What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[Power Raid]

One analysis I read is that he does ok with outer suburban voters that he spends his time trying to whip up fear in because he is authentically one of them. He doesn’t talk about reconciliation or complex societal issues because he also doesn’t care about them. He’s focussed on similar things to the people living pay check to pay check and is wary of experts.

He’s not a lawyer or an activist from the inner city of Melb/Syd so he’s claimed victory since the voice with a base which would include a lot of ALP seats the conservatives think are winnable. Most are on huge margins though.

The enshrining of the voice in the constitution was one of the lowest supported recommendations, in the Uluru Statement, from the survey based on around 1,000 responses.

One of the higher recommendations was the removal of s25 and the reference to race (which I support) which is interesting as it is the polar opposite of enshrining a voice based on race. It would have been interesting to hear the High Courts ruling on the legitimacy of a voice if s25 was removed.



In regards to reconciliation, the federal government's role is easy as it should encourage the states to come to a treaty and property rights damage claim (as property is a state issue not federal). Areas of WA have come to a treaty successfully and the federal government should simply pressure the states to follow.

The states however know the window of opportunity for a meaningful property rights settlement is closing, as the skill set gap between the current elders and the next generation is huge. Meaning when this generation dies, so to does any meaningful negotiation skills.

Governments would prefer to see indigenous people remain in the "gap". As hand outs, programs etc means a political weapon and votes. Resolving the gap by a property rights settlement and the more important "move forward" mindset that creates, empowers indigenous people but destroys a political weapon.



It is disgraceful that holding people down is more important for politics than resolving issues. We have seen the same with religions, charities and unions (note: not all religions, churches or unions are bad). Always be careful of groups that say they are here to help.

 

[Pie eyed]

Why? They gonna go potato shooting?

Protecting the dirty shitstained dog humper.

 

[kickazz]

He’s also not very bright. God help us he rises further. Coalition leaders have got progressively worse, but surely the next one can’t be any worse

Yeah looks I'm no cheerleader of theirs but far out at least they had quite a few bright and capable people say ten years ago.

The cupboard is really bare now.

Geez, imagine the likes of Keating, Howard, taking on these Muppets.

 

[FruitTingles]

Yeah, if he thinks the problem with moderates are that they are lawyers who can simply argue both sides, he also got to reckon with the fact he’s losing talented potential candidates who also could appeal to metropolitan voters.

 

[Not Important]

I think if he had, half of Nick McKenzie's stuff wouldn't have been printed. Anyway, that's not how a good corporate board works. It sets strategic direction and leaves operational decisions to management. Costello left the Nine Entertainment Board because of poor behaviour outside of his work on the board.

So no, I don't think he exerted that kind of influence, and as far as the media wars are concerned, criticism of The Age, SMH and also the ABC (from both sides) is totally overblown.

it’s more nuanced than that, t.p. a strong board chair who appoints the ceo has considerable influence.

there was a move to the right in the news coverage due to who covers it. smethhurst is one example.

i’ve noticed it’s been less so since his departure. that may have a bit to do with falling circulation/ratings.

 

[AlwaysHawks15]

Dutton has to go. WTF is this? There is 100% "something wrong with him".

What sort of moron disrupts parliment and call the "member shall no longer be heard" when you are not even close to having the numbers? This is a front to democracy and a complete disregard for the parliament. Again.

What is wrong with the Liberals?

Oh yeh - "everything is political".

Shades of Keating with some of Chalmers quips. Great stuff.

 

[Gralin]

Dutton doesn't need coherent policy

The media will enable him because he gives them regular soundbites and is combative

Media don't want bipartisan support for issues they want disagreement, they want outrage and anger

They'll happily promote him for the clicks

You also got to remember a lot of the media is owned by liberal party donors so they're friendly to the coalition to begin with.

Anyone who isn't friendly he'll attack generally with the support of the friendly media

You don't need policy in that environment it's about making everyone else sound bad so you're the default choice

 

[FruitTingles]

The claim is that the Libs were thinking of a two-term strategy given they need 18 seats back. So first term was damage the government and put them in minority with a pivot in the next term to win again with the teal seats back in the book.

But at 50-50 or 51-49, they think they can win. WA and QLD post ScoMo naturally was going to correct back to the Libs. But flipping enough seats and losing all the teal ones again doesn’t look like it will be enough.

Short cutting and trying to win this term could cook the goose for a strategic attempt at winning back the moderates.

 

[Vindicater]

The claim is that the Libs were thinking of a two-term strategy given they need 18 seats back. So first term was damage the government and put them in minority with a pivot in the next term to win again with the teal seats back in the book.

But at 50-50 or 51-49, they think they can win. WA and QLD post ScoMo naturally was going to correct back to the Libs. But flipping enough seats and losing all the teal ones again doesn’t look like it will be enough.

Short cutting and trying to win this term could cook the goose for a strategic attempt at winning back the moderates.

They ain't winning 18 seats back in a single term.

 

[FruitTingles]

Not without a better agenda.

The Nats are hanging over the Libs like the sword of Damocles if they ever try to offer up action on climate change.

Dutton is busy going to the regions to try and stop offshore wind farms.

 

[Rob R]

If they had any common sense, they would look at the elections yesterday - glorified council election in Canberra but with moderates in charge and Zed the nutter gone, they out polled the ALP and Teals took a safe seat in Sydney.


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[Not Important]

love shaun, but i’d call him an arrogant, thin-skinned twat, who can’t take being tested. he’s quite happy to accept mate rupes right wing “advocacy” though.



yep, happy to use the trump play book.

