what would you do?

[chopperob]

hey fellas i like everyone is absolutely shattered about what transpired yesterday ive read alot of posts on here and the other unofficial website about people wanting sweeping changes to the club from top to bottom. now all i read is schwab must go if this is what you want to see then who should replace him if some players need replacing then who are they. name names its alright to say this is not acceptable but what would you guys do if you if you where the coach what game plan would you instill which players if any would you drop for next week.would you play the young fellas eg miller brennan for the remainder of the year.which players would you axe at seasons end. i respect all posters opinions because you love the club 100%like me and want to see the hfc successful not now but for the long future like me.

 

[bab23]

I'm so shattered I cried over Crawfs but anyway thats life.


Changes well. Their is a mentality at the club too which is very unhealthy at the bit. I think theres an unhealthy culture there and time is the only answer on that one.Obvioulsy need people with more backnbone then there is at the bit.

Coach shoulda gone last year.

Players theres so many that should not be playing its not funny.
They have really no talent they had it for a bout a nanosecond in their careers in 2001 and then it just went AWOL.


Its rebuild time once again and what happened to the premiership we were promised. Thats right its a long long way away.

There is so many probelms at Glenferrie you don't know where to start.Its a big job now to get em back to any respectibility.

 

[Hawka Deano]

Its been said before but

GONE
Holland (can't get arms above head)
Greene (looks like an Etheopian)
McCabe (injured, won't recover)
Clarke (skills of a four year old
Barker (like him but always injured)
Beaumont (Don't know why we got him)
Cox (Had his time, very inconsistent)
Dixon (Thinks he's good, pretty crap really, try trade him)
Picioane (Been in the system for 7 yrs, done nothing)
Ries (Other supporters rate him, I think he's slow, trade him)
Scott (he's 24 and not even close to selection)
Tallis (tries hard, we need to look to future)

I'd keep Graham as he's done well against the odds this year. Play some kids, haven't seen Brennan at all but like to see him have a go. I'd keep Hay even though he is injured all the time. We wouldn't get much for him now anyway.

In regards to Crawford's injury, looking on the bright side, he was obviously playing injured and now he can rest and focus on 2005.

Living in SA, all we here is how Gary Ayres can't coach a lick (then they win and he's the greatest thing since sliced bread). Over here the media thinks he is as good as gone. What does everyone think about getting him back to the Hawks next year! Atleast he will add a bit of toughness!

 

[andrew coombs]

I dont think that Peter Schwab can realistically remain as coach beyond this season. Although he has another year to go on his contract there simply has to major changes from the top down. Nice guy or not his inability to inspire and motivate the players coupled with some serious tactical dificiencies means he has to go. His performance this season both in and out of the coaching box has been lamentable and his strong network of media supporters ( usually ex sacked coaches ) is beggining to lose faith. He has tried hard but is not the man to take this club any further.

The draft system in which Afl clubs have to operate is often the saviour of players who are not up to it and this is never more evident than at the HFC. When Schwab makes noises about players " Playing for their football lives" it has been best to ignore him as his track record in making hard calls on duds is pitiful. Whoever is in charge at Hawkland next year has to recognise which players will prevent the side from beating the likes of Brisbane or Essendon and move them out. We all know who they are.

 

[macca23]

Originally posted by Hawka Deano

Living in SA, all we here is how Gary Ayres can't coach a lick (then they win and he's the greatest thing since sliced bread). Over here the media thinks he is as good as gone. What does everyone think about getting him back to the Hawks next year! Atleast he will add a bit of toughness!

Just a comment from a Crows supporter meant in good faith.

I don't think that Crows supporters think that Ayres can't coach - rather that he has match day limitations, and after 5 years he's had his time with Adelaide.

He has a heap of good points. He doesn't tolerate soft c ock footballers who won't work hard for the team. When Ayres came to Adelaide we had a mass of them, but one by one he has weeded them out of the club. Under Ayres getting a thrashing has become a real rarity thank goodness.

Coming from Victoria to SA he has always been under pressure from the word go. But I have to give him his dues. He is a real man, and has never buckled once. The manner in which he has carried himself and represented the club publicly while under enormous fire from the media this year is a real credit to him.

He is a man of great integrity and courage. Very stoic.

IMO compared to Schwab, he is a bloody genius. The longer Schwab is in charge at Hawthorn the greater will be their problems. Schwab is not the man for the job in spite of his intense love for the club. He just hasn't got it.

Ayres has never made any secret of the fact that he would like to coach the club he played for. If he was given an assistant coach with a good feel for what to do on matchday, he would turn Hawthorn around IMO.

Hawthorn could do a damn sight worse than Ayres.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by macca23
Hawthorn could do a damn sight worse than Ayres.

