power house. So much for loss of productive land

Yeh they are still using diesel for agriculture obvs, that's another massive challenge

Seems people forget electricity generation only makes up ~25% of emissions in a developed state, and it's by far the easiest one to shift to low carbon

 

[cartwright]

in touch as always

Opposition leader Peter Dutton used a taxpayer-funded private jet to travel to a News Corp event in Tamworth, claiming $23,000 in travel expenses to speak at the summit where he criticised the government’s response to the cost-of-living crisis.

Peter Dutton took $23k private jet to News Corp event where he spoke on cost-of-living crisis

Exclusive: Figures reveal that opposition leader traveled at taxpayer’s expense to event sponsored by Gina Rinehart’s Hancock Prospecting

www.theguardian.com

 

[Puddy]

If they really wanted power they would switch to a centrist leader

 

[blueboy25]

If they really wanted power they would switch to a centrist leader

Do they have anyone in the ranks that could be that person?

 

[Brian Oblivion]

Do they have anyone in the ranks that could be that person?

She’s in Tasmania.

 

[QuietB]

She’s in Tasmania.

And about to lose her preselection so you can put a line through her.

 

[Brian Oblivion]

And about to lose her preselection so you can put a line through her.

True, but my answer remains correct I reckon.

 

[E Shed]

And about to lose her preselection so you can put a line through her.

Which rich, white, Christian, male lawyer/old boy is getting the gig?

 

[Gavin Excell]

Do they ever tweet about the law?

Also, have a good lunch break.

Just out of interest, do you think from a purely electoral perspective this is a winner?

Seems a big risk to me

 

[blueboy25]

Which rich, white, Christian, male lawyer/old boy is getting the gig?

One of Abetz's mates

 

[The Punter]

Just out of interest, do you think from a purely electoral perspective this is a winner?

Seems a big risk to me

I'll repeat myself - for the Liberals to win government without winning all the close-to-the-city wealthy seats in Melbourne, Sydney and Perth they have traditionally won (before 2022) would be unprecedented.

I feel like abandoning the 2030 target is obviously pursuing a strategy that the LNP aims to win government by winning seats other than the ones they lost to the Teals in 2022.

 

[Gavin Excell]

I'll repeat myself - for the Liberals to win government without winning all the close-to-the-city wealthy seats in Melbourne, Sydney and Perth they have traditionally won (before 2022) would be unprecedented.

I feel like abandoning the 2030 target is obviously pursuing a strategy that the LNP aims to win government by winning seats other than the ones they lost to the Teals in 2022.

There's a narrow pathway there

 

[peetoo]

They get qld voters, but the same voters don’t want an lnp state govt

 

[QuietB]

 

[carltonchelsea]

Old nuclear no policy Peter, I could fake being a Liberal politician better than any of them actually being one!
Truly they are close to the worst group of individuals to ever gather in Canberra!

 

[Demonic Ascent]

If they really wanted power they would switch to a centrist leader

Nah they just rely on the politically unsophisticated majority in this country to eventually vote them back in after getting sick of the other mob/worked up into a frenzy by the media boofheads.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Nah they just rely on the politically unsophisticated majority in this country to eventually vote them back in after getting sick of the other mob/worked up into a frenzy by the media boofheads.

Thing is they've always offered a centrist alternative

Not sure that's the same anymore

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Thing is they've always offered a centrist alternative

Not sure that's the same anymore

Well they're more beholden to mining lobbyists than ever before, they've shifted to the right culturally since Howard sought to nullify Hanson and capitalise on anti-Muslim sentiment post Sept 11 and they've been infiltrated (at least in certain sectors) by Christian fundies. The idea they offer anything centrist anymore is fanciful.

 

[nut]

I'll repeat myself - for the Liberals to win government without winning all the close-to-the-city wealthy seats in Melbourne, Sydney and Perth they have traditionally won (before 2022) would be unprecedented.

I feel like abandoning the 2030 target is obviously pursuing a strategy that the LNP aims to win government by winning seats other than the ones they lost to the Teals in 2022.

You are obviously historically an LNP supporter … how does the current LNP represent the values that originally drew you to the party?

 

[barreness]

Paul Fletcher, could get them back in 2029.

Mediocre in every facet yet not insane or too dumb, Howard mk2

 

[Gough]

Paul Fletcher, could get them back in 2029.

Mediocre in every facet yet not insane or too dumb, Howard mk2

Thanks to Dutton's climate madness he's probably more worried about holding his seat at the next election. It's going to be a problem for the Libs going forward, the only people who will want them as representatives are going to be the sort of people they've spent their entire private school/sandstone uni/private sector existence doing everything to avoid.

 

[The Punter]

You are obviously historically an LNP supporter … how does the current LNP represent the values that originally drew you to the party?

I'm actually a member - the values are still the same, and someone needs to be strongly advocating for those values, so here I will remain. IMO the current parliamentary party struggles to represent those values as well as they used to.

For a good example of moving away from satisfactorily representing those values, look at Dutton's attacks on Woolworths surrounding no longer stocking products that didn't sell well anyway in January. Remarks that John Howard would never have made while he was Prime Minister.

 

[Puddy]

Nah they just rely on the politically unsophisticated majority in this country to eventually vote them back in after getting sick of the other mob/worked up into a frenzy by the media boofheads.

The country is leaning too far Left for this to be realistic

 

[nut]

I'm actually a member - the values are still the same, and someone needs to be strongly advocating for those values, so here I will remain. IMO the current parliamentary party struggles to represent those values as well as they used to.

For a good example of moving away from satisfactorily representing those values, look at Dutton's attacks on Woolworths surrounding no longer stocking products that didn't sell well anyway in January. Remarks that John Howard would never have made while he was Prime Minister.

Could you explain the values?

Because all I see is, like the example you mentioned, cultural wars and poor policies.