What would a Dutton Liberal leadership mean for the Liberals and the country?

[nut]

If you think it is just one policy resulting in it, then maybe this topic ain't for you.

Ok name the policies that you think has caused the decline….. I’m guessing you have no idea Zzz

 

[Gough]

All the Trumpies in the Liberals are going to pretend that they're very upset his mate might have killed an Australian.

 

[Saint]

Ok name the policies that you think has caused the decline….. I’m guessing you have no idea Zzz

That's the problem with the current conservative movement.

They've disconnected policy from outcome. It's vibe and only vibe which matters.

Having a plan doesn't matter.
Criticising policy doesn't matter.

The more they disconnect policy from the debate, the better chance they stand.

Any time they're asked a policy question, from the Opposition leader to the average supporter in the street (and POTUS), they look at you like you've sworn at them. They have zero idea about policy.

 

[QuietB]

How about they address the continually declining disposable income per household in their watch?

Do you really believe Dutton is going to fix that? Do you believe Dutton even cares about that?

 

[Saint]

Do you really believe Dutton is going to fix that? Do you believe Dutton even cares about that?

Last time they were in power, they had the stated position of suppressing wages to prevent inflation. Then inflation took off because of other factors while the handbrake remained on wages.

That is what caused the current problems. Only people who don't understand policy do not understand this, and it's what the conservatives rely on.

 

[Deliverance]

Definitely declining trend since 08

 

[peetoo]

That's the problem with the current conservative movement.

They've disconnected policy from outcome. It's vibe and only vibe which matters.

Having a plan doesn't matter.
Criticising policy doesn't matter.

The more they disconnect policy from the debate, the better chance they stand.

Any time they're asked a policy question, from the Opposition leader to the average supporter in the street (and POTUS), they look at you like you've sworn at them. They have zero idea about policy.

Call it a wedge and they understand it well

 

[Bunk Moreland]

That's the problem with the current conservative movement.

They've disconnected policy from outcome. It's vibe and only vibe which matters.

Having a plan doesn't matter.
Criticising policy doesn't matter.

The more they disconnect policy from the debate, the better chance they stand.

Any time they're asked a policy question, from the Opposition leader to the average supporter in the street (and POTUS), they look at you like you've sworn at them. They have zero idea about policy.

They’re in their death throes. It’s the last days of Rome.

Every piece of data tells you that their base is dying off and younger people aren’t coming across to them in sufficient numbers to replace them.

Albanese is so incredibly shithouse that he might hand them another term or two, but that will be it - hopefully the wreckage they cause is reasonably contained.

 

[peetoo]

They’re in their death throes. It’s the last days of Rome.

Every piece of data tells you that their base is dying off and younger people aren’t coming across to them in sufficient numbers to replace them.

Albanese is so incredibly shithouse that he might hand them another term or two, but that will be it - hopefully the wreckage they cause is reasonably contained.

But but the meeja is telling me stridently that there’s a world wide right wing renaissance against progressive?

 

[Saint]

Definitely declining trend since 08

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Your chart just shows where inflation affected wages. The real problem is that wages are stagnating relative to profits (chart below). And profits aren't being taxed at a greater rate to build the Commonwealth. So those with wealth (shares, businesses, property) are getting wealthier and wage-earners are not.

The difference between the two major parties is that they both don't want to tax runaway profits, but one works slightly harder than the other to increase wages.

The chart below shows that profits are ~6x higher than in 2001, while wages are ~3x higher.

The coincidence in these charts is that inflation was high because there were massive profits being made. That drove inflation, but wages were suppressed to "prevent inflation".

So according to the major parties, it doesn't matter if Profits drive massive inflation, you just have to let them. But we couldn't possibly let workers get higher wages, that might lead to inflation!

 

[nut]

Your chart just shows where inflation affected wages. The real problem is that wages are stagnating relative to profits (chart below). And profits aren't being taxed at a greater rate to build the Commonwealth. So those with wealth (shares, businesses, property) are getting wealthier and wage-earners are not.

The difference between the two major parties is that they both don't want to tax runaway profits, but one works slightly harder than the other to increase wages.

The chart below shows that profits are ~6x higher than in 2001, while wages are ~3x higher.

The coincidence in these charts is that inflation was high because there were massive profits being made. That drove inflation, but wages were suppressed to "prevent inflation".

So according to the major parties, it doesn't matter if Profits drive massive inflation, you just have to let them. But we couldn't possibly let workers get higher wages, that might lead to inflation!

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Those profits were caused by the covid stimulus that we now have to pay back with interest with our taxes… and we get penalised with increase interest rates.
So the covid stimulus was a massive transfer of wealth from tax payers to the private sector.