I personally don't want ayres, he has had he's chances with both the cats and crows to do something and failed. At the moment i would be looking for someone that is willing to accept being a rebuilding coach and probably go with someone new (never coached at afl level)

 

[bab23]

I'd go for ayres too.But does he really want it. Like its taken him years in coaching and its taken this long for his name to crop up.
In reality he should of been at the HFC ages ago.
Eade and wallace don't appeal.Lyon would be a joke and scary.
Theres nobody else is there? Except harvey who would be good to have with a rebuilding phase happening.Whatever happens it will be for the better anything is better than schwab.It just has to be.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by bab23
I'd go for ayres too.But does he really want it. Like its taken him years in coaching and its taken this long for his name to crop up.
In reality he should of been at the HFC ages ago.
Eade and wallace don't appeal.Lyon would be a joke and scary.
Theres nobody else is there? Except harvey who would be good to have with a rebuilding phase happening.Whatever happens it will be for the better anything is better than schwab.It just has to be.

give ayres money and i bet he would take it in a heart beat ...
What about someone like andy collins?, he was a tough determined defender, not sure how he would go rebuilding the squad. If judge hadn't walked out on us, i would do almost anything to get him back.

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Originally posted by feher
[Bnot sure how he would go rebuilding the squad. [/B]

Someone has do dot!

 

[feher]

gary edit your post and do the following:

Where you have [B just add ] right after the B and you will have a perfect quote

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Originally posted by bab23

Theres nobody else is there.

Spot on! There is no coaching talent around the traps putting hands up to take on such a precarious vocation. Who wants to go through what Schwabby, Frawley and Ayes are doing presently? These days they appear to be more tired and bedraggled after a game than what they would have been playing 100 minutes of football.

I agree with most, Peter is spent. He looks so unwell. Replace him with whom. I say very few are interested. Football aside, life is too precious and Schwabby is a valued premiership player in our history - he is a member of our family. It's a big problem we have.

To exacerbate the situation, presently at Glenferrie, there is precious little quality player material with whom a new coach can work - there is simply no quick fix.

The reality of our our present day plight goes back over the past decade when Turnbull was thought of as the ants-pants, some kind of recruiting genius. The proof in the pudding reveals he, in such an important position, was an absolute disaster.

 

[Grendel]

What to do?

Exploit the system bigtime.

IF (and at this stage it's still only an 'if') we finish bottom with a priority selection then don't forget to utilise it in BOTH the draft proper and the pre-season draft to target an out of contract player (gun hopefully) from another club, probably one from inter-state wanting to return to Victoria. Personally I'd love to pick up Salopek from the Power (think he'd be on a 2 year contract to this seasons end).

But also weigh up what advantages could be gained by trading the first pick. If it wasn't to be heavily in our favour then under no circumstances even begin to contemplate the trade. From what I am led to believe this year is a 'boon' draft. The last 'boon' draft delivered Judd, Hodge, Ball, Clarke etc. Prior to that there was Riewoldt, Kosi etc.

Learn that long term that if you could get two of that sort of class from the one draft you'd be doing well.

Make a tough stance with the list. Even on the likes of Hay. If he's going to be continually under an injury cloud, weigh up what a WC might offer for him and if it's a good deal (example a Wirrupunda and early draft choice) then give it due consideration.

Delist/trade the fleet of mid-sized taggers we have. Bring in/target recruits with disposal skills off both sides of the body, preferably with a bit of height to them as well.

Be honest in all dept's of the club as to performance. I.e the coach regardless of how good and decent (and of that there is NO doubting) man he is, has failed to deliver to a standard that must be, not should be, but MUST be expected at this level of competition. Same to with any assitants and other personal within that structure.

There needs to be a massive overhaul of the way the HFC goes about it's functioning as a football club.

It's not going to be a pleasant task but if were every going to move on from the position we currently find ourselves in then it has to be done and personal feelings need to be put aside while doing so.

 

[Hawk_2004]

We must get Mark Harvey or Gary O'Donnell , no other ex players

 

[Bockchoy67]

As another Crows supporter, I just happened to notice something side about the fact Schwab should have gone last year.

Remember last year, Hawthorn won 11 or something of your last 12 games. You were unlucky not to make the finals. And now you're asking for Schwab's head.

I went to the game, and it was the players that let you down. Players like Picione, Beaumont, Lonie, Tallis, Ries and Holland. These guys are the ones letting you down. It's not entirely the coaches fault. It's the players.

If it were up to me, I'd be playing the likes of Williams and Brennan. I noticed Brennan has been best player for Box Hill twice in the last few weeks. Surely he should be getting a go by now?

You'd be surprised how much young kids take their oppirtunities with two hands. At least you know they'll give their all.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by Bockchoy67
If it were up to me, I'd be playing the likes of Williams and Brennan. I noticed Brennan has been best player for Box Hill twice in the last few weeks. Surely he should be getting a go by now?

You'd be surprised how much young kids take their oppirtunities with two hands. At least you know they'll give their all.

well a lot of people on here said brennan had a real bad season last year, the coaching staff may want him to hold him back because of that, but yeah he should be called up, i don't know why sewell got dropped, he should of being kept.