 

[peetoo]

If they had any common sense, they would look at the elections yesterday - glorified council election in Canberra but with moderates in charge and Zed the nutter gone, they out polled the ALP and Teals took a safe seat in Sydney.


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They have got moderates e.g. Turnbull but the rabid right get to them and neuter any progressive policies.

Look at pessuto (not that he’s really that moderate) but he’s kept his job but announced his ‘priorities’ none of which a have any cost of living relief, even though that’s what they are whacking the govt on

 

[Rotayjay]

I'm sure Peter Dutton is intelligent enough, but he appeals to the dumb vote. Like people who think building 500,000 supposedly extra homes by cutting red tape (read: the already-crap building codes) will substantially address the housing shortage.

And what's this crap about banning non-permanent residents from buyinh homes for two years? If it's such a good idea, why only for two years, you * head?

 

[Not Important]

I'm sure Peter Dutton is intelligent enough, but he appeals to the dumb vote. Like people who think building 500,000 supposedly extra homes by cutting red tape (read: the already-crap building codes) will substantially address the housing shortage.

And what's this crap about banning non-permanent residents from buyinh homes for two years? If it's such a good idea, why only for two years, you * head?

clearly, he can’t handle testing questions. the recourse to the tired old abc bashing shows that. i am surprised the journo didn’t respond to his dumb how do you know retort by saying you are the one making the claim how do you know. cos he obviously doesn’t. very trump like the ol' thug.

 

[peetoo]

I'm sure Peter Dutton is intelligent enough, but he appeals to the dumb vote. Like people who think building 500,000 supposedly extra homes by cutting red tape (read: the already-crap building codes) will substantially address the housing shortage.

And what's this crap about banning non-permanent residents from buyinh homes for two years? If it's such a good idea, why only for two years, you * head?

Are you sure? More the lack of other options tbh

 

[Freomaniac]

They ain't winning 18 seats back in a single term.

true... that would take a fair bit.

They could in 2 terms.... Again, could. They can in 3 terms.

 

[Freomaniac]

When Rupert Murdoch finally stops polluting the Earth with his presence and dies, nothing much will change. The fact that newspapers aren't widely read anymore doesn't matter.

The print, TV, radio, online and social news media of Australia is entirely captured by the Coalition except for little pockets like the Guardian, ABC and SBS. That is partly why Labor has spent only 10 of the last 30 years in power federally (1994-1996, 2007-2013, 2022-present).

Very true.

That is why I think Albanese will survive next years election in 2025 but wont surivive the next one in 2028.

 

[Power Raid]

love shaun, but i’d call him an arrogant, thin-skinned twat, who can’t take being tested. he’s quite happy to accept mate rupes right wing “advocacy” though.



yep, happy to use the trump play book.

Is Dutton a moron?

I'm pro nuclear but only a moron would consider Collie as a sensible location

1) it is in a state forest with a state agreement exemption of coal mining
2) it is a union town and the union has their own plans, the slush funds secured and won't let that go easily
3) no one in their right mind would build a nuclear plant (even an SMR) in a meth town
4) Collie is in the ranges........ranges are formed by fault lines.............the coal formed due to the biggest sink zone you could imagine...............yeah, let's build a nuclear reactor there..............what an imbecile

Let Collie die and return it to the forest......build the SMR technologies down the hill, closer to Bunbury. Further north along the power line route in a safe geological zone and south of Geraldton

 

[JackOutback]

Very true.

That is why I think Albanese will survive next years election in 2025 but wont surivive the next one in 2028.

If Albanese wins in 2025, he’d be wise to hand over. Retire after winning two elections and you’re a legend. Otherwise you can go out a loser. It also allows Labor to present a fresh face in 2028.

 

[Freomaniac]

If Albanese wins in 2025, he’d be wise to hand over. Retire after winning two elections and you’re a legend. Otherwise you can go out a loser. It also allows Labor to present a fresh face in 2028.

he will be 62 years old when the next federal election takes place.

Could be there until 2028.

 

[Power Raid]

If Albanese wins in 2025, he’d be wise to hand over. Retire after winning two elections and you’re a legend. Otherwise you can go out a loser. It also allows Labor to present a fresh face in 2028.

Thoughts on an Albo replacement?

I've heard (but unconfirmed) Bowen will not stand for re-election or retire soon after
Chalmers? Marles? other?

 

[Power Raid]

he will be 62 years old when the next federal election takes place.

Could be there until 2028.

He's been our best PM in 17 years

A stable government has been a blessing after the bat shit crazy governments we've had

 

[JackOutback]

he will be 62 years old when the next federal election takes place.

Could be there until 2028.

Of course he could, it's a question of whether he should. Labor are already struggling to control the narrative, if they win 2025 and go in with the same leader in 2028, I'd almost guarantee it'll be a big defeat. A new leader like Chalmers could invigorate the party and give them a shot at a third term.

 

[Not Important]

Is Dutton a moron?

I'm pro nuclear but only a moron would consider Collie as a sensible location

1) it is in a state forest with a state agreement exemption of coal mining
2) it is a union town and the union has their own plans, the slush funds secured and won't let that go easily
3) no one in their right mind would build a nuclear plant (even an SMR) in a meth town
4) Collie is in the ranges........ranges are formed by fault lines.............the coal formed due to the biggest sink zone you could imagine...............yeah, let's build a nuclear reactor there..............what an imbecile

Let Collie die and return it to the forest......build the SMR technologies down the hill, closer to Bunbury. Further north along the power line route in a safe geological zone and south of Geraldton

he's very proficient at feeding the cookers, and he's very trump-like when it comes to costs or what's happening to so many existing nuclear plants worldwide