 

[Not Important]

Mike Carlton (@mikecarlton01.bsky.social)

But of course… never forget that these are the lying scoundrels who brought you Robodebt. [contains quote post or other embedded content]

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Sally McManus (@sallymcmanus.bsky.social)

Today the Coalition made clear if elected they would sack public sector workers, cut their pay & return to funnelling our money to the big consultants. We lose jobs, pay, expertise, services & money spent in local communities. Good for consultants profits, bad for the country

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[Saint]

Those profits were caused by the covid stimulus that we now have to pay back with interest with our taxes… and we get penalised with increase interest rates.
So the covid stimulus was a massive transfer of wealth from tax payers to the private sector.

Handouts were a contributor. But basic price gouging by monopolistic companies was the main contributor.

Oil companies, for example, just charged more because of relative scarcity, even though the price to extract doesn't change in such a short term.

Lots of other companies did that too, and it filtered through the economy from high gas, electricity and petrol prices to building materials and finally, wages.

 

[nut]

Handouts were a contributor. But basic price gouging by monopolistic companies was the main contributor.

Oil companies, for example, just charged more because of relative scarcity, even though the price to extract doesn't change in such a short term.

Lots of other companies did that too, and it filtered through the economy from high gas, electricity and petrol prices to building materials and finally, wages.

Yes because they knew there was more money being printed into the economy…

 

[Deliverance]

Welcome to capitalism. It happened all over the globe

 

[nut]

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[carltonchelsea]

The enormously obese mineral whore Clive Palmer has begun his idiotic commercial campaign with this nonsense, “Australians are going hungry…..”
ok ya fat campaigner

 

[peetoo]

Mike Carlton (@mikecarlton01.bsky.social)

But of course… never forget that these are the lying scoundrels who brought you Robodebt. [contains quote post or other embedded content]

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Sally McManus (@sallymcmanus.bsky.social)

Today the Coalition made clear if elected they would sack public sector workers, cut their pay & return to funnelling our money to the big consultants. We lose jobs, pay, expertise, services & money spent in local communities. Good for consultants profits, bad for the country

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There needs to be a balance, but it’s been too balanced towards consultants and spin doctors for too long now

 

[peetoo]

The enormously obese mineral whore Clive Palmer has begun his idiotic commercial campaign with this nonsense, “Australians are going hungry…..”
ok ya fat campaigner

Like his anti Chinese adverts….while garnering most of his profits from China trade

 

[GreyWind]

The enormously obese mineral whore Clive Palmer has begun his idiotic commercial campaign with this nonsense, “Australians are going hungry…..”
ok ya fat campaigner

Fatty Mc****head refusing to pay staff again?

 

[Rotayjay]

Jane Hume was wheeled out on RN this morning. She said that the Coalition would 'rightsize' government and that government spending is crowding out the private sector.

Absolute bullshit. The Great Depression, Second World War, postwar boom and covid pandemic showed that Keynesian economics works. Government spending stimulates the private sector by creating demand, not the opposite. More ideological crap not backed up by evidence. The LNP's schtick.

 

[Rotayjay]

I find it rather ironic how much right-wing parliamentarians, who are public servants, directing public servants and working alongside public servants, try to shit on public servants. 'A rule for me and a rule for thee.' If anything, ordinary public sector workers like teachers, nurses, police and Centrelink do a lot more for the community than parliamentarians. As per usual, it's hypocrisy.

And say goodbye to those teal seats, and lots of votes across all seats, if you're reminding the public sector that your party is going after their job, pay and conditions.

However, it may resonate among dumb Murdoch readers who say, 'Yeah we don't need those bloody useless publik servants i work bloody hard and youse do **** all [sic].'

 

[1990crow]

That's the problem with the current conservative movement.

They've disconnected policy from outcome. It's vibe and only vibe which matters.

Having a plan doesn't matter.
Criticising policy doesn't matter.

The more they disconnect policy from the debate, the better chance they stand.

Any time they're asked a policy question, from the Opposition leader to the average supporter in the street (and POTUS), they look at you like you've sworn at them. They have zero idea about policy.

That’s what small government means. Less policy. Or in their case, no policy.

 

[schneebly111]

The enormously obese mineral whore Clive Palmer has begun his idiotic commercial campaign with this nonsense, “Australians are going hungry…..”
ok ya fat campaigner

And he finishes off the ad asking for Australians to say a prayer

Did he mistake us for Alabama?

Also just saw another ad, jeez he looks flushed and thin, and with those blood shot eyes while he tries to tail against climate action.

Been hitting some of the wacky sauce a bit too much eh Clive?

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

That’s what small government means. Less policy. Or in their case, no policy.

Journos need to start telling Dutton that if it’s so important for Australia’s future that people vote for his policies, he needs to say what those policies are.