 

[Yardie]

Originally posted by Bockchoy67
As another Crows supporter, I just happened to notice something side about the fact Schwab should have gone last year.

Remember last year, Hawthorn won 11 or something of your last 12 games. You were unlucky not to make the finals. And now you're asking for Schwab's head.

1995 - 15th - Knights
1996 - 8th - Judge
1997 - 15th - Judge
1998 - 13th - Judge
1999 - 9th - Judge
2000 - 8th - Schwab
2001 - 6th - Schwab (and nearly made a Grand Final)
2002 - 10th - Schwab
2003 - 9th - Schwab
2004 - ???

So Schwab took a team that Ken Judge built nearly to a Grand Final. Then he has done nothing with it. IMO after 2001 we should have made the finals for the next 3-4 years by building on the performances of 2000 and 2001 and with smart recruiting. But this did not happen.

 

[Gary Shadforth]

Originally posted by feher
gary edit your post and do the following:

Where you have [B just add ] right after the B and you will have a perfect quote

Apology, feher, I was a bit ****ed - drowned my sorrows after Saturday's disaster.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by Gary Shadforth
Apology, feher, I was a bit ****ed - drowned my sorrows after Saturday's disaster.

no need to apologies, i just thought you still had problems quoting post, so i thought i would try and help out.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by Yardie
So Schwab took a team that Ken Judge built nearly to a Grand Final. Then he has done nothing with it. IMO after 2001 we should have made the finals for the next 3-4 years by building on the performances of 2000 and 2001 and with smart recruiting. But this did not happen.

well we did lose mcpharlan, croad wasn't anywhere the lose of mcpharlan.

 

[Yardie]

Originally posted by feher
well we did lose mcpharlan, croad wasn't anywhere the lose of mcpharlan.

It's a shame that McPharlin left the club and we were forced to trade him. But we did the "right" thing and sent him back home for nothing when we should have demanded something or sent him to the draft.

 

[feher]

Originally posted by Yardie
It's a shame that McPharlin left the club and we were forced to trade him. But we did the "right" thing and sent him back home for nothing when we should have demanded something or sent him to the draft.

yardie he was going to be a docker no matter what, the dockers had the first pick in the pre-season draft that year, the only thing we could have done is offered him say 2 x more money then the dockers.

 

[Yardie]

Originally posted by feher
yardie he was going to be a docker no matter what, the dockers had the first pick in the pre-season draft that year, the only thing we could have done is offered him say 2 x more money then the dockers.

Yeah, I know. But we should have pushed for something for him. Anything. Or let the Dockers use their pick instead of getting something for free. No need for us to help another team out. (Can't remember the deal exactly but should have asked for something extra if possible).

 

[feher]

Originally posted by Yardie
Yeah, I know. But we should have pushed for something for him. Anything. Or let the Dockers use their pick instead of getting something for free. No need for us to help another team out. (Can't remember the deal exactly but should have asked for something extra if possible).

we will never truely know what happens behind the scenes, but the dockers were by all reports quiet strong, we wanted their number 1 pick, but they were only willing to offer up their number 2 pick for croad (well that was reported), they wanted mcpharlan + croad for their number 1 pick. We got for memory their 2nd and 3rd picks as well. Okay we wasted one of those picks but we still did pretty well out of it, certainly i wouldn't say we won the trade, but under the circumstance did well enough.

 

[The Candy Man]

What really irks me about the McPharlin situation is the Hawks have often been accused of very poor recruiting. To a degree I concur with this.

However, when we drafted McPharlin, the other 15 clubs were totally surprised. It was an inspired piece of recruiting which should have paid enormous dividends for the Hawks.

If it wasn't for the Hawks, he wouldn't have been drafted that year as nobody else knew who he was. How does he repay us? With a handfull of mediocre games then sooking off back to WA just when he is ready to realise his potential.

Hawks have been stung many times by interstate recruits, as have other clubs. There should be some rule where a top 10 draft pick has to play 100 games for a club or until 25 years of age, something like that.

Failing that, if the club can give the player a reasonable offer to stay, one that matches another club, he should be obligated to remain with that club.

What's the use in having an early pick if the player walks out after 3 years? The draft system is a joke. It is meant to even the competition, but look at the monster it has created.

 

[Yardie]

Originally posted by feher
we will never truely know what happens behind the scenes, but the dockers were by all reports quiet strong, we wanted their number 1 pick, but they were only willing to offer up their number 2 pick for croad (well that was reported), they wanted mcpharlan + croad for their number 1 pick. We got for memory their 2nd and 3rd picks as well. Okay we wasted one of those picks but we still did pretty well out of it, certainly i wouldn't say we won the trade, but under the circumstance did well enough.

Wasn't sure of the complete deal. That sounds reasonable to me and well thought out. But do agree with Candy Man's post